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Subject: Re: No story tonight? Author: Lew [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 00:19:32 03/08/10 Mon In reply to: Tucson 's message, "No story tonight?" on 23:36:15 03/07/10 Sun >Such a dry day no story here and BTFH has nothing even >SOL is dead. Can't say as I agree with you. Wes posted Chap 12 here, Gina Marie started a new story about Stephenie Kninsella, and SOL had a few posts that I have in my library. Certainly not a total loss. Over the weekend SOL had a chapter each of "Lost and Found", "Arlene and Jeff", and "Steve ans Chuck", all of which are in my Library. I guess it depends on your point of view, eh? Lew [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> Subject: Re: No story tonight? Author: Lew [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 00:21:31 03/08/10 Mon >>Such a dry day no story here and BTFH has nothing even >>SOL is dead. > >Can't say as I agree with you. Wes posted Chap 12 >here, Gina Marie started a new story about Stephenie >Kninsella, and SOL had a few posts that I have in my >library. Certainly not a total loss. > >Over the weekend SOL had a chapter each of "Lost and >Found", "Arlene and Jeff", and "Steve ans Chuck", all >of which are in my Library. I guess it depends on >your point of view, eh? > >Lew Opps, Wes posted Chapter 12, not 12. My Bad. Lew

[> [> [> Subject: Re: No story tonight? Author: Lew [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 00:24:40 03/08/10 Mon >>>Such a dry day no story here and BTFH has nothing >even >>>SOL is dead. >> >>Can't say as I agree with you. Wes posted Chap 12 >>here, Gina Marie started a new story about Stephenie >>Kninsella, and SOL had a few posts that I have in my >>library. Certainly not a total loss. >> >>Over the weekend SOL had a chapter each of "Lost and >>Found", "Arlene and Jeff", and "Steve ans Chuck", all >>of which are in my Library. I guess it depends on >>your point of view, eh? >> >>Lew > > > >Opps, Wes posted Chapter 12, not 12. My Bad. > >Lew Damm, Chapter 13, not 12 for Wes. If I would proof-read my posts I would make such stupid mistakes :=( (Especially twice in a row) Lew

[> [> [> Subject: Re: No story tonight? Author: ShyLady [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:20:52 03/13/10 Sat >>>Such a dry day no story here and BTFH has nothing >even >>>SOL is dead. >> >>Can't say as I agree with you. Wes posted Chap 12 >>here, Gina Marie started a new story about Stephenie >>Kninsella, and SOL had a few posts that I have in my >>library. Certainly not a total loss. >> >>Over the weekend SOL had a chapter each of "Lost and >>Found", "Arlene and Jeff", and "Steve ans Chuck", all >>of which are in my Library. I guess it depends on >>your point of view, eh? >> >>Lew > > > >Opps, Wes posted Chapter 12, not 12. My Bad. > >Lew My problem is that the authors I like don't post fast enough for me as I usually want to read at least 3-4 chapters a day and more on weekends. I always look for Wes's updates first as well as Dual Writer's (Steve and Chuck) depending on the day of the week. Lost and Found is another of my favorites. The Scot has finally been posting again with the Hawk and the Chipmunk. I've been rereading some of my favorites while waiting on more chapters to be posted. Reread several of Wes's, the whole Florida Friends series from Dual Writer, The Millionaire Next Door and A Different Sort of Lifestyle by Lazlo Zalezac. Any suggestions of more to read along the same styles?

