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Subject: Re: Child not wanted by father


Author:
Heather
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Date Posted: 03/31/09 7:20pm
In reply to: Jennifer 's message, "Child not wanted by father" on 03/31/09 5:31pm

Hi Jennifer,

Wow! First welcome to the forum, and second I sure wish I could give you a hug right now.

My own two cents: good for you for being strong and refusing an abortion you knew was wrong. Also - I think it's plain that having this baby will not in the least hurt your daughter, nor would placing him or her for adoption if explained to her the gesture of love that is to the baby and the inexpressible gift it is to another woman who can't bear her own child.

Either of these two options can be explained plainly to a five year old, and you are her mom! She knows the difference between life, love and nurture and death and fear, which personify abortion.

Aborting the little one inside you would probably harm your daughter most significantly through the wounding it would do to you. She needs a mother who is whole and strong.

I think it goes without saying that your ex-husband has been a fool. We all are at times and make poor life choices at some point or another. May you heal from the wounds he's inflicted, dear one. The God who made you knows where the broken places are and how to heal them.

I think this man has the right to ask you not to inform his parents of your baby, but certainly no claim at all as to what you choose to do regarding your own parents.

It sounds like you do best to consider this new baby 'your baby' and let his/her father take his own course. Typically, there is no reason to fear any court taking a child from it's biological mother and giving it to anyone else - without strong and clear evidence of the mother's unfitness to parent. Were this to describe you, you wouldn't still have your 5 year old. So don't let him try to manipulate you with fear.

So many women facing an unplanned pregnancy have spouses and boyfriends who are so adamant about wanting them to have an abortion that in the first few weeks of discovery and turmoil they run an impressive gamut of manipulation tactics from guilt ("this child's life will be ruined, your life will be ruined, my life will be ruined," etc) to anger (are you insane?? What are you thinking??) to threats (if you don't have an abortion I'll _________(leave, have nothing to do with the child, never forgive you, etc) to 'logic' (here's all the reasons you need to abort) and if desperate enough - pleading: "please, please, please don't ruin my life by going through with this pregnancy....!"

But almost always, once the decision is made to rule out abortion they adjust. Regardless, in the final analysis it is the woman who must live the rest of her own life with whatever choice she makes.

If you don't want an abortion - you don't have to have one. And if you want to tell your parents - go ahead! Your road may not always be easy as a single mother of 2 that has wounding from a divorce, but it will be easier and have more joy than being the single mother of 1, carrying around the weight of death from an abortion of your own child in addition to the wounding of your husband's abandonment.

If this man is worried about hurting his 5 year old by having you give birth to his other child, he would do much better to consider the hurt it causes her when mistreats and dishonors you - her mother.

But that aside, it sounds like you already have your mind made up about the baby, but I'd like you to know we're here for support and prayer for you along the way; you have had a painful journey. May God ultimately use it to bring beauty from ashes.

"Weeping endures for the night, but joy comes in the morning."

Take good care of yourself!

With Kindness,

Heather

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[> Subject: Re: Child not wanted by father


Author:
Pat
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Date Posted: 03/31/09 9:25pm

Jennifer,

This man has betrayed you every which way, and for a very long time. Why should you give his opinion any weight at all? What kind of example is he to your daughter, betraying and abandoning you as he has done? He may be pleasant with your daughter when he is seeing her, but he is a VERY bad example. How can he do a decent job of instilling in her the values she needs to avoid being trapped into the same lifestyle?

How can having an abortion help your daughter? That is her sibling we're talking about! And what kind of example to her is that? That if she happens to get pregnant with an inconvenient child, it is acceptable to do deadly violence to that child?

Who is guilty here: your child or your husband?

Who deserves to be punished?

There are men out there who will cherish all of you. All three of you deserve a man who will be a true father and husband, who will stick by you and give you all the love you three deserve.

Your husband is perfectly willing to betray you and your daughter (and yes, he is betraying her, too) and now he wants YOU to betray your unborn child. You are a better person than that. You don't deserve the games he is playing with you. Your child is depending on you for your protection. Obviously this child isn't going to get any protection from his or her father. You are the only person who can protect your new little one.

How can you possibly say that destroying your child isn't punishment for what he did to you? I don't see how you can! If your husband doesn't want to be part of this child's life, let him go! Even if he comes around (which he very well might), do you really want his influence in your life?

Your heart has been broken. It will take time to heal. But I think you are much better off without him. It is only a matter of time before he betrays this new woman anyway.

So this child is inconvenient. Well, what he did to you is a lot more than inconvenient.

If they threaten you with trying to take your baby away from you, you still have a very strong case. The father abandoned the family and usually courts favor custody of the mother anyway. To help strengthen your case, breastfeed your baby. Do that anyway. And besides, this is just a threat. Maybe it's just a form of manipulation. You have no way of knowing. He doesn't want the complication. He's contradicting himself.

So the child came from a mistake. But God doesn't make mistakes, and He gave you this child. We don't know why, and it may take awhile before you have figured it out, but I think you will.

Just think of who is being ugly and who is innocent, and I think you will have your answer.

Well, that's my 2c worth. And by the way, you have two current children. What rational mother would hold that you should kill one of them to protect the other one?

Abortion is an ugly, violent thing to do. Your baby doesn't deserve that. Please protect your baby.

We'll be here any time you need or want to talk.

Hugs,
Pat
[> [> Subject: Re: Child not wanted by father


Author:
Tracy (Australia)
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Date Posted: 04/ 1/09 11:51am

I hope I am allowed to put in my two cents' worth here (given that I have originally posted due to my own pregnancy issues)!

