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Subject: Re: Census and other Fun Author: Jim Moore [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 01:57:54 04/13/12 Fri In reply to: Dmitri 's message, "Re: Census and other Fun" on 13:13:00 04/03/12 Tue >> >>Finally, I recently read that the Navahos wanted to >>build a theme park at Marble Canyon adjacent to the >>Grand Canyon National Park. I hope it doesn't mess up >>the scenic beauty. > >Boyd, from the reports I've seen, the park they're >talking about in "Marble Canyon" is, I think, just >downstream of where the Little Colorado River flows in >on river right (the stream comes up from the south) 62 >miles downstream of Lee's Ferry. This would >theoretically be within the actual Grand Canyon, not >Marble Canyon, and within the Grand Canyon National >Park, though there is a boundary dispute going on, of >course. > >Most of the Navajo park would be up on the rim. The >part most detrimental to the Canyon experience itself >is of an aerial tram from the rim to the bottom near >the river. I'm unclear as to exact details, but they >seem to indicate that tram riders could walk to within >about a quarter mile of the mouth of the Little >Colorado. I don't know if they could actually get >there. > >In the past they have frowned on non Indians visiting >this area because it is considered a "sacred site" >where salt seeps are located. The seeps, or some of >them, can be seen from the river. Saltwater drips out >of the rock layers and leaves small "icicles" of salt >hanging from cliff overhangs. I guess being able to >charge (dearly?) for the privilege of non Indian >visitation changes things. > >No telling yet what the actual impact would be. There >is lots of travel through the park already, some 250 >people can be launched every day from Lee's Ferry >during the busy part of the rafting season, so it is >NOT untrammeled. This addition would be more >localized and concentrated. I haven't seen the actual >proposal and don't know exactly where the bottom of >the tram actually ends, or how far people can get from >there. Or if the Navajo Tribe plans to build a >walkway that would allow their tram riders access to >the Little Colorado River mouth. > >Dmitri Here is an artist rendering http://azdailysun.com/grand-canyon-navajos/image_e883ab1e-98c7-5ba7-865d-6b561c44a1d4.html [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Census and other Fun Author: Jim Moore [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 02:31:58 04/13/12 Fri >>> >>>Finally, I recently read that the Navahos wanted to >>>build a theme park at Marble Canyon adjacent to the >>>Grand Canyon National Park. I hope it doesn't mess up >>>the scenic beauty. >> >>Boyd, from the reports I've seen, the park they're >>talking about in "Marble Canyon" is, I think, just >>downstream of where the Little Colorado River flows in >>on river right (the stream comes up from the south) 62 >>miles downstream of Lee's Ferry. This would >>theoretically be within the actual Grand Canyon, not >>Marble Canyon, and within the Grand Canyon National >>Park, though there is a boundary dispute going on, of >>course. >> >>Most of the Navajo park would be up on the rim. The >>part most detrimental to the Canyon experience itself >>is of an aerial tram from the rim to the bottom near >>the river. I'm unclear as to exact details, but they >>seem to indicate that tram riders could walk to within >>about a quarter mile of the mouth of the Little >>Colorado. I don't know if they could actually get >>there. >> >>In the past they have frowned on non Indians visiting >>this area because it is considered a "sacred site" >>where salt seeps are located. The seeps, or some of >>them, can be seen from the river. Saltwater drips out >>of the rock layers and leaves small "icicles" of salt >>hanging from cliff overhangs. I guess being able to >>charge (dearly?) for the privilege of non Indian >>visitation changes things. >> >>No telling yet what the actual impact would be. There >>is lots of travel through the park already, some 250 >>people can be launched every day from Lee's Ferry >>during the busy part of the rafting season, so it is >>NOT untrammeled. This addition would be more >>localized and concentrated. I haven't seen the actual >>proposal and don't know exactly where the bottom of >>the tram actually ends, or how far people can get from >>there. Or if the Navajo Tribe plans to build a >>walkway that would allow their tram riders access to >>the Little Colorado River mouth. >> >>Dmitri >Here is an artist rendering >http://azdailysun.com/grand-canyon-navajos/image_e883ab >1e-98c7-5ba7-865d-6b561c44a1d4.html And a pretty good article http://azdailysun.com/news/local/navajo-nation-wants-to-build-aerial-tram-into-canyon/article_417cbe2f-0222-5473-b1b5-4d6d67c858b3.html Jim M [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Census and other Fun Author: Jim Moore [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 02:34:53 04/13/12 Fri >>>> >>>>Finally, I recently read that the Navahos wanted to >>>>build a theme park at Marble Canyon adjacent to the >>>>Grand Canyon National Park. I hope it doesn't mess >up >>>>the scenic beauty. >>> >>>Boyd, from the reports I've seen, the park they're >>>talking about in "Marble Canyon" is, I think, just >>>downstream of where the Little Colorado River flows >in >>>on river right (the stream comes up from the south) >62 >>>miles downstream of Lee's Ferry. This would >>>theoretically be within the actual Grand Canyon, not >>>Marble Canyon, and within the Grand Canyon National >>>Park, though there is a boundary dispute going on, of >>>course. >>> >>>Most of the Navajo park would be up on the rim. The >>>part most detrimental to the Canyon experience itself >>>is of an aerial tram from the rim to the bottom near >>>the river. I'm unclear as to exact details, but they >>>seem to indicate that tram riders could walk to >within >>>about a quarter mile of the mouth of the Little >>>Colorado. I don't know if they could actually get >>>there. >>> >>>In the past they have frowned on non Indians visiting >>>this area because it is considered a "sacred site" >>>where salt seeps are located. The seeps, or some of >>>them, can be seen from the river. Saltwater drips >out >>>of the rock layers and leaves small "icicles" of salt >>>hanging from cliff overhangs. I guess being able to >>>charge (dearly?) for the privilege of non Indian >>>visitation changes things. >>> >>>No telling yet what the actual impact would be. >There >>>is lots of travel through the park already, some 250 >>>people can be launched every day from Lee's Ferry >>>during the busy part of the rafting season, so it is >>>NOT untrammeled. This addition would be more >>>localized and concentrated. I haven't seen the >actual >>>proposal and don't know exactly where the bottom of >>>the tram actually ends, or how far people can get >from >>>there. Or if the Navajo Tribe plans to build a >>>walkway that would allow their tram riders access to >>>the Little Colorado River mouth. >>> >>>Dmitri >>Here is an artist rendering >>http://azdailysun.com/grand-canyon-navajos/image_e883a >b >>1e-98c7-5ba7-865d-6b561c44a1d4.html >And a pretty good article >http://azdailysun.com/news/local/navajo-nation-wants-to >-build-aerial-tram-into-canyon/article_417cbe2f-0222-54 >73-b1b5-4d6d67c858b3.html > >Jim M Sorry, this is the article I meant http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2012/03/24/20120324navajos-eyes-grand-canyon-development.html Jim M [ Post a Reply to This Message ]