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Subject: NC Boxing Commission VS. GRAPPLING court case


Author:
Ses
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Date Posted: 12:27:15 03/28/05 Mon

Saw this posted on MMA.tv as an event.

Anthony,

I am terribly dissappointed in you for such behavior, it
is apparent that the phone conversations that we've had over the last few months have taught you nothing! Shutup!!!
Im not done yet. With all of your experiences related to combat I figured you would be more disciplined than your opponent, more prepared, calm , calculating and refined.
It puts a sad frown on my heart to see such an Outstanding Athlete reduced to nothing more than a whinny
arrogant pugnacious pretender to the throne of Excellence.
When will you learn that if you're going to make a statement you need to make an impact. The next time you come up with title for an event make sure that is catches Everyones attention My suggestion would be: Grappling Vs. Nut Case NC Boxing Commission.

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Anthony
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Date Posted: 14:39:52 03/28/05 Mon

"WOW!" would have to be my reaction, Ses.

I am just trying to do what I can to draw attention to a worthy cause.
Sadly I do not have a black belt in "Underhanded Politics". Being open, honest, and direct doesn't work with some people, I'll have to add bitching to the list!
I am sorry if my actions tarnish my reputation and my throne. I am also sorry if this costs me my gyms, my events, and every penny to my name. I am sorry for the collateral damage that this is doing to my family too.
This is a matter of Right and Wrong. And for this I am more than happy to get my face as dirty as need be.
If it means protecting something THIS important,...why not? Our rights, our sport, our freedom of choice were attacked. What kind of fighter would we be if we didn't to stand up for something we love? For that matter, what kind of person would we be? Not all over our fights are in the ring. I just wish our opponent wasn't so underhanded.
What are they going to do to me personally? Make me homeless? I've ALREADY been homeless twice in my life. So I can recover from a third time. Because I'm that kind of a fighter.

If the Boxing Commission had JUST maintained the Status Quo as it was there would never have been a problem. Instead of trying to expand into grappling via some sneaky twisting of the law. Mislabeling Grapping as MMA?!?! What kind of person uses THAT tactic?

I'll take your advice about rewording the title for sure! Thanks. It should be updated on MMA.TV by now! ;-)
http://mma.tv/events/index.cfm?ac=EventDetail&EID=1010

Regards,
Anthony Huss

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tapuout247
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Date Posted: 13:17:16 04/06/05 Wed

Just got info that the boxing commission does not have a problem with grappling in NC, just when it is mixed together with other styles.

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Author:
Anthony Huss
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Date Posted: 05:55:55 04/08/05 Fri

Tapuout247,
Ahh, IF only that info was true, man. We could all sleep better at night.

There is no news flash to be had on this topic, bro. The only news flash here is that the Boxing Commission acts willy-nilly on this stuff.

And in case you hadn't noticed or had forgotten they DID ban the "TAP FACTOR" Grappling series. A well established, pure grappling event that was NEVER even mentioned until the day BEFORE our event was killed off as they held court WITHOUT me even knowing or being there.

They intentionally labeled grappling in all of it's forms as "MMA". Don't beleive me? I would be more than happy to forward the Boxing Commission's case evidence to you. All 96 pages of it! It's evidence they presented to the Superior court Judge "proving" how evil grappling was. And how grappling and MMA are the same thing. It's really very nice where they call our sport "Human Cock fighting", "death matches", and directly say that grappling will cause death and dismemberment. There's some crap in there that is really insulting to our sport, man!
Apparently, he learned martial arts from some of the same people that started this mislabeling witchhunt.

Their excuse is that I was doing MMA. Don't buy thier line for a second. Anyone who is on this forum should be able to tell the difference. I can. I'm sure that you can too. Regardless of what gym one's political ties are with, in all honesty you gotta realize that much.

And since I never "mixed" my stuff together,.....there should not have EVER been a problem. We broke no laws.