First of all, I would like to say that I am very sorry to hear of your situation. You have been betrayed on every level, but that betrayal can stop right now.

The decision making process for you would seem to be very clear cut to me. For you, a termination is not an option as you don't want one (clearly) and this is not something you yourself would have contemplated without the force that this "man" (he's not being a "man" in my opinion) is trying to apply. I would like to echo the thoughts of the other contributors in that sense.

I am sure that you are also aware of the fact that post abortion traumatic stress issues come even MORE into play if a woman has been coerced into an abortion. This is well documented research.

With respect to telling your parents and/or extended family about your pregnancy - that is your right - and as Pat said, your ex husband clearly has no say in this regard whatsoever - he has forfeited all rights to have any say in anything you do. How dare he endeavour to cut off your very vital support networks at this time. Are your parents likely to be supportive of you? When I say supportive, I am meaning supportive in the sense that they will respect your clear pro life stance and uphold and respect your core values.

I will be thinking of you and looking out for more posts from you.

Kindly,
Tracy (Australia)
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Child not wanted by father


Author:
Jennifer (broken)
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Date Posted: 04/ 5/09 12:06pm

I thank you all for your support and kind words. It has gotten worse on his end, he went ahead and married the other woman, and she owns an insurance company that he once ran and he signed it over to her. They make well over 3 figures a year. He dropped off the keys to his Jeep which is in my name and said good luck paying for it, its your problem not mine. and he has over $600 in parking tickets (due within 2 weeks)that I am now going to have to pay-because the jeep is registered in my name. I am in a year long apartment lease that I can't afford-he just moved out 3 weeks ago, and when I move they said they will collect the money I owe for breaking the lease - well over a few thousand dollars. He used my credit card to make some purchases and hasn't given me one dime. He is coming to take all the furniture from my apartment because he said it was bought when he was working and I was "just a stay at home mom".

He Said "good luck collecting child support or getting any of the money that I may owe you-I have no income to claim." He has been smart and put everything in her name, and the money he promised me he said he will not give me any help unless I have the abortion-or sign over custody of the child once it is born to him and her.

I know my family will be supportive in all ways, and even his-they have talked to me and told me we all need to take responsiblity for our actions, including their son, but they can only asked him to do the right thing they can not make him anymore he is 37.

At church today they talked about when you become broken is when God shows himself to you and helps and let you become all you were meant to be. I just wonder how much worse can it get.

PS yesterday he called the child an abomination...no way can I let him have this child---i know they are just words but its wrong to say that about something you created-all I can think is he feels so bad about what he has done in the past to use and hurt me before the divorce and since that he takes out his own negative feelings about himself and transposes them to me.
[> [> Subject: Re: Child not wanted by father


Author:
Pat
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Date Posted: 04/ 8/09 9:05pm

Jennifer, I am so sorry that this horrible man is doing all this to you.

I don't think it is God's will for you to suffer like this. That's why so many people who love God are providing for people who are in the same position as you. Please go to your local crisis pregnancy agency and ask them to help you. They will. You can find one here:

pregnancycenters.org

If you don't live in the United States, let me know and I can give you another link.

You shouln't have to pay his parking tickets. That's ridiculous! Go down and talk to City Hall and see what you can do. They probably figure since you can't prove who parked the car there, you should be held liable. See if you can get a public defender or someone who will operate pro bono on that. The pregnancy agency may be able to help you there.

As for the rest of it, you might want to consider declaring bankruptcy. Not a pleasant thought, but one alternative.

Just tell this poor excuse for a man, no deal.

Keep us informed. We will pray for you.

Hugs,
Pat
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Child not wanted by father


Author:
Jennifer (Positive and Happy)
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Date Posted: 04/15/09 10:24am

I went and saw an amazing pregnacy center called REAL CHOICES. They have been so helpful!!! They didn't tell what to choice with the child just gave you the 3 options (keeping, adoption and abortion )and talked and showed videos of women who have gone through all 3 situations.
They gave me an ultrasound- I am 7 weeks along and the baby is due Nov 27th and I even heard the beautiful heartbeat :-) I am keeping the child. I know it will be hard, and I am still working and looking for income to create while working at home, so far all is good. God has shown himself to me in many ways and I feel so blessed.
They helped me with resources for free maternity or baby cloths, low cost baby products and doctors, I am really at a good state right now.

I have come to realize that whay my ex chooses to do should have nothing with what I am. I am a strong, powerful woman and I can take care of this and my other child(he still watches and engages with her very much and his very good father) I know that this child is coming for a reason and maybe that is why. To show me how strong I can be. I do thank everyone for the support on my post and all the others. It shows that this world is filled with so many good people who want to help.

I also have a meeting with my church, a pastoral counseling and also the single parents ministry who are going to help me with resources and avenues. Low cost items and such and babysitting when needed. Thank you to everyone everywhere for everything. :-)
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Author:
Lori
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Date Posted: 04/16/09 10:10am

Hi Jennifer,

That is wonderful news! I'm so excited for you, you will have to come back to the board and keep us updated!! Your in my thoughts and prayers.

God Bless,
Lori
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Author:
Heather
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Date Posted: 04/16/09 11:48am

Hi Jennifer,

What a great post to read. It sounds like you've made it over the hump to the place of peace with accepting the unexpected! I agree with you; God has been blessing you with grace.

I'm so pleased to hear you've found some good support venues for yourself and your little ones, too. The Pregnancy Resource Center sounds very ideal in it's service and I'm especially glad you are getting plugged into your church. I am always so thankful for the 'family' I have at our church, too, and it's good to build one another up in the faith and share each others lives.

I loved reading this update from you - congratulations! I hope to hear more.

With Kindness,

Heather



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