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: No story tonight? Author: Deadly Ernest [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:41:41 03/13/10 Sat >>>>Such a dry day no story here and BTFH has nothing >>even >>>>SOL is dead. >>> >>>Can't say as I agree with you. Wes posted Chap 12 >>>here, Gina Marie started a new story about Stephenie >>>Kninsella, and SOL had a few posts that I have in my >>>library. Certainly not a total loss. >>> >>>Over the weekend SOL had a chapter each of "Lost and >>>Found", "Arlene and Jeff", and "Steve ans Chuck", all >>>of which are in my Library. I guess it depends on >>>your point of view, eh? >>> >>>Lew >> >> >> >>Opps, Wes posted Chapter 12, not 12. My Bad. >> >>Lew > >My problem is that the authors I like don't post fast >enough for me as I usually want to read at least 3-4 >chapters a day and more on weekends. I always look >for Wes's updates first as well as Dual Writer's >(Steve and Chuck) depending on the day of the week. >Lost and Found is another of my favorites. The Scot >has finally been posting again with the Hawk and the >Chipmunk. > >I've been rereading some of my favorites while waiting >on more chapters to be posted. Reread several of >Wes's, the whole Florida Friends series from Dual >Writer, The Millionaire Next Door and A Different Sort >of Lifestyle by Lazlo Zalezac. Any suggestions of more >to read along the same styles? You missed out Shilo, and Memoires of a Lonely-Hearted ladies Man from my list of active serials, but you got the other top active ones I'm following. Ernest

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: No story tonight? Author: Lew [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 00:14:32 03/14/10 Sun >>>>>Such a dry day no story here and BTFH has nothing >>>even >>>>>SOL is dead. >>>> >>>>Can't say as I agree with you. Wes posted Chap 12 >>>>here, Gina Marie started a new story about Stephenie >>>>Kninsella, and SOL had a few posts that I have in >my >>>>library. Certainly not a total loss. >>>> >>>>Over the weekend SOL had a chapter each of "Lost and >>>>Found", "Arlene and Jeff", and "Steve ans Chuck", >all >>>>of which are in my Library. I guess it depends on >>>>your point of view, eh? >>>> >>>>Lew >>> >>> >>> >>>Opps, Wes posted Chapter 12, not 12. My Bad. >>> >>>Lew >> >>My problem is that the authors I like don't post fast >>enough for me as I usually want to read at least 3-4 >>chapters a day and more on weekends. I always look >>for Wes's updates first as well as Dual Writer's >>(Steve and Chuck) depending on the day of the week. >>Lost and Found is another of my favorites. The Scot >>has finally been posting again with the Hawk and the >>Chipmunk. >> >>I've been rereading some of my favorites while waiting >>on more chapters to be posted. Reread several of >>Wes's, the whole Florida Friends series from Dual >>Writer, The Millionaire Next Door and A Different Sort >>of Lifestyle by Lazlo Zalezac. Any suggestions of more >>to read along the same styles? > >You missed out Shilo, and Memoires of a Lonely-Hearted >ladies Man from my list of active serials, but you got >the other top active ones I'm following. > >Ernest Another good read, IMHO, is Dark Visions trilogy of "The Lottery", "Lady Guinevere", and his current latest "Unique Adventures". Check 'em out. Lew

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: No story tonight? Author: Deadly Ernest [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 04:10:18 03/14/10 Sun >>> >>>My problem is that the authors I like don't post fast >>>enough for me as I usually want to read at least 3-4 >>>chapters a day and more on weekends. I always look >>>for Wes's updates first as well as Dual Writer's >>>(Steve and Chuck) depending on the day of the week. >>>Lost and Found is another of my favorites. The Scot >>>has finally been posting again with the Hawk and the >>>Chipmunk. >>> >>>I've been rereading some of my favorites while >waiting >>>on more chapters to be posted. Reread several of >>>Wes's, the whole Florida Friends series from Dual >>>Writer, The Millionaire Next Door and A Different >Sort >>>of Lifestyle by Lazlo Zalezac. Any suggestions of >more >>>to read along the same styles? >> >>You missed out Shilo, and Memoires of a Lonely-Hearted >>ladies Man from my list of active serials, but you got >>the other top active ones I'm following. >> >>Ernest > > >Another good read, IMHO, is Dark Visions trilogy of >"The Lottery", "Lady Guinevere", and his current >latest "Unique Adventures". Check 'em out. > >Lew Actually, DV's The Lottery is already in my reading queue, along with about a hundred other recommended stories. The troubles is, th more I read, the less time I have for writing. It's hard to balance them. Ernest