Having two or more styles on the same day in the same place isn't illegal either. Nor is it legally considered to be mixing(MMA). The elements we offered that day were keep apart and were not in illegal as they are. Ex:Judo, No-Gi, Kung-Fu, BJJ, etc.

One big point that I do not think most people have come to terms with is the "Ultimate Warrior" law. This is NOT simply another name for MMA that they pulled out of thier butts. According to them this is a seperate thing from MMA. So the problem isn't proving that the Battle Cry event wasn't MMA. That's easy for me to prove!
The "Catch 22" is that ANY sport or activity can be labeled by them as being "Ultimate Warrior". It's THAT vague. Curl up with a copy of the law tonight and give it a good, loooong read. Keep in mind that when reading it you shouldn't read it with any common sense, but read it as if you were a sneaky politician actively looking for a loophole or a vague spot. Something that can be used to extend your sphere of control.
Keep in mind that playing dumb works wonders on people that are afraid of you. So the phrase "Full Contact" when read by them could be taken out of context to mean="contact that touches %100 of the body, ex: head, foot, chest, back, arm, leg, hand, hip."
It sounds silly I know, but these are their tactics. Getting the picture? By reading it THIS twisted way Grappling could be labeled as a "FULL CONTACT" martial art. That would put our sport in a very bad light for someone searching for a reason to attack our sport.
I WISH that any of you who still doubt what I say AND those that do not think this is a major problem could be involved in this FIRST HAND.

Tapuout247, Might I ask who you got this info from?

Keeping in mind that asking the Boxing Commissioner for it is rather pointless, since he will tell you what you want to hear in order to keep you from taking action while you can. He's helping you to convice yourself that this problem will "Go Away" once they snuff me out. It's called "Divide and Conquer".

Make no mistake my fellow fighters.
Our rights were violated.
And they will continue to creep into new territory until we ALL pull our heads out of the sand.

Any questions? Comments? Complaints?
Want details? Want PROOF? Want to be there?
Feel free to call me at 704-300-6253.

Regards,
Anthony Huss

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Ses
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Date Posted: 06:26:15 04/08/05 Fri

So what exactly was the "Verdict" (if you will), on the case about tap factor.

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Ses
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Date Posted: 09:39:44 04/08/05 Fri

Just saw on MMA.tv that your showdown was postponed once again....????

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Author:
Anthony Huss
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Date Posted: 17:40:19 04/08/05 Fri


The current date is this coming monday at 9am. So there has been not verdict. Sorry, they got me hanging in a void.

Only thing we got from the ass.D.A. is that their position is to "never let me conduct another event in the state of NC ever."

That was their official settlement offer. Notice: that it applies to both BATTLE CRY and TAP FACTOR or anything else. As if in their "supremely knowledgeable" opinion I am not qualified to run a grappling event.

This is simply a strong-arm tactic that works best for them, "Political intimidation". They are TRYING to make an example out of me. If they succeed, then they gain a huge inroad into controling grappling. And there are some martial artists in NC who want to see that to happen.

They keep those of us out there sooooo scared of the Commission that we resort to kissing their butt, doing little deals, and crawling at their feet,....when they don't even have any business getting involved in the sport of grappling.

We broke no laws, and EVEN if we had, for the Commission to demand a group/individual be forever banned from holding another event(no matter what it is) is another crime they are trying to get away with.

What I don't get is the way that a small 5% portion of those that read this forum are seem suddenly to be against my efforts. I understand that perhaps they dislike me on a personal level, or as a business rival.

All these years the same people would moan and groan with the rest of us that at the horrible incompetence and downright crookedness of the NC State Boxing Commission. I KNOW THIS because I heard all the stories from ya'll. Everyone in NC tells similar stories and and says how they hate the way things have been and talking about how "One day,..." we're going to set things right.

Where the heck is that moral conviction now? I guess it was just talk for some. Cause here is the moment that we've been waiting for and some are too busy thinking about how this is going to affect their perceived positions.

