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Subject: Pass Christian, MS

Author:
Boyd Percy

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Date Posted: 21:28:27 03/19/13 Tue

I just noticed on the Travel Yahoo site a poll about the most popular small towns for 2013. Bay St Louis,MS and Gulf Shores,AL were on the list. Both have about 9,000 residents. Bay St Louis is next door to Pass Christian and Gulf Shores is about 40 miles to the East. Both were hit hard by Katrina and both have come back well. Many folks thought Mississippi did a better and faster of restoration than New Orleans and Louisiana. Of course, the size factor may have something to do about that.

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[> Subject: Re: Pass Christian, MS

Author:
Javahead
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Date Posted: 15:13:47 03/20/13 Wed

New Orleans was handicapped by it's local government, I believe. They have not been noted for either efficiency or rigorous honesty. But given that voters in New Orleans keep electing venal hacks I've reluctantly come to the conclusion that's what they prefer.

It wouldn't bother me so much if the rest of us weren't on the hook to bail them out whenever something goes wrong due to their lack of performance (like the levees that got almost no maintenance because the money was siphoned off to political cronies).

Not that Alabama or Mississippi are always considered paragons of governmental efficiency. But New Orleans has been famous for its less-than-pellucid government for generations.

>I just noticed on the Travel Yahoo site a poll about
>the most popular small towns for 2013. Bay St Louis,MS
>and Gulf Shores,AL were on the list. Both have about
>9,000 residents. Bay St Louis is next door to Pass
>Christian and Gulf Shores is about 40 miles to the
>East. Both were hit hard by Katrina and both have come
>back well. Many folks thought Mississippi did a better
>and faster of restoration than New Orleans and
>Louisiana. Of course, the size factor may have
>something to do about that.

[> [> Subject: Re: Pass Christian, MS

Author:
Arthur Keith
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Date Posted: 12:26:42 03/22/13 Fri

Orleans and Jefferson Parish, the local government that includes the city of New Orleans, at one time had numerous pumping stations in order to keep the water out, the only problems was that half of the large pumps were not hooked up. As you said, the money was spend on paper but somehow never made it to the people who were supposed to do the work. It is a little better today, but I still remember one of the US representatives who ended up in federal prison for voter fraud. He won the election by having dead people vote in alphabetical order. Not too smart.

>New Orleans was handicapped by it's local government,
>I believe. They have not been noted for either
>efficiency or rigorous honesty. But given that voters
>in New Orleans keep electing venal hacks I've
>reluctantly come to the conclusion that's what they
>prefer.
>
>It wouldn't bother me so much if the rest of us
>weren't on the hook to bail them out whenever
>something goes wrong due to their lack of performance
>(like the levees that got almost no maintenance
>because the money was siphoned off to political
>cronies).
>
>Not that Alabama or Mississippi are always considered
>paragons of governmental efficiency. But New Orleans
>has been famous for its less-than-pellucid government
>for generations.
>
>>I just noticed on the Travel Yahoo site a poll about
>>the most popular small towns for 2013. Bay St Louis,MS
>>and Gulf Shores,AL were on the list. Both have about
>>9,000 residents. Bay St Louis is next door to Pass
>>Christian and Gulf Shores is about 40 miles to the
>>East. Both were hit hard by Katrina and both have come
>>back well. Many folks thought Mississippi did a better
>>and faster of restoration than New Orleans and
>>Louisiana. Of course, the size factor may have
>>something to do about that.

[> Subject: Re: Pass Christian, MS

Author:
Jim Scott
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Date Posted: 21:41:17 03/26/13 Tue

I wonder if any of this story's readers know what the labor laws in Mississippi are for workers or companies from out of state? Even after a tornado or hurricane in Florida they would be told unless they were licensed ahead of time by Florida they would be unable to do anything anywhere except on Federal property where Federal laws are in force. Even Florida residents have a short time to start the repairs themselves before the house is condemned for occupation and then only a Florida licensed professional can make the repairs.