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: No story tonight? Author: Wes [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:01:32 03/14/10 Sun I'd like to recommend "More than a Stretch" by Kilobytemangler. It really captures the fifties and the early days of computing nicely. It gets a wee bit technical in spots but you can skim over them and keep the thread of the story. Bytemangler (who is a frequent poster here) says he plans a follow-up, and I'm waiting! To that, I'd add almost anything by Argon, Shrink 42 (especially later works) or Frank Downey. -- Wes -- Wes

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: No story tonight? Author: Dmitri [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:24:37 03/14/10 Sun Along with Wes's mentions below, I'd like to recommend some stories by a guy with the nick ".B" who frequents this forum. I don't think he's been mentioned yet. He has some great stories, some of which are even complete. The English may seem a bit weird from a writer living below the 49th parallel, but you'll probably puzzle it out. I'm not sure where they're posted these days, but I'm sure the author can enlighten us. Dmitri >I'd like to recommend "More than a Stretch" by >Kilobytemangler. It really captures the fifties and >the early days of computing nicely. It gets a wee bit >technical in spots but you can skim over them and keep >the thread of the story. Bytemangler (who is a >frequent poster here) says he plans a follow-up, and >I'm waiting! > >To that, I'd add almost anything by Argon, Shrink 42 >(especially later works) or Frank Downey. > >-- Wes > >-- Wes

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: No story tonight? Author: dotB [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:00:38 03/14/10 Sun >Along with Wes's mentions below, I'd like to recommend >some stories by a guy with the nick ".B" who frequents >this forum. I don't think he's been mentioned yet. >He has some great stories, some of which are even >complete. The English may seem a bit weird from a >writer living below the 49th parallel, but you'll >probably puzzle it out. > >I'm not sure where they're posted these days, but I'm >sure the author can enlighten us. > >Dmitri > Unfortunately Arthritis and other health problems have forced .B to take an unplanned Sabbatical - in other words unless you reread the old stories on SoL or ASSTR there have been no new postings for a while. There have been a few teases posted on my Yahoo group and I have a new site planned, but don't have it up yet. Mostly I've just been rewriting, reformatting and re-editing a few of my older stories. I've finally managed to collect ALL of my old stories which I'm trying to salvage - at least those I feel are worth reposting. (There are 96 different stories, written at various times over the last 45 years, under 7 different pseudonyms, but some are junk so they will never be reposted.)

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: No story tonight? Author: Dmitri [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:36:38 03/14/10 Sun Thanks, dotB. Unfortunately, you must be able to read a map. You didn't fall for my tease about living "south of the border." For those of you who don't know, dotB lives in British Columbia, which is the Canadian province just to the north of Washington State. But there's a small part of it that sticks down south of the defacto international border (54-40 or fight! ) and dotB resides in that small pocket of Vancouver Island. The city of Bellingham, Washington, is north of the capital of the province of British Columbia! Those of you who haven't read dotB's "Car 54" are in for a treat. Very Wes-like. And that one is complete as far as I know. Dmitri >Unfortunately Arthritis and other health problems have >forced .B to take an unplanned Sabbatical - in other >words unless you reread the old stories on SoL or >ASSTR there have been no new postings for a while. > >There have been a few teases posted on my Yahoo group >and I have a new site planned, but don't have it up >yet. Mostly I've just been rewriting, reformatting and >re-editing a few of my older stories. I've finally >managed to collect ALL of my old stories which I'm >trying to salvage - at least those I feel are worth >reposting. (There are 96 different stories, written at >various times over the last 45 years, under 7 >different pseudonyms, but some are junk so they will >never be reposted.)

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: No story tonight? Author: dotB [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:59:22 03/14/10 Sun >Thanks, dotB. > >Unfortunately, you must be able to read a map. You >didn't fall for my tease about living "south of the >border." For those of you who don't know, dotB lives >in British Columbia, which is the Canadian province >just to the north of Washington State. But there's a >small part of it that sticks down south of the defacto >international border (54-40 or fight! ) and dotB >resides in that small pocket of Vancouver Island. The >city of Bellingham, Washington, is north of the >capital of the province of British Columbia! > >Those of you who haven't read dotB's "Car 54" are in >for a treat. Very Wes-like. And that one is complete >as far as I know. > >Dmitri > Ouch - "Car 54" was written in a rush, and as well it was written when I was feeling very angry at an ex - in other words it's a bit rough in the form you'll find online. When I reread it, I disliked several portions, particularly the ending - so, I just finished completely rewriting it. I prefer "AfterShock" - but I've even rewritten that for my new site (if and when I ever get the new site up and active.)

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: No story tonight? Author: Wes [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:22:13 03/14/10 Sun > >Ouch - "Car 54" was written in a rush, and as well it >was written when I was feeling very angry at an ex - >in other words it's a bit rough in the form you'll >find online. When I reread it, I disliked several >portions, particularly the ending - so, I just >finished completely rewriting it. I am really looking forward to reading the revised "Car 54" then! The last few chapters seemed rushed to me, like you were trying to get them over with, and there was so much more detail you could have worked in. Still, it's one of my online favorites -- you had poor Chris jerked so many ways it was a wonder he knew which way was up! -- Wes

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: No story tonight? Author: Kirby Lambert [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:42:18 03/14/10 Sun >>Thanks, dotB. >> >>Unfortunately, you must be able to read a map. You >>didn't fall for my tease about living "south of the >>border." For those of you who don't know, dotB lives >>in British Columbia, which is the Canadian province >>just to the north of Washington State. But there's a >>small part of it that sticks down south of the defacto >>international border (54-40 or fight! ) and dotB >>resides in that small pocket of Vancouver Island. The >>city of Bellingham, Washington, is north of the >>capital of the province of British Columbia! >> >>Those of you who haven't read dotB's "Car 54" are in >>for a treat. Very Wes-like. And that one is complete >>as far as I know. >> >>Dmitri >> > >Ouch - "Car 54" was written in a rush, and as well it >was written when I was feeling very angry at an ex - >in other words it's a bit rough in the form you'll >find online. When I reread it, I disliked several >portions, particularly the ending - so, I just >finished completely rewriting it. > >I prefer "AfterShock" - but I've even rewritten that >for my new site (if and when I ever get the new site >up and active.) I'm with Wes, I can't wait to read the revised versions. The revised Car 54 should be a real treat. Kirby

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: No story tonight? Author: dmitri [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 01:19:32 03/15/10 Mon "Car 54" may have been written in a rush as you say, but it's still a very good story. The thing I liked about it was that it was very low sex, like Wes's writing (or what of it Wes lets us see, anyway). Your "Aftershock" is a good story, but has more sex in it than I like or think needs to be there. I'm to the point where I like to read all of a story, and when I get to the graphic sex, which to me, little of which contributes to the plot line of many stories at all, I just skip ahead, spot checking for when the sex finishes and the author gets back to the story so I can continue reading "the good part." Getting any hint that I'm not 18? Some stories (most of 'em on SOL) end up being mostly graphic sex and there ain't much there for me to read. SOL: Plot = sex. I'm also not much of a fan of "harem" stories, which "Aftershock" seemed to be to me. Wes's stories, and you with "Car 54" and a few others of yours, manage to indicate that sex happens without getting graphic about it. Hell, Wes's "Magic Carpet" was about a whorehouse or three. Talk about prime opportunity for graphic sex in a story! Was there any? Nope. Congrats, Wes. I don't remember any in "Car 54" either. The reader knew it went on 'cause you told us, but the "tab A - slot B - stir until ignition" ad nauseum part was largely missing. Along with Wes and Kirby, I'd love to read the new "Car 54." If you've extracted most of the sex from "Aftershock" I'd read the new version of that, too, but if you haven't, the old one will probably do for me. Hopefully you've managed to correct most of the typos that were in both stories while you were rewriting. Drools > >Ouch - "Car 54" was written in a rush, and as well it >was written when I was feeling very angry at an ex - >in other words it's a bit rough in the form you'll >find online. When I reread it, I disliked several >portions, particularly the ending - so, I just >finished completely rewriting it. > >I prefer "AfterShock" - but I've even rewritten that >for my new site (if and when I ever get the new site >up and active.)

