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Subject: Re: Pete Chediak (a raw deal) Author: AllisterH [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 18:45:56 04/02/10 Fri In reply to: GeorgeTheCar 's message, "Re: Pete Chediak (a raw deal)" on 18:19:36 04/02/10 Fri >If Karin could be faulted it might be for, even >subconsciously, settling for less than her dream if >she even knew what her dream was or even was possible. > >On the other hand, the same may be said of Pete. > >In a changing world, all that may have happened is >that the next generation was afforded opportunities >that the previous one didn't have and Crystal was >ready to grab them and in some way her same gender >parent was able to grab a little of it on her >coattails. But what about the fact that she EXPLCITLY tried to raise Crystal as she thought Al would want to be... Indeed, one of the strange things I find about criticisms of Pete is that he's faulted for wanting his daughter to be interested in what HE"S interested in. Say what? It wasn't THAT long ago that a father even trying to encourage his daughter to got to college was considered "nouveau". My main issue with the story is that it comes across as that Crystal could do no wrong and EVERYTHING was Pete's fauly and in real life, I don't see it... For example, if say Crystal and her new preacher husband have a kid and he OR she decides to become an investment banker and work on wall street, I seriously doubt Crystal is going to be happy about it... [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Pete Chediak (a raw deal) Author: GeorgeTheCar [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:34:09 04/02/10 Fri "Explicity" isn't a word that has a lot of resonance in my memory from reading the books. When I get around to rereading those books I will try and catch the reference.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Pete Chediak (a raw deal) Author: mallory [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:41:11 04/02/10 Fri Despite being male and therefore perhaps I should take Pete's part (and to a small degree I can understand him) I'm sorry but no... Karin is portayed as until later years not knowing that Crystal was NOT Pete's daughter (though as time went on she began to wonder). Before and after that she usually tried to do what was best for her daughter. Admirable in my view. You state is that Pete is faulted for wanting his daughter to be interested in what HE'S interested in. Not a problem except his interests seem inceredibly narrow and he comes across as intolerant of any other options. Of course we don't get his viewpoint and I can accept there are two sides (or more) to every story but from the three perspectives we see, he's intolerant and unforgiving. >>> "It wasn't THAT long ago that a father even trying to encourage his daughter to got to college was considered "nouveau"." I do not understand this statement. Pete actively refuses to spend decent money on either of his daughters education. Unlike John's... >>> "My main issue with the story is that it comes across as that Crystal could do no wrong and EVERYTHING was Pete's fauly and in real life, I don't see it..." No of course not everything is Pete's fault. But most of it is. No Crystal isn't perfect and she isn't portrayed that way either. That is what I love about Wes's books. People are human and fallible. On the other hand until meeting her real Father and the reconciliation with her Mother she had a raw deal. How she dealt with it may not have been perfect, but who would?

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Pete Chediak (a raw deal) Author: ralph058 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:22:44 04/03/10 Sat >It wasn't THAT long ago that a father even trying to >encourage his daughter to got to college was >considered "nouveau". I have a problem with this statement. When I graduated from high school fifty years ago, it was pretty common for fathers to support their daughters going on to college. It was a very small rural town, pretty much like the area of the stories. Most of the better off girls from the Chicago area that spent their summers in the north woods were going on to college. "Noveau" perhaps early that me, but certainly Pete would have been the exception rather than the rule in Chrystal's time.