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Subject: Curiosity


Author:
bigolal
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Date Posted: 08:03:24 08/10/12 Fri

I am assuming that Lancaster flew from San Jose to Camden, then rented a car to get to Spearfish Lake. If so, how was he able to carry a pistol on board the airplane? Another example of how well we are protected by airport security? Now, had he been a small child in a stroller, or a nursing mother, or a senior citizen with a pacemaker or a colostomy bag, it would have been a different story, wouldn't it?

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[> Subject: Re: Curiosity


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 14:37:11 08/10/12 Fri

>I am assuming that Lancaster flew from San Jose to
>Camden, then rented a car to get to Spearfish Lake. If
>so, how was he able to carry a pistol on board the
>airplane? Another example of how well we are protected
>by airport security? Now, had he been a small child in
>a stroller, or a nursing mother, or a senior citizen
>with a pacemaker or a colostomy bag, it would have
>been a different story, wouldn't it?
Maybe he actually flew to Chicago, where he knew somebody to buy a pistol from somebody without any paperwork (e.g. a Saturday Night Special), and then drove up to Spearfish Lake? A longer drive, which would have allowed him to get really pissed off.
[> [> Subject: Re: Curiosity


Author:
Javahead
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Date Posted: 20:42:06 08/10/12 Fri

>>I am assuming that Lancaster flew from San Jose to
>>Camden, then rented a car to get to Spearfish Lake. If
>>so, how was he able to carry a pistol on board the
>>airplane? Another example of how well we are protected
>>by airport security? Now, had he been a small child in
>>a stroller, or a nursing mother, or a senior citizen
>>with a pacemaker or a colostomy bag, it would have
>>been a different story, wouldn't it?
>Maybe he actually flew to Chicago, where he knew
>somebody to buy a pistol from somebody without any
>paperwork (e.g. a Saturday Night Special), and then
>drove up to Spearfish Lake? A longer drive, which
>would have allowed him to get really pissed off.

Guns can travel quite legally as checked luggage. It would need to be unloaded (ammo could be in the case, just not in the gun) and he'd need to declare it. There may be more formalities - this is all second hand knowledge - but it's apparently not that difficult UNLESS you're traveling through places like NYC and Chicago that still (post-Heller) have been known to prosecute people who pass through their airports with checked guns that are legal at both their starting point and destination.

Which doesn't mean he couldn't have picked up the gun in Chicago, of course. But he could just as easily brought it with him. (BTW - depending on flight scheduling, folks in the Silicon Valley area use both San Jose and San Francisco airports - even Oakland, sometimes. None are more than about an hour's drive away except at rush hour. Lancaster would have had *lots* of choices on how to follow.)

Though Wes has had some nasty characters who reformed - the throwaway bit about Trey working with an old Nashville friend of Jennifer's who was recording Bluegrass festivals comes to mind - it doesn't sound as if we should expect a rapid change of heart from Joel-the-Jerk.

Even with the damages, though, he may have got off lightly. What if instead Wes paired him off with Marsha?
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Curiosity


Author:
Rob
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Date Posted: 21:28:28 08/10/12 Fri

I thought the implication was that Joel saw and nabbed Randy's pistol?
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Curiosity


Author:
Boyd Percy
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Date Posted: 21:34:01 08/10/12 Fri

>I thought the implication was that Joel saw and nabbed
>Randy's pistol?


I believe that Randy mentioned having a .357 caliber pistol.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Curiosity


Author:
bigolal
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Date Posted: 22:23:51 08/10/12 Fri

>>I thought the implication was that Joel saw and nabbed
>>Randy's pistol?
>
>
>I believe that Randy mentioned having a .357 caliber
>pistol.

"Looks like a .32, nice little pocket piece."
[> Subject: Re: Curiosity


Author:
wexwiz543
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Date Posted: 22:57:36 08/10/12 Fri

>I am assuming that Lancaster flew from San Jose to
>Camden, then rented a car to get to Spearfish Lake. If
>so, how was he able to carry a pistol on board the
>airplane? Another example of how well we are protected
>by airport security? Now, had he been a small child in
>a stroller, or a nursing mother, or a senior citizen
>with a pacemaker or a colostomy bag, it would have
>been a different story, wouldn't it?


