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Subject: Re: Oldies but goodies


Author:
Leo Kerr
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Date Posted: 20:13:55 03/31/15 Tue
In reply to: Wes 's message, "Oldies but goodies" on 11:50:21 03/31/15 Tue

on the B-52, it's also kind of remarkable how durable they are - in a more active sense. This is from memory of something I saw several years ago, but the B-52 on display at the Air Force Museum in Dayton was shot-up pretty bad over Vietnam. Hit by a SAM, or something like that. Limped back home, got repaired, and continued to fly missions over North Vietnam.

Kind of incredible (actually, the detailed damage assessment, including Engines #1 and #3 being scrap, are at the Museum's web-site.. http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=294 )

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Author:
bigolal
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Date Posted: 08:57:29 04/01/15 Wed

>on the B-52, it's also kind of remarkable how durable
>they are - in a more active sense. This is from memory
>of something I saw several years ago, but the B-52 on
>display at the Air Force Museum in Dayton was shot-up
>pretty bad over Vietnam. Hit by a SAM, or something
>like that. Limped back home, got repaired, and
>continued to fly missions over North Vietnam.
>
>Kind of incredible (actually, the detailed damage
>assessment, including Engines #1 and #3 being scrap,
>are at the Museum's web-site.. >target=_blank
>href="http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/facts
>heet.asp?id=294">http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/facts
>heets/factsheet.asp?id=294
)

For those of us on the west coast (US), March Field Air Museum in Riverside CA has a wonderful collection of aircraft on display, including a B52D which is currently under restoration. They also have vast collections of aircraft related materials. It's well worth a visit
[> [> Subject: Re: Oldies but goodies


Author:
mike
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Date Posted: 22:40:43 04/02/15 Thu

I love warbirds of almost any age. When I graduated from Basic in 1969 they landed a DC-3 on the parade field at Ft. Polk in Louisiana and Trans Texas Airways, (nicknamed tree top airways) flew us to our new school at Ft. Walters, Texas. 20 some years later I saw several C-47s on the airfield in Istanbul that looked to still be in use.

When I was in Japan in 1980 the Blue Impulse, Japan's version of the Blue Angels, was still flying F-86 Sabre jets.

Some designs are just too good to die.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Oldies but goodies


Author:
wexwiz543
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Date Posted: 23:43:51 04/02/15 Thu

>I love warbirds of almost any age. When I graduated
>from Basic in 1969 they landed a DC-3 on the parade
>field at Ft. Polk in Louisiana and Trans Texas
>Airways, (nicknamed tree top airways) flew us to our
>new school at Ft. Walters, Texas. 20 some years later
>I saw several C-47s on the airfield in Istanbul that
>looked to still be in use.
>
>When I was in Japan in 1980 the Blue Impulse, Japan's
>version of the Blue Angels, was still flying F-86
>Sabre jets.
>
>Some designs are just too good to die.

Another is the Boeing 737 still the work horse of many airlines. One of the few jets that can land on a gravel runway.

Wex
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Author:
Jon
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Date Posted: 21:56:15 04/05/15 Sun

>Another is the Boeing 737 still the work horse of many
>airlines. One of the few jets that can land on a
>gravel runway.

Possibly answering my own question: high mounted engine intakes are less able to inhale debris (pebbles or small rocks) that would damage the turbine blades?

Jon
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Author:
Lew
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Date Posted: 00:24:37 04/06/15 Mon

>>Another is the Boeing 737 still the work horse of many
>>airlines. One of the few jets that can land on a
>>gravel runway.
>
>Possibly answering my own question: high mounted
>engine intakes are less able to inhale debris (pebbles
>or small rocks) that would damage the turbine blades?
>
>Jon

The engines on the 737 hang under the wings. If it indeed is certified to use gravel runways there must be features Boeing designed in to make it possible.

Lew
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Author:
Mike
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Date Posted: 10:33:34 04/06/15 Mon

>>>Another is the Boeing 737 still the work horse of
>many
>>>airlines. One of the few jets that can land on a
>>>gravel runway.
>>
>>Possibly answering my own question: high mounted
>>engine intakes are less able to inhale debris (pebbles
>>or small rocks) that would damage the turbine blades?
>>
>>Jon
>
>The engines on the 737 hang under the wings. If it
>indeed is certified to use gravel runways there must
>be features Boeing designed in to make it possible.
>
>Lew

He was probably thinking of the 727, which has the engines high up on the tail of the aircraft.
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Author:
Jon
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Date Posted: 22:15:49 04/06/15 Mon

>>>>Another is the Boeing 737 still the work horse of
>>many
>>>>airlines. One of the few jets that can land on a
>>>>gravel runway.
>>>
>>>Possibly answering my own question: high mounted
>>>engine intakes are less able to inhale debris
>(pebbles
>>>or small rocks) that would damage the turbine blades?
>>>
>>>Jon
>>
>>The engines on the 737 hang under the wings. If it
>>indeed is certified to use gravel runways there must
>>be features Boeing designed in to make it possible.
>>
>>Lew
>
>He was probably thinking of the 727, which has the
>engines high up on the tail of the aircraft.

I was thinking of the 727.

Silly me, the 737 is dual engined, underslung from the wings.
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Author:
wexwiz543
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Date Posted: 10:41:06 04/06/15 Mon

>>>Another is the Boeing 737 still the work horse of
>many
>>>airlines. One of the few jets that can land on a
>>>gravel runway.
>>
>>Possibly answering my own question: high mounted
>>engine intakes are less able to inhale debris (pebbles
>>or small rocks) that would damage the turbine blades?
>>
>>Jon
>

There is a gravel kit option for the B737. See link below

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravelkit

wex
>The engines on the 737 hang under the wings. If it
>indeed is certified to use gravel runways there must
>be features Boeing designed in to make it possible.
>
>Lew
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Author:
wexwiz543
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Date Posted: 09:47:14 04/16/15 Thu

>>>>Another is the Boeing 737 still the work horse of
>>many
>>>>airlines. One of the few jets that can land on a
>>>>gravel runway.
>>>
>>>Possibly answering my own question: high mounted
>>>engine intakes are less able to inhale debris
>(pebbles
>>>or small rocks) that would damage the turbine blades?
>>>
>>>Jon

More info on the 737 still being built

https://www.youtube.com/user/Boeing?v=jfSNj8HB_WI

Wex
>>
>
>There is a gravel kit option for the B737. See link
>below
>
> >href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravelkit">http://en
>.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravelkit

>
>wex
>>The engines on the 737 hang under the wings. If it
>>indeed is certified to use gravel runways there must
>>be features Boeing designed in to make it possible.
>>
>>Lew


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