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Subject: Takes a Twist


Author:
RWR (Scared)
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Date Posted: 11/ 5/07 2:33pm

I posted a few days ago when I found out that my girlfriend was pregnant. There has been a lot of ups and down's but it feels like we are closer than ever. Through this we have opened up and been able to express how we feel and it has come down to 1 crucial decsion...the one I have to make. My GF told me last night that she would consider termination if I was not 100% sure I wanted to be with her permanently. It was an all or nothing proposition that I was not prepared for. I am not even sure where to begin to think about this. I realize that she is ready to be with me and get married. I was not there yet with her however. My mom said having a baby changes those things and that no one really is ever "ready." I thought about that..and there was a time a few months ago when I thought our relationship was dwindeling down. But things have normalized lately. Now everything in fuzzy. I can't tell how I feel about anything. I am left with this choice that I don't know how to make and I am terrified. If she gets the pregnancy terminated and it leaves an emotional scar on her I would not be able to live with myself. If we have the baby and I find that I was not as deeply in love with her as I thought, then we have a child that will grow up in a home with two people that don't love each other. How do I make this choice. We have a week before we leave for the UK on vacation and she asked that I figure this out before then. I feel like there is a bomb timer on my forehead and I have to figure out which wire to cut. I realize that no one can tell me what is right or wrong here, but anything words of wisdom will help.

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[> Subject: Re: Takes a Twist


Author:
Laurel
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Date Posted: 11/ 5/07 6:21pm

Hi, RWR, I haven't posted here in a while, mostly due to late pregnancy health troubles, and my daughter being born on Sep. 25. I don't usually offer my opinion, but for some reason your last post really stirred me. When I got pregnant it totally came out of nowhere for me, at the worst possible time, so I remember all too well how scared and alone I felt at first. I won't be the one to tell you what I think is right or wrong because I cannot make that decision, but I will give you my opinion if you want it. I left my ex when I found out I was pregnant because he is very mentally/emotionally unstable, and I wanted to shield my daughter from the pain living with that causes. I think maybe your girlfriend is freaking out a little bit about possibly being alone with a child that was not planned, which is understandable, but there are other things to be considered as well. Basing her decision on whether or not you are 100% ready to be with her permanently is not healthy for anyone involved; you, her or the baby. You have already thought of one good reason; having the child grow up in a home full of anger and resentment, or with parents who don't love each other. Even if you were apart, the baby would still have two parents that loved it. Also, either way, this situation is going to be a life altering one for her, whether she terminates or not. Ultimately, the decision to terminate is hers, and you are definitely not forcing her into it. If she did choose to do so, I don't think you should consider it to be your fault if you really felt you weren't ready to commit to her 100%. That's a hefty decision, and certainly shouldn't be decided upon in only a week (I feel). Also, do you really know yet how YOU feel about the baby? I know it can be an emotional roller coaster. If you want it, your wants should be considered as well. Personally, I wouldn't give anything for my little one. You always hear that and it may seem kind of trite from where you are sitting, but for me it's completely true. I guess my only advice would be to sit her down and explain to her that you understand how stressed and scared she is about all of this, that you are too, and the best thing is for both of you to really sit and look at all the possible scenarios and options and decide what is best from there. It doesn't have to be done next week, but when you are both ready and confident in your decisions. Making decisions when you are confused and scared is rarely the best time for it. Life is rarely black and white, and there may be multiple positive options and outcomes, even if it is not the one you originally hoped for. Hopefully my advice can at least ease your mind a little, I hope I haven't offended you or stepped over the line or anything. In the meantime, try and enjoy your trip to the UK, that sounds like a great time and a good way get your minds on other things. It may help to clear your minds about this issue as well if you spend a little time on other things. Best wishes to both of you, and I hope you can find an answer that both of you can feel comfortable with. Best regards,
Laurel
[> Subject: Re: Takes a Twist


Author:
Pat
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Date Posted: 11/ 5/07 7:15pm

Hi, RWR,

Wow! That's a tough one! Before I tell you what I recommend, let me tell you about my own experience.

We have seven children, and two of them are adopted. The younger adopted one had a very short affair with a woman (3 weeks, he says), and she conceived and had a child. They're not married. I am pretty sure that she wants to get married, but he's a little leery because he had a failed marriage once before, and she has a few issues (though not nearly as many as before he met her). The situation is complicated by some other things I won't go into. What I want to tell you about this situation is that they have dated on and off. When we learned they had a son, I told him they SHOULD get married, but that I wouldn't harp on it. He's the kind of person who will take what I say seriously, and harping isn't even necessary. Anyway, the situation currently is that they each have an apartment, and they both work, and they arranged their schedules so that when one of them is working, the other one is taking care of their son. He is 2 now, and very well behaved. They have good discipline with him. I am also proud of him because his mother is teaching him Spanish, so he is becoming bilingual, which is always a good thing. Everyone loves our grandson, and everyone loves his mother, and she is accepted as part of the family.

Now with that background, I suggest that you tell my story to your girlfriend. Also, I recommend the following:

1. tell her that you can't make that decision so quickly because if you do, it may be for the wrong reasons, and that ultimately would be detrimental.

2. tell her that this is your child as well as hers and you want her to protect your baby, and that there is no possibility you will stay together if she harms your baby (which is undoubtedly true anyway, because that's what happens in most such situations). In a sense, you are handing her an ultimatum to go along with hers, but I think the situation is critical. In other words, tell her that it is out of the question for the two of you to stay together if she gets an abortion, even though right now you can't assure her that you are 100% certain you two should get married.

Tell her that you don't appreciate the ultimatum. Tell her that you need time to make sure it is the right thing for you. Acknowledge that she is ready to get married, and tell her you will give it serious thought, and you are leaning in that direction.

There are several other people she will harm if she has an abortion. Besides subