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Subject: Re: Hi Stephanie


Author:
Heather
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Date Posted: 01/ 2/08 11:47am
In reply to: stephanie 's message, "Re: Hi Stephanie" on 01/ 1/08 3:15pm

Hi Stephanie,

It's really good to see a post from you. I was disappointed because I wrote a lengthy post to you over a week ago and somehow it got lost in cyberspace and never made it to the board. That happens sometimes.

I absolutely agree with Pat, your decision to protect a human life instead of terminate it is the polar opposite of selfish. I think a lot of men struggle with perspective on the abortion issue. It's more challenging for them, I think, because they can know in their mind that the woman is pregnant but it doesn't register to the full extent of reality what it all means because it's not their body.

If it's any consolation, you're not alone at all. It seems to be a trend for a lot of men to back out of a relationship when a hoped for abortion doesn't materialize. Unfortunately, many back out after the abortion, too. Too much strain and stress for the halfway committed, as you noted.

The other good news is the same as the consolation - you're not alone! There are thousands and thousands of women who have been in your place and managed an unplanned pregnancy very well. Some women really surprise themselves.

I think just about every woman posting here is a mother themself, and knows what's entailed with having a baby - both the sheer joys and the challenges. I don't think anyone here would try to say - 'it'll be no problem!'

Clearly, it will be challenging if you have another baby. However, it will be challenging in quite different and possibly more devastating ways to have the abortion. Many post abortive women feel either months or years later that the choice was not the easy erase they thought they were signing up for. The permanence of it, of never being able to bring back the little human life ended can be extremely difficult to process and live with.

I have also observed from my own life, and the lives of others that stressful and daunting circumstances are never chronic. They have their seasons just like those of joy and ease. Most women who post here undecided about whether or not to abort experience a tremendous ease of pain and stress once the decision to walk away from abortion has been made. It's as if the biggest hurdle of inner conflict has been cleared and they are free to focus their attention and energy on 'plan b' and moving on with the unplanned pregnancy and flex with it.

Have you explored and tapped into all the resources available to you right now? If you haven't contacted your local Pregnancy Resource Center yet I highly recommend it. They have all resources available to you under one roof, and are extremely supportive and compassionate towards women working through unplanned pregnancies. All of their services are free; they've been a huge, huge help to a lot of women.

I'm glad that you've held your ground this long! And impressed with your strength. You don't have to have it all together to be doing ok right now. Try to figure out the things that are most important to you and let the other things take care of themselves.

With Kindness,

Heather

P.S. - Don't forget to take good care of yourself! It's really easy to neglect that during stressful times, but you need sleep, eat well, get a decent amount of exercise and give yourself time to think.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Hi Stephanie


Author:
luka
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Date Posted: 01/ 5/08 3:35am

Selfish? Oh that old chestnut (not!) lol. That must be the catch phrase for all abusive men. I am not kidding the amount of times i have been called selfish by a man who made me want to slit my wrists (metaphorically speaking) are numerous. I agree with the above and i am sure you realise that having your baby is not selfish at all. Having a baby is alot of work as you allready know! Thats half the reason you don't know what to do because you know the sacrafices needed to raise a child. He is being selfish by walking away. At least you are giving your baby a chance and thinking it through seriously. As i said i have 4 children and if i found myself pregnant any time soon i would be in a real pickle myself. I would be beside myself and needing to set up some sort of support network . I would probably move closer to my extended family to get the help i would need to raise another child but i know part of me would be screaming i can't do this! Believe me i understand where your head is at, or can at least imagine. How far along are you now? Can you tell me the main reason why you have not decided either way yet?

On another note my little boy turned 1 yesterday! He is nearly walking and is such a handsome adorable little boy. He's confident and outgoing and *so smart! I think back to when i was pregnant and all crap that i went through. It's a distant memory now. I have my hands well and truely full now lol. His father is remaining true to form. He's involved and doing his bit which is nice but i strongly suspect that his 'planned child' with another woman gets much more of his time attention and resources. It erks me but i don't regret having him.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Hi Stephanie


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stephanie (very tired)
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Date Posted: 01/ 7/08 12:17pm

I am now 11 weeks along. I am so physically beat from having to think and rethink this issue. I have never in my life suffered so much depression and anxiety from something. I really think that it would be a huge mistake to continue with this. I am so broke and tired already that I really don't know how I would manage. I think that the main reason why I can't decide is that my head is telling me logical and somewhat selfish reasons why it would be terrible to have this child...no money, too tired, the other children's feelings, no room in the house, almost finished with school and can finally get a job...Then on the other hand when I have went to my appointments I imagine them sucking out the baby and that totally makes me want to throw up. I am so afraid that I will feel it move and then I will be paralyed. I have no money for any preggo clothes. I haven't even bought myself underwear for ever. My b/f has managed to convince me(sorta) that he is very sorry and that he will be there for me-I almost believe him.I am not making any decision based on what he wants or even thinks at this point-all he is thinking is very literal and almost too non-emotional. Do you think that if someone does have an abortion that they will ever see their child again, maybe after death? Is that morbid? I wonder when I die if I will see it again? I am not totally religious anymore-I grew up Catholic, but was also wondering if doing that ensures that I will never go to Heaven? I will then never see my other children. I am wrestling with some very emotional issues right now and he is not someone that I can talk to about those things. He doesn't think about them-maybe I shouldn't either. I almost feel decided then, I come here and read these messages and feel different. I am such a mess. Keeping the baby will be so hard I have nothing to give another baby...nothing.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Hi Stephanie


Author:
Pat
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Date Posted: 01/ 7/08 3:43pm

Hi, Stephanie,

I am so sorry you are going through this! Have you visited a crisis pregnancy agency? They have so many answers. They can't necessarily find all the answers, but they can find enough so you can make it. They will help you with clothes. In fact, some of the women here can do that as well. I'd do it if I knew where my clothes were. Seriously. Also, go down and apply for some of the government programs for women in your position. You can get a Pell grant to help you through that final semester. You can get food at the food bank. Maybe they'll be short on some things, but you never know until you ask! The crisis pregnancy agency can help you find a better place to live if you need that. As for not having enough room for another child, I'll tell you how it was with us. We kept the baby in the room with us (some mothers sleep with their babies, and I did this part of the time with my youngest.) A baby will fit nicely in a dresser drawer for awhile. A crisis pregnancy agency can usually help you get a crib, too. We had three small rooms in a mobile home when our kids were growing up, and we had seven. The boys slept in the biggest room. There were five of them. They shared beds. The two girls had a double bed, and we had a double bed. Two of the boys shared a twin bed, and we had two of those, and then another mattress. You do what you have to do. These kids grew up responsible and hard working. They are very, very close, always there for each other. I have lost count of the number of different ways they shared a home to save money, including the married ones. Hardship can do that when you have loving parents. It isn't even good for a child to have too much.

As far as food is concerned, breastfeed your baby! It's inexpensive. You can probably get diapers.

Let the agency show you your child's picture. Meet your baby visually, and let your boyfriend meet your baby, too.

Here's a link to lists of crisis pregnancy agencies. www.pregnancycenters.org

PLEASE do this! You owe it to all of you to explore this option! Seriously.

A woman should never have to consider this decision. It robs her of her peace of mind and her joy. If you would commit yourself to protecting your baby, you would stop feeling all this stress. Clearly you don't want an abortion. You know what it does. A lot of women cannot live with themselves afterwards. An abortion can drive a huge wedge between you and God, because you won't be willing to accept His forgiveness. It doesn't guarantee you won't go to heaven, but it makes it much more difficult for most women to have that necessary relationship with God. You are not a good candidate for abortion, because you really don't want one. It could do terrible things to you emotionally and spiritually, and there are NO guarantees you won't suffer serious injury or even death. You know that your church teaches that having an abortion is a mortal sin. If you think you have depression now...! Please don't do it! There are other answers.

Let me tell you a little of my story. I had a serious, life-threatening medical problem. I was in the hospital. A man I didn't know came in and examined me. He said, "You have had a miscarriage, but there is still something in your uterus." He tried to talk me into letting him operate. I refused, but I was never so scared in all my life! A couple of days later, I found out I was still pregnant. This man would have done an abortion on me! After that, for months I had TERRIBLE nightmares of being chased by a man with a sharp knife, and a gang of rapists. I wouldn't wish that off on ANYONE. And women often have this kind of thing. That's why my heart goes out to women who have had an abortion. They can tear your baby out of your body, but they can never tear him or her out of your heart. You are already bonded, even though you don't feel movement yet (and you will soon).

You are a lot stronger than you think. Take one day at a time. Be sure and take your prenatal vitamins and get enough rest. It DOES help.

As for your boyfriend, try not to worry about him too much. He has plenty of stuff of his own to think about. He isn't going to see it from your perspective.

You have something vitally important to give your child, something no money can buy. You have your love and your protection.

We love all of you, and we will be here for you. Hang in there!

Hugs,
Pat
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Hi Stephanie


Author:
Heather
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Date Posted: 01/ 7/08 8:15pm

Hi Stephanie,

Dear one I am so sorry, too, for the anxiety and turmoil that your circumstances and indecision have caused you.

If it's any consolation, your intense emotions are completely understandable and 'normal.' It's no surprise that it's a big deal when you have heart and instincts fighting against what can look like 'common sense.'

Would it help relieve you at all to consider that sometimes common sense has to flex with the bigger things in life? If you feel aversion to terminating the life growing inside you, you have every right to act on that, in good conscience and be proud of that choice. You may feel you have nothing to offer your little one, but as mothers we know that a baby really only cares about food, sleep, and love for the first stage of it's life.

If you have monetary/provision concerns, I can't emphasize enough my agreement with Pat to check out your local Pregnancy Resource Center. The exist with compassion to help you - pregnancy clothes, baby clothes, food and financial assistance programs, free compassionate counseling...some centers even offer free ultrasounds by appointment.

Other than that, Stephanie, I can only think to lovingly encourage you to make sure you get enough sleep. First trimesters are intense with the fatigue. If you need something peaceful and hopeful to consider, try googling images of 11 week old babies. There are some beautiful ones out there.

Regarding your religious questions, I think the best One to answer those is the God who created you and me and our little ones and knows us even better than we know ourselves.

I know it's hard to see during turbulent seasons, but there is hope! Even unplanned pregnancies God can, and often does make 'beauty from ashes.'

Hang in there, it won't be this hard forever.

"Weeping endures for the night, but joy comes in the morning." ~ Psalm 30:5

With Kindness,

Heather



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