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Subject: Torn


Author:
Melanie
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Date Posted: 08/31/09 1:03pm

I'm married, have been for 7 years. Always considered myself pro life by the way with the exception of extenuating circumstances like rape. Anyway, 3 years into my marriage I became pregnant with my first child and was so excited. A little nervous since my mother had had four miscarriages in addition to having my 3 siblings and me altho there has never been a genetic link to that. Guess just nervous because I knew it was a possibility. Luckily, I got past the first trimester, even with a trip to Mexico and St Kitts and my fears started to disappear and I became more relaxed with my pregnancy. At 23.5 weeks I started bleeding and cramping and was taken to the hospital. At the time I just thought it was one of those things better to be safe than sorry and I'd come right home so I even went in my pajamas (it was 12:30 AM). Well, turns out I was in preterm labor with a prolapse chord so the doctor said the best chances were a c section but the baby probably wouldn't live anyway. Well, she proved them wrong and did survive. However, after 7 long weeks in the NICU she took a turn for the worst and passed away in my arms. A year later, I found out I was pregnant again and was so excited. Early in the pregnancy I was spotting and cramping so I went to the doctor to make sure everything was ok. They said they could not hear a heart beat or see a baby so I would come back a week later to see if the baby was developing since I was always irregular so the estimated due date was probably off by a few weeks anyway. I was nervous that whole week but then convinced myself that everything would be fine and the reason they couldn't see the baby developing was because I was not as far along as expected. Well, I went back and nothing changed....I had a blighted ovum (no baby developing but all the symptoms of being pregnant) which meant I would miscarry naturally eventually so they performed a D&C to get everything out. A year later I was pregnant again and with close monitoring I delivered a healthy baby boy at 36 weeks via c section. It was determined that he was in the breech position and having growth issues so he had to come out. The reason behind all my pregnancy complications has now become a little clearer. The doctors believe that I have a unicorneate uterus which can be the cause for both miscarriage and preterm labor and growth issues inside. So now with my son 15 months and again a year later (I know Ive been pregnant for 4 years straight) I have found out that I'm pregnant again. The problem is that I have been unhappy in my marriage for some time now and feel that my husband is irresponsible. I often felt I made a mistake having the one I have given the state of my marriage and feel that due to my losses my desire to have a child became stronger regardless of the state of my marriage. However, naturally I wouldnt take it back as I love my son and am so happy to finally be a mother altho I have considered myself a mother since the birth of my daughter. I told my husband I was not ready to have another child prior to conceiving this one and to use protection which he refused to do. So naturally he wanted to get me pregnant again and is happy. As I already stated he is irresponsible and doesn't really think major decisions through and I end up picking up all the slack on everything. In a few days I will be going back to work full time. I am also in the process of finishing a post masters certification and with the probable due date of this baby I would not be able to finish my spring semester which is the internship/culmination of the program. I will also admit that I still haven't finished my second masters degree (just have an independent study to complete that Ive been putting off for the past 2 years) basically because of being on modified bedrest/preoccupied while pregnant and then busy with my son. I really don't want to have another certification on hold/up in the air, especially one that is helping me as I have made a slight career change. In all honesty I am not as motivated about the second masters I have put off, but would be really upset if I did not complete this certification in the spring as planned. I did call the university and ask if I did still enroll for the spring if something could be worked out so I could still fulfill the requirements and they said probably, but still not a definitive yes and I dont know what at this point would be done. I feel set in my decision to have an abortion even though my husband is totally against it, but part of me is feeling guilty bc of my prior natural losses and the potential for me to have future losses and then have regrets. Also, I'm in a time crunch as my decision must be made this week as I am still off from work. Once I go back to work I will not have the time to do this given the time I'll need to recover. I'm also scared because I will have to be awake for it since I'm still nursing my son in addition to the fact that my husband has given me really graphic descriptions of what it entails which I really didnt need to hear as I am aware of what it entails and would see all that gore in person, dont need to think about it beforehand.