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: No story tonight? Author: Wes [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:56:04 03/15/10 Mon >"Car 54" may have been written in a rush as you say, >but it's still a very good story. To tell the truth, most of my stories are written in a rush, or at least a series of rushes. I wrote Dawnwalker in two months, an original draft of 380,000 words or so. Absent Friend took 15 days, two of which we had no power due to an ice storm. Although I did the first nine chapters of Stray Kitten (the book I finished earlier this month) in 2008, I was under two weeks in doing the next 110,000 words. I'm either on or off. -- Wes

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: No story tonight? Author: Dmitri [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:27:46 03/15/10 Mon Wes, in our book, you're mostly "on." Dmitri >To tell the truth, most of my stories are written in a >rush, or at least a series of rushes. I wrote >Dawnwalker in two months, an original draft of >380,000 words or so. Absent Friend took 15 >days, two of which we had no power due to an ice >storm. Although I did the first nine chapters of >Stray Kitten (the book I finished earlier this >month) in 2008, I was under two weeks in doing the >next 110,000 words. I'm either on or off. > >-- Wes

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: No story tonight? Author: dotB [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:07:16 03/15/10 Mon >>"Car 54" may have been written in a rush as you say, >>but it's still a very good story. > >To tell the truth, most of my stories are written in a >rush, or at least a series of rushes. I wrote >Dawnwalker in two months, an original draft of >380,000 words or so. Absent Friend took 15 >days, two of which we had no power due to an ice >storm. Although I did the first nine chapters of >Stray Kitten (the book I finished earlier this >month) in 2008, I was under two weeks in doing the >next 110,000 words. I'm either on or off. > >-- Wes Well, the complication in my case was similar to Danny's in your present story - only add in a health problem, an accident, and a move for additional fuss during the last few chapters. I was breaking up with a woman who had developed a mental heath problem - I didn't realize at the time that she had gone off her meds.- heck I'd known her for ten years and never KNEW she even had a mental health problem before that. I had just found out that I had to retire from the University - for medical reasons. My car was hit by a truck as I was going through an intersection (I had a green light, but he had been drinking and didn't notice the red light.) - which put me in the hospital for a few days and complicated my health problems. And to top it off I was losing my home due to the breakup with the woman. I could have fought that, but it was simpler just to move and save the hassle. Life does influence what and how you write. .B