And don;t get me wrong guys, I'm not sayig that this court case is going to be the answer to our problems. It's not a magic, one shot, cure-all. But it's a step in the right direction. Considering that THEY were trying to GAIN more
ground our efforts are to stop the advance.

What's more, it's the first time ANYBODY has actually faced the Commission in court. I KNOW that a vast majority of you out there are with us on this. But petty back-stabing only weaks us enough for them to win.

There are a few individuals in NC that seem dead-set on causing as much confusion and ill will against US as they can. Makes you wonder what these sell-outs are going for?
Maybe they're thinking that if they co-operate with the Boxing Commission now, they will be the first in line to get a promoters permit whenever MMA becomes legal again UNDER the Boxing Commission.

So they happily keep the rest of us dogs quiet and in line for the master. They would sell us out for a privileged
position as "Head Snitch".

Think about where you stand on the big picture gentlemen, please.

Regards,
Anthony Huss

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Author:
Brandon Weaver
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Date Posted: 00:59:46 04/09/05 Sat

I am SURE Frank's info is 100% accurate. (Tapout 247) as he was doing this song and dance 6 years ago in NC with the commission. And yes we all know the commission will construe ANYTHING that mixes styles to be full on ultimate fighting. But I also remembered people on this board warned you of this very thing.

It is great to fight the good fight, but the fact is you did something that you knew was "skirting" the rules. Maybe not literally or in a truly illegal way, but when you deal with some of the ignorance (I mean uninformed not stupid) of the commission anything "close" is trouble. But again you did get warned before you ever tried to get that event going by people who have been struggling for over 7 years to get MMA going in NC.

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Anthony Huss
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Date Posted: 03:26:25 04/09/05 Sat

I hear ya. But we don't accomplish too much by only thinking dirty thoughts about the NC Boxing Commission.

You and I apparently agree about the level of incompetence they flaunt. Cool. All the more reason for us to make ourselves heard.

Maybe the Commission has gotten spoiled, with the way we bend over for them.

As far as the legal "line-in-the-sand" goes,.....If I drive 45 in a 55 I don't except to get a ticket. If I do, I'll fight that retarded crap in court. Just like this.

Still curious where Frank got his info from.

Depends on which way the wind is blowing I guess, sometimes his is right, sometimes mine is. The law must be fair and consistant, otherwise it is unconstitutional.

But expect them to be getting bolder about attacking NC events if we don't get together on this.

If you guys want to see how they really conduct themselves come out to the courthouse Monday 9am. You own it to yourselves to find out what's going on.

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Brandon Weaver
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Date Posted: 06:24:34 04/09/05 Sat

I daresay Frank Got it straight from the Commisioner's mouth since he had major interaction with them when He and Billy put on the Pro Am years back. They even had a rep there to observe and concluded Grappling was FINE with them.


I dont put my head in the sand. This battle is being fought as well as it can be by Jason Culbreth. It will or wont be decided in legislature. Not in court. I hope you dont have any legal troubles from it, but people have been trying harder and longer than you to make MMA go in NC.

Dont take any of that the wrong way. The boxing commission's practices are old news. They went after you because of the perception of "mixed styles" and more than likely are going to be a pain in your ass for a couple of your events until they are certain there is no "mixing".

And as for the 45 in a 55, well........a better comparison in your case is rolling to a stop sign and stopping for .5 seconds. Is it a complete stop? Sure. But if mr Policeman glanced at it the right way at the wrong time it sure looks like you did the old illegal rolling stop.

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Guy
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Date Posted: 08:34:16 04/09/05 Sat

I spoke with the Boxing Commission last week myself. I did so to confirm whether or not we could hold our tournament The George Pendergrass Classic again this year. The Commission assured me that they had no problems with us putting on our grappling tournament. He specifically stated that as long as we don't mix it with any striking, they didn't have a problem with us. I relayed that information to frank last week.

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