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[> Subject: Re: Torn


Author:
Melanie
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Date Posted: 08/31/09 5:57pm

Hi Melanie,

I haven't been on here for a while, but since we share the same name, we have at least one thing in common. :)

I'm really sorry to hear about your struggles and your losses. In reading what is going on with your situation, it seems that the word "fear" comes up a lot. The problem with making decisions when you are fearful of the future, does not always lead to great decisions. Circumstances often can and do change, but with some decisions (as with abortion) there is no going back once it is finished. If you are concerned about feeling guilty now, and you have (or recently had) strong feelings about having an abortion in the past, it is a bigger concern.

In regards to your education, if that is the biggest issue, then it might be wise to at least wait and hear what their response will be. You also might want to try and contact an organization called The Nurturing Network (calling is far better than online, imo) as they specifically work with college/career oriented women who are pregnant.

As for your marriage, is that something you want to work on or have you already given up? I know it's really tough when you don't feel as supported as you need to be. When I became pregnant with my first, I was working and my husband was happily on unemployment. Somehow, we've managed to survive for 32 years. I think year 7 is theoretically a tough year, as is the end of the first year. I think it seems about right to me. Does he see himself as irresponsible?

How far along are you now, if you don't mind me asking?
[> Subject: Re: Torn


Author:
Pat
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Date Posted: 08/31/09 6:03pm

Hello, Melanie,

Perhaps your outlook is a bit mixed, and this is confusing. Rape is a terrible event. That said, WHO should pay the price for the rape? The rapist, or the baby? The mother can be nurtured through. It's her baby, too, but if she can't face raising the child, she can choose adoption.

You know what you are carrying. You have an irresponsible husband. Who should pay the price of the irresponsibility? Your husband or your baby? Your baby is depending on you for your protection.

How will you feel in retrospect, if you look back and see that your academic achievements were bought with the life of your child? Many women suddenly lose all interest in these things, and no longer value them. You have your whole life ahead of you to complete these things. It sounds like you are facing some possible discrimination. Fight back! Don't let them do that to you. You don't owe it to them to pay that kind of price. And what if the abortion hurts or kills you? Who will nurse your older baby?

Life happens.

I had four children when I got my bachelor's degree. Three of them were preschoolers. My older daughter was born in April, in the middle of the semester. I stayed out of class for a week (my choice) and aced my courses.

I don't know exactly what kind of scheduling they are threatening to require of you. I don't know what is involved in your certification. But they should be willing to work with you. You can get some help with these types of problems by finding a local organization that can help you. If you live in the United States, go here: pregnancycenters.org. Also, you can see if your college has a college outreach program, which will offer you alternatives. Ask especially at your health clinic. Also, you can find out more about this program by going here: feministsforlife.org. If you don't live in the United States, you can use this worldwide listing to find an organization near you: www.heartbeatinternational.org/worldwide_directory.asp. Chances are, there is someone who is qualified at one of these places to go have a talk with the college, perhaps a lawyer who donates his time. There is no excuse for this kind of behavior. Colleges need to be willing to make adjustments. Otherwise, you are being denied equal protection.

You are precious and so is your baby. There are answers. You don't have to resort to this kind of violence. We love you both, and we are concerned about your health and the well being of your older child, too. Please protect your baby! Let us know what happens. We will be here for you, and we will pray for you.

Hugs,
Pat
[> Subject: Re: Torn


Author:
Sharon
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Date Posted: 08/31/09 8:24pm

Melanie,

From your post, you sound as if you really think about things indepth. That ability to analyze can be very useful (and certainly is evidenced by your pursuit of advanced degrees), but it also can predispose a person to being somewhat obessive. I don't say that in a critical way - I say that more as an observation and because I think it bears on how you might tend to deal with an abortion, should you have one. I actually am much the same way - mulling things and looking at them from many angles until I nearly exhaust myself sometimes (that's maybe why I recognize a bit of that in your post ;-)

There are a number of things I want to share...I'm not quite sure where to start.