>I just noticed on the Travel Yahoo site a poll about
>the most popular small towns for 2013. Bay St Louis,MS
>and Gulf Shores,AL were on the list. Both have about
>9,000 residents. Bay St Louis is next door to Pass
>Christian and Gulf Shores is about 40 miles to the
>East. Both were hit hard by Katrina and both have come
>back well. Many folks thought Mississippi did a better
>and faster of restoration than New Orleans and
>Louisiana. Of course, the size factor may have
>something to do about that.

[> [> Subject: Re: Pass Christian, MS

Author:
Dmitri
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Date Posted: 17:59:32 03/27/13 Wed

In the house built for Jim's aunt and uncle, "repairs" to a nonexistent structure wouldn't apply, would they? At least not qualify as "repairs." It would be totally new construction. I would think there would be building codes in effect that would have to be met, especially within a municipality.

In actuality there were a lot of people and companies down there after the hurricane doing work. Were there enough enforcers around to do an adequate job of policing the work done? I wasn't there and don't know.

Dmitri

>I wonder if any of this story's readers know what the
>labor laws in Mississippi are for workers or companies
>from out of state? Even after a tornado or hurricane
>in Florida they would be told unless they were
>licensed ahead of time by Florida they would be unable
>to do anything anywhere except on Federal property
>where Federal laws are in force. Even Florida
>residents have a short time to start the repairs
>themselves before the house is condemned for
>occupation and then only a Florida licensed
>professional can make the repairs.
>

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Pass Christian, MS

Author:
Arthur Keith
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Date Posted: 19:58:55 03/28/13 Thu

>In the house built for Jim's aunt and uncle, "repairs"
>to a nonexistent structure wouldn't apply, would they?
> At least not qualify as "repairs." It would be
>totally new construction. I would think there would
>be building codes in effect that would have to be met,
>especially within a municipality.
>
A lot depends on the county in which you would want to work. In the one I live, there are very few ordinances and even less enforcements. In those counties with more people, especially on the coast, they are more stringent. But when you have as many volunteers as we had after the hurricane, then you cannot check as well as you do at other times.

>In actuality there were a lot of people and companies
>down there after the hurricane doing work. Were there
>enough enforcers around to do an adequate job of
>policing the work done? I wasn't there and don't
>know.
>
>Dmitri
>
>>I wonder if any of this story's readers know what the
>>labor laws in Mississippi are for workers or companies
>>from out of state? Even after a tornado or hurricane
>>in Florida they would be told unless they were
>>licensed ahead of time by Florida they would be unable
>>to do anything anywhere except on Federal property
>>where Federal laws are in force. Even Florida
>>residents have a short time to start the repairs
>>themselves before the house is condemned for
>>occupation and then only a Florida licensed
>>professional can make the repairs.
>>

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Pass Christian, MS

Author:
Rob
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Date Posted: 21:53:41 03/28/13 Thu

I suspect that there were some building inspectors who would not pay very much attention to sites where the crew appeared to be professionals or if he had checked out previous locations they had worked at.

On the other hand, if there were likely crews that as a result of their lack of "professional appearance" might have gotten more attention than the average group. In this case I would say that the Amish group described here - which also appears in Cattail - would give the same sense of professionalism as the Clark Construction Crew.

Rob

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Pass Christian, MS

Author:
Arthur Keith
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Date Posted: 12:26:55 03/29/13 Fri

But Mississippi does not have a statewide set of codes. Each county sets their own. In 2005, the five gulf counties were forced by the state to adopt certain codes with regard to water and wind damage that were supposedly nationwide, but this was only adopted as an emergency rule and later could be changed.
So, in most of the counties, there as little as far as inspections go. Which is good for property owners here. I can build almost anything I want on my property. the only real fight I do get into is about the utility companies right of way and what I can do on that part of my property. When they give me too hard a time, I just forget about keeping it up and they have to come in and do it themselves. They stop making my life difficult after I get my neighbors to follow me.

>I suspect that there were some building inspectors who
>would not pay very much attention to sites where the
>crew appeared to be professionals or if he had checked
>out previous locations they had worked at.
>
>On the other hand, if there were likely crews that as
>a result of their lack of "professional appearance"
>might have gotten more attention than the average
>group. In this case I would say that the Amish group
>described here - which also appears in Cattail - would
>give the same sense of professionalism as the Clark
>Construction Crew.
>
>Rob