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Subject: Re: Ethics (Minor Spoiler)


Author:
howard
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Date Posted: 05:06:23 02/17/11 Thu
In reply to: Dmitri 's message, "Re: Ethics (Minor Spoiler)" on 08:40:14 02/16/11 Wed

I hear you. When I talked about developing a relationship, I meant a romantic one, not as friends, workmates, or anything else. Sorry if I was ambiguous.
-- howard


>I can accept your points as an opinion, but don't
>necessarily agree with all of them.
>
>I can agree to disagree. I can agree about the
>"developing a relationship", but how much of a
>relationship? How much of one matters? It will be
>different to different people, obviously. Some
>(most?) of Eve's relationships will be quite short,
>others might be longer. Simple, life-long friend,
>intimate or otherwise, might qualify? The one she's
>going to marry certainly does, at least to me.
>
>Eve's husband is with her at the reunion where this
>story is being told. He obviously knows about it and
>doesn't have any problem with the situation. My wife
>and I have gay friends. Most people do, and I'm sure
>at least some don't know it. It was not long after I
>met one lesbian couple that I figured out their
>relationship, having known a similar one previously.
>I did not tell others in our common circle of friends.
> After someone else figured it out, many people in
>that group worried about it for a bit. It has ceased
>to become a problem. This was 20 years ago. There
>might be newer people in the group who don't know.
>I've not mentioned it to anyone. I don't think it
>matters.
>
>I'm not sure I agree with the "what you see is what
>you get", issue you bring up, though. How many of us
>really know our partners? I've been married almost 35
>years to the same woman. She doesn't surprise me now
>as often as she used to, but she still does sometimes.
> I'm a carnivore, my wife could be a vegetarian (but
>isn't). This came up more than a dozen years into our
>marriage. We have friends who are vegetarians. One
>couple is mixed in that he's a carnivore like me, and
>she's a total vegetarian. She's not to the point of
>vegan, though still a bit more obnoxious about the
>issue than I like.
>
>My wife doesn't have any that I can't hack, but how
>about a sudden new interest or hobby? I'm sure there
>are some, but I can't think of anything of the sort
>that would repel me.
>
>It's not happened to me, but I've had friends,
>acquaintances, co-workers, etc. complain about the
>nympho they married clamping on the chastity belt
>after the wedding or maybe the first kid. Or the deal
>before marriage was no kids, but the wife deliberately
>had them anyway.
>
>We'll have to see how much of this sort of thing Wes
>brings up in further installments of the story.
>
>Thanks for contributing, Howard. Anyone else?
>
>Dimitri
>
>>I think Eve could probably have a first date, maybe
>>even a second, with a male, but in my opinion she
>>would have to disclose things fairly quickly. I don't
>>think it's fair to develop a relationship with another
>>person without disclosing something so fundamental.
>>Even if the partner can't tell, it seems to me that
>>not speaking up is stringing him along because what
>>you see isn't what you get.
>>
>>The main point here, as I see it, is not that the date
>>partner doesn't have the information (like the
>>religion question that Dmitry brings up, same goes for
>>political views and other stuff - if it's important to
>>the partner then he'll make sure to find out up
>>front), the point is that information has been
>>manipulated so that the date partner gets a
>>deliberately wrong impression.
>>
>>My 2 cents.
>>
>>-- howard.
>>

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Author:
Dmitri
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Date Posted: 21:31:27 02/17/11 Thu

>I hear you. When I talked about developing a
>relationship, I meant a romantic one, not as friends,
>workmates, or anything else. Sorry if I was ambiguous.
>-- howard

Don't appologize, no need to be sorry. Much of this is me assuming...

In the interest of exploring this issue further and hopefully getting more participation here, does every guy go into every "relationship" with a girl with solely the intention of "ultimate intimacy," even knowing that it's seldom going to happen? Does every girl do the same?

It certainly didn't work that way for me. I'm sure there are guys out there, them "swave and deboner" types, with better pick-up lines than I could ever think to come up with, better delivery, and a better chance at home runs than I ever accomplished, not that I thought I ever tried real hard. I was looking for a girl I thought I could live with for the rest of my life rather than just physical attributes or abilities. And I knew that I was no real prize. I didn't mind spending time with girls, learning idiosyncracies before worrying about sexual compatibility. But that was me. I'm sure there are guys who at least want to check out what they're like in the sack first, and then test the other things later.

Of course, I always wondered as to the chances, and I know there were probably at least some I didn't take that would have gotten me to home plate, but I'll never know as they were long ago, now, not to mention far away.

How many readers here basically picked out a girl, first try, and married her? Or girl readers, how about you, too, picking out a guy? Any like me who made friends with a girl, often through others with no intention of romanticisim at first (or even second?), and later married her? Hell, I didn't even like the girl I married at first. I thought she was a real pain in the kiester for more than a while.

Sort of an informal poll here, I guess.

Thanks,

Dmitri
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Author:
howard
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Date Posted: 01:47:21 02/18/11 Fri

I have always had lots of female friends, even close ones, with no romantic interest at all. Still do, with my wife's full knowledge.


>>I hear you. When I talked about developing a
>>relationship, I meant a romantic one, not as friends,
>>workmates, or anything else. Sorry if I was ambiguous.
>>-- howard
>
>Don't appologize, no need to be sorry. Much of this
>is me assuming...
>
>In the interest of exploring this issue further and
>hopefully getting more participation here, does every
>guy go into every "relationship" with a girl with
>solely the intention of "ultimate intimacy," even
>knowing that it's seldom going to happen? Does every
>girl do the same?
>
>It certainly didn't work that way for me. I'm sure
>there are guys out there, them "swave and deboner"
>types, with better pick-up lines than I could ever
>think to come up with, better delivery, and a better
>chance at home runs than I ever accomplished, not that
>I thought I ever tried real hard. I was looking for a
>girl I thought I could live with for the rest of my
>life rather than just physical attributes or
>abilities. And I knew that I was no real prize. I
>didn't mind spending time with girls, learning
>idiosyncracies before worrying about sexual
>compatibility. But that was me. I'm sure there are
>guys who at least want to check out what they're like
>in the sack first, and then test the other things
>later.
>
>Of course, I always wondered as to the chances, and I
>know there were probably at least some I didn't take
>that would have gotten me to home plate, but I'll
>never know as they were long ago, now, not to mention
>far away.
>
>How many readers here basically picked out a girl,
>first try, and married her? Or girl readers, how
>about you, too, picking out a guy? Any like me who
>made friends with a girl, often through others with no
>intention of romanticisim at first (or even second?),
>and later married her? Hell, I didn't even like the
>girl I married at first. I thought she was a real
>pain in the kiester for more than a while.
>
>Sort of an informal poll here, I guess.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dmitri
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Author:
Mocha1120
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Date Posted: 21:42:39 02/17/11 Thu

I think that when the relationship reaches the point where Eve and her partner are having strong enough feelings that they want to make love, then she should tell him. Up to that point they are developing a relationship, who the people in high school thought she was is not important.

Once Eve and the man she is dating are ready to move their relationship to a sexual plane, it is time to tell him. More than likely this will only happen one or two times prior to Eve discovering someone she wants to marry.

I would imagine with her history Eve will want to move slowly on any relationship. Somehow I can't see Eve ever engaging in casual sex, simply because of the potential emotional problems.

Mocha


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