When I traveled to the Bay Area in California, I preferred to fly into San Jose. There were regular flights between Minneapolis and San Jose. San Jose is much easier to drive into and out of and getting a rental car there is much easier than the next nearest airports SFO and OAK.
Joel Could have driven from MSP or caught a connection to Camden, and driven from there.

Wex
[> [> Subject: Re: Curiosity


Author:
Mike
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Date Posted: 04:17:10 08/11/12 Sat

Or he could have used two pieces of hard sided luggage, declared an unloaded firearm when checking in, with the
weapon in one case and the ammo in another, and locked both cases.

Watch this video, it's VERY enlightening how to use the TSAs own rules in your favor. http://www.itstactical.com/intellicom/physical-security/flying-with-a-firearm-and-airline-travel-tips-by-deviant-ollam

The video on this page has absolutely rotten audio, but THERE IS is MUCH more info on the topic here: http://deviating.net/firearms/packing
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Curiosity


Author:
K Pelle aka dotB
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Date Posted: 16:59:32 08/13/12 Mon

I think it might be an idea to remind folks that although you may carry weapons in that manner in the US, several holiday bound people have discovered that you can't do that in Canada.
Although the border is relatively 'open' and people drive across daily - any form of handgun is liable to be confiscated at the border and the person carrying it will more than likely be charged. In order to carry in Canada you need to have SPECIAL dispensation to do so - very few people can get that sort of permission.

Right at the moment there are several court cases in the works over people crossing the border with weapons of various kinds. It's often a case that the person in question has a pistol stashed in their car and is so accustomed to it being there that they forget to remove it, but our courts don't seem to care.

Heck, for me to take my Luger from the safety deposit box* and carry it to the rifle range, I need to get a permit. In other words carrying any form of handgun anywhere in Canada is a pain in the keester for anyone.

* Yeah, you read that right, SAFETY DEPOSIT BOX - my lawyer advised me to do that, because there have been cases where handguns are seized for no apparent reason. As I understand it, I'm only allowed to keep it because it was inherited from my father, so it has sentimental value.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Curiosity


Author:
bytemangler
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Date Posted: 22:39:40 08/14/12 Tue

>I think it might be an idea to remind folks that
>although you may carry weapons in that manner in the
>US, several holiday bound people have discovered that
>you can't do that in Canada.

Good reminder.

Back to the original query, isn't it possible that Joel might have driven himself all the way from Ca to Spearfish Lake?
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Curiosity


Author:
bigolal
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Date Posted: 09:47:07 08/15/12 Wed

>>I think it might be an idea to remind folks that
>>although you may carry weapons in that manner in the
>>US, several holiday bound people have discovered that
>>you can't do that in Canada.
>
>Good reminder.
>
>Back to the original query, isn't it possible that
>Joel might have driven himself all the way from Ca to
>Spearfish Lake?

Doesn't the time factor (when he showed up) preclude that? I guess the best way to answer my questions is to ask Wes. How about it, Wes, what really happened?
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Curiosity


Author:
Wes
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Date Posted: 10:54:57 08/15/12 Wed

>>I think it might be an idea to remind folks that
>>although you may carry weapons in that manner in the
>>US, several holiday bound people have discovered that
>>you can't do that in Canada.
>
>Good reminder.
>
>Back to the original query, isn't it possible that
>Joel might have driven himself all the way from Ca to
>Spearfish Lake?

Beats me, I never bothered to figure it out. He must have flown, and the .32 could have been picked up from a shady associate in Chicago or something.

-- Wes
[> Subject: Re: Curiosity


Author:
Greg
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Date Posted: 20:36:27 08/15/12 Wed

Conceivably he could have packed the firearm (unloaded) in a piece of checked in luggage (there are legal methods for transporting firearms on airplanes: http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/assistant/editorial_1666.shtm) or he could have illegally purchased it once he got to Camden.

>I am assuming that Lancaster flew from San Jose to
>Camden, then rented a car to get to Spearfish Lake. If
>so, how was he able to carry a pistol on board the
>airplane? Another example of how well we are protected
>by airport security? Now, had he been a small child in
>a stroller, or a nursing mother, or a senior citizen
>with a pacemaker or a colostomy bag, it would have
>been a different story, wouldn't it?


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