First, your husband may be irresponsible and your marriage may not be good, but the fact is that you are carrying your own child in you right now and he or she is completely dependent upon you to protect him or her. It may be that your marriage will collapse at some point, but that is actually a separate issue from the fact that you are a mother to the children you've lost, to your 15-month-old son, and to your little one in your womb. It might be tempting to want to avoid the realization of what abortion does, but I'm afraid with your ability to reflect upon things, that would definitely come back to haunt you in the future. Much as you might resent your husband for being irresponsible, he's actually done something that might save you a great deal of grief by sharing with you the (unfortunately, gruesome) details of abortion. You can end a pregnancy but you can't erase it. And, the realities of gestational development are undeniable.

It's those very realities that helped me to decide to cancel my appointment for an abortion nearly 30 years ago. My step-mother, who was pro-choice and an OB-Gyn nurse, knew that I was wrestling with the decision. (I was a freshman in college and feared a baby would dash my hopes of ever finishing college.) She said, very wisely, "I know YOU, Sharon [meaning she knew my tendency to feel things deeply and to think about things more intensly than some people might) and YOU could never live with yourself if you had an abortion." She then took out her nursing textbooks and proceeded to show me pictures of gestational development. I was floored. I was choosing to think of "it" as a "blob of cells" and a "mass of tissue" as Planned Parenthood referred to "it". But, in reality, he had tiny fingers and toes, a heart that had been beating for a few weeks already, brain waves, and all of his organs in place! What I couldn't see at that point, but have come to see brilliantly clearly as he's grown, is the loving, funny, bright, sunny, wise, considerate, smart person he became. And just last year, he and his girlfriend had a little baby boy... It's is chilling and sobering to realize that I held both of their lives in my hands as I made "my" choice back in 1979...

Another thing I want to point out is that, while at this moment, completing the second Masters this spring seems of paramount importance, in retrospect - should you decide to give birth to your child - you will realize that such arbitrary timelines pale in comparison to the importance of your child's life. I ended up taking 5 years to get my undergraduate degree rather than the typical 4. I went on to complete my Masters and am now happy in my career as an Instructional Technologist. But, without any hesitation, I would say that my greatest accomplishment has been my children. My job, while enjoyable, doesn't hold a candle to the joy they bring.

I truly fear, from the tenor of your post, that you would deeply regret having an abortion. Further, I fear having an abortion would taint your enjoyment of completing your Masters on time, making it difficult for you to fully enjoy and reap the benefits of the degree. Perhaps the school can work with you to let you finish on time. Schools are supposed to make accomodations for pregnant students. In fact, I think you could make a stink if they didn't make accomodations for you.

I guess, in closing (sorry this has been such a lengthy post!) I want to encourage you to see your pregnancy and your marital difficulties as two separate issues. The marraige may or may not last...but that really has very little bearing upon continuing this pregnancy.

Sharon
[> Subject: Re: Torn


Author:
Jen
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Date Posted: 09/ 2/09 2:03pm

Had a friend who was deterimined to become a doctor. She aborted her first child during her second year in med school. The day she graduated, she was literally sick to her stomach. Suddenly all her hard work and high achievements didn't mean a thing to her. She knew what she had done to get her where she was and wished she could've taken it back. She actually wanted her child, not her degree. (Which she realized she still could've received but not just as soon.)

As with your husband, biologically, the child is half his. Just to warn you, he may no longer trust or look at you in the same light if you go through with it. Hate to be a deal breaker, but many marriages (and relationships in general) end after abortion.

As for the graphic details... It wouldn't be a bad idea to know exactly what you are getting into before you do it. (Even if that includes seeing what will be done to yourself and child during the procedure.) It's a lot easier to empower yourself now so you can make a well informed decision than to shy away from it, run and have the abortion, then be horrified later with the truth when you can not go back and change things. Abortion is final, done deal.

My daughter's alive today because I did that, and after getting to know her, I'm now willing to die for her and can't even believe I thought abortion was an option for either of us. I was just scared and felt trapped.

I have a best friend who's experienced two abortions and she would give anything to have her kids back. There is not a day she is not reminded of her past abortions.

Besides 30yrs from now, your job and education are not going to be taking care of you, but your grown up kids will be.

You are a strong woman. Nothing says you can't achieve your dreams and be a mother at the same time. You already have one child, will a second really set you back? Besides, a sibling is the best gift you could ever give him. When you and your husband are gone, they will only have each other.

Peace.



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