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: No story tonight? Author: Hal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:45:53 03/16/10 Tue .B have you re posted Car 54 anywhere yet? It had rough places toward the end, but I thought it was a wonderful read! I would love to re-read it.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: No story tonight? Author: dotB [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:13:58 03/17/10 Wed >.B have you re posted Car 54 anywhere yet? It had >rough places toward the end, but I thought it was a >wonderful read! I would love to re-read it. Sorry, it still has to go through a run past my editors, then be corrected and then I have to get my new site up and running. Please be patient.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: No story tonight? Author: dave trapp [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:42:35 03/18/10 Thu >>.B have you re posted Car 54 anywhere yet? It had >>rough places toward the end, but I thought it was a >>wonderful read! I would love to re-read it. > >Sorry, it still has to go through a run past my >editors, then be corrected and then I have to get my >new site up and running. Please be patient. eh, much thanks in the meantime! I looked up and read Car 54, really enjoyed it, and have started Aftershock. I might add I'm sitting just across the water to the south nearly within view of Victoria, so I'm also feeling some kinship.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: No story tonight? Author: Phantom [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 05:40:19 03/14/10 Sun >>>>Such a dry day no story here and BTFH has nothing >>even >>>>SOL is dead. >>> >>>Can't say as I agree with you. Wes posted Chap 12 >>>here, Gina Marie started a new story about Stephenie >>>Kninsella, and SOL had a few posts that I have in my >>>library. Certainly not a total loss. >>> >>>Over the weekend SOL had a chapter each of "Lost and >>>Found", "Arlene and Jeff", and "Steve ans Chuck", all >>>of which are in my Library. I guess it depends on >>>your point of view, eh? >>> >>>Lew >> >> >> >>Opps, Wes posted Chapter 12, not 12. My Bad. >> >>Lew > >My problem is that the authors I like don't post fast >enough for me as I usually want to read at least 3-4 >chapters a day and more on weekends. I always look >for Wes's updates first as well as Dual Writer's >(Steve and Chuck) depending on the day of the week. >Lost and Found is another of my favorites. The Scot >has finally been posting again with the Hawk and the >Chipmunk. > >I've been rereading some of my favorites while waiting >on more chapters to be posted. Reread several of >Wes's, the whole Florida Friends series from Dual >Writer, The Millionaire Next Door and A Different Sort >of Lifestyle by Lazlo Zalezac. Any suggestions of more >to read along the same styles? While not the same subject ...but still a great few great tales to read if your looking for large series type or style story's that are very good reading 2 writers who I'd have to recomend checking out are Fel and Mike Cropo. Fel has several long stories one is his Series of books about Tarrin Kael (the Kael Chronicles or Sennadar Series)(fanasty) ---The Firestaff Series Book One - Tower of Sorcery Book Two - The Questing Game Book Three - Honor and Blood Book Four - The Shadow Realm Book Five - Weavespinner ---The Pyrosian Chronicles Book six - Axe Of The Dwarven King Book Seven - The Sword of Fire Book Eight - Demons bane and several short storys the other is his (Sci-Fi space opera type) Subjugation Series .. Book one - Subjugation Book two - Insurrection Book three - Unification Book Four - (Forth comming) These can be found on his site and part on his forum he also has a few other tales posted on his forum http://sennadar.com/wp/ and http://forums.sennadar.com/ And the little known Series of books by Mike Cropo His A Spartians War series of books is very good. while only 4 books so far they are all ready as large as Fels Sennadar Books Book 1 "A time of Eden and Eleves" Book 2 "A Spartan's War" Book 3 "A Spartan's War Discovery" Book 4 "A Spartan's War Wolves and Dragons of the Blood" Mike is currenty still writing book 4 but it's allready at least 2 or 3 book's in size The titles are a bit misleading and then again they aren't This is a Space opera type story and can only be found on his Yahoo group right now (in doc format) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WolvesandDragonsoftheBlood/ (NSFW) a Word of warning these Tales May contain some parts that are deemed "Not Safe For Work" Phantom

[> [> Subject: Re: No story tonight? Author: Emmett [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:54:25 03/13/10 Sat >>Such a dry day no story here and BTFH has nothing even >>SOL is dead. > >Can't say as I agree with you. Wes posted Chap 12 >here, Gina Marie started a new story about Stephenie >Kninsella, and SOL had a few posts that I have in my >library. Certainly not a total loss. > >Over the weekend SOL had a chapter each of "Lost and >Found", "Arlene and Jeff", and "Steve ans Chuck", all >of which are in my Library. I guess it depends on >your point of view, eh? > >Lew I read what Gina Marie posted and it looks like another good one. She's almost as good a writer as Wes is.

[> [> Subject: Re: No story tonight? Author: Reinhard [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:12:17 03/20/10 Sat Dmitri, as you mentioned Bellingham: There is a nice story from Coaster2 on SOL that takes place in Bellingham. It is called Connecting Rod.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: No story tonight? Author: Dmitri [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:10:44 03/20/10 Sat >Dmitri, as you mentioned Bellingham: There is a nice >story from Coaster2 on SOL that takes place in >Bellingham. It is called Connecting Rod. Well, to my friend who lives there, I refer to the place as "Hellingbam" but not to others who wouldn't have likely heard of the place. Dmitri