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Subject: Re: A Real Villain Author: Bismark [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 12:09:53 08/09/12 Thu In reply to: Boyd Percy 's message, "A Real Villain" on 23:13:44 08/07/12 Tue I have been using Firefox for about 5 years. It is much better than IE and almost everything works. I have one commercial web site that has a small problem when it generates .pdf files to send me. Otherwise, no problems. Also, there are so many add-on's that allow me to do so much more than IE. Tabs work much better etc. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> Subject: Re: A Real Villain Author: bytemangler [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:43:23 08/09/12 Thu Well, let's see who else comes anywhere near close to Joel Lancaster. Marsha (square 1) The hockey players (dreamwalker) Delmer (cattail) Tanisha's brother (alone together) The jerks in school with Dennis (Mirror) The crooks behind Defenders of Gaea; also the sleazy prof Any others? Joel still tops them all, imho [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: A Real Villain Author: bytemangler [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:44:43 08/09/12 Thu >The hockey players (dreamwalker) Make that dawnwalker.... [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: A Real Villain Author: bytemangler [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:31:50 08/10/12 Fri Also Frank Oldfield (Nashville-Murray) - Blue Beauty. None of these (except those responsible for the WTC) match Joel, imho [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: A Real Villain Author: Javahead [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:04:31 08/14/12 Tue Unlike Joel (yet), Frank reformed. He sent a sincere apology to Jennifer from jail, and is referred (by implication, not name) much later as an old Nashville connection of Jennifer's. Trey was doing sound engineering on Bluegrass music Frank had recorded at music festivals, if I recall correctly. Of course, he was never a total villain. We saw a little of Frank's viewpoint, and his repentance. We've never seen Joel from the inside, and I have little desire to do so. Given his actions, he's very lucky Randy didn't follow through on the "bridge" threat. And it wouldn't have seemed any more than mildly excessive if he had. >Also Frank Oldfield (Nashville-Murray) - Blue Beauty. > >None of these (except those responsible for the WTC) >match Joel, imho [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: A Real Villain Author: Leo Kerr [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:15:52 08/14/12 Tue >We've never seen Joel from the inside, and I have >little desire to do so. Given his actions, he's very >lucky Randy didn't follow through on the "bridge" >threat. And it wouldn't have seemed any more than >mildly excessive if he had. the problem I always had with the bridge threat was, depending on the size of the abutments, wouldn't it put the long-term structural integrity of the concrete at risk? While it's practical from a short-term objective, it wouldn't look good for Clark Construction for the long-term... [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: A Real Villain Author: Rob [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:39:47 08/14/12 Tue > >>We've never seen Joel from the inside, and I have >>little desire to do so. Given his actions, he's very >>lucky Randy didn't follow through on the "bridge" >>threat. And it wouldn't have seemed any more than >>mildly excessive if he had. > > >the problem I always had with the bridge threat was, >depending on the size of the abutments, wouldn't it >put the long-term structural integrity of the concrete >at risk? While it's practical from a short-term >objective, it wouldn't look good for Clark >Construction for the long-term... We did see a little bit into his mind in chapter 27. The impression I got was the that the only "good" quality Joel had was that he was no hypocrite (he was who we thought he was.) If Randy had used the "bridge" threat then the hole made for the abutment that became Joel's final resting place would be a lot larger than the others - he would make sure of that. Rob [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: A Real Villain Author: Deadly Ernest [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 02:20:19 08/15/12 Wed > >>We've never seen Joel from the inside, and I have >>little desire to do so. Given his actions, he's very >>lucky Randy didn't follow through on the "bridge" >>threat. And it wouldn't have seemed any more than >>mildly excessive if he had. > > >the problem I always had with the bridge threat was, >depending on the size of the abutments, wouldn't it >put the long-term structural integrity of the concrete >at risk? While it's practical from a short-term >objective, it wouldn't look good for Clark >Construction for the long-term... Not if done right, they just put in extra reinforcing than is normally required. The extra strength makes up for Joel. Randy could even spread him about by cutting in up a bit. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: A Real Villain Author: Javahead [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:13:20 08/16/12 Thu >> >>>We've never seen Joel from the inside, and I have >>>little desire to do so. Given his actions, he's very >>>lucky Randy didn't follow through on the "bridge" >>>threat. And it wouldn't have seemed any more than >>>mildly excessive if he had. >> >> >>the problem I always had with the bridge threat was, >>depending on the size of the abutments, wouldn't it >>put the long-term structural integrity of the concrete >>at risk? While it's practical from a short-term >>objective, it wouldn't look good for Clark >>Construction for the long-term... > > >Not if done right, they just put in extra reinforcing >than is normally required. The extra strength makes up >for Joel. Randy could even spread him about by cutting >in up a bit. I find the mental image of Randy using a machete or saw to dismember his brother-in-law . . . disturbing. As if Wes had been possessed by Steven King after a night of heavy drinking while watching "Psycho". Not that it would be *undeserved*, mind you. But it would be hard to view Randy in quite the same way again. I'd be worrying about him giving the same treatment to the troublesome school inspector, rent-seeking union reps, perhaps helping Crystal dispose of Tanisha's jerk brother . . . [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: A Real Villain Author: sam [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:23:04 08/16/12 Thu >I find the mental image of Randy using a machete or >saw to dismember his brother-in-law . . . disturbing. >As if Wes had been possessed by Steven King after a >night of heavy drinking while watching "Psycho". > >Not that it would be *undeserved*, mind you. But it >would be hard to view Randy in quite the same way >again. I'd be worrying about him giving the same >treatment to the troublesome school inspector, >rent-seeking union reps, perhaps helping Crystal >dispose of Tanisha's jerk brother . . . I can see fanfiction with alternate endings of Dawnwalker, Growing Together, etc. Of course, that would leave no place for redemption of Pete Chladek and Nanci, as they would all be resting in anonymous peace... [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: A Real Villain Author: Rob [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:26:59 08/24/12 Fri >I can see fanfiction with alternate endings of >Dawnwalker, Growing Together, etc. Of course, that >would leave no place for redemption of Pete Chladek >and Nanci, as they would all be resting in anonymous >peace... Speaking of Pete, I can't see him enjoying a Canyon Tours trip - but I can see him moving closer to his kids and grandkids after he retires. Nanci I always thought of as just being on the extreme edge of an otherwise good kid after they first leave their nest. Pete was seen as closer to a villain but still was more towards "nuts" than evil in my opinion (after Dawnwalker - we saw why in Growing together.) Rob [ Post a Reply to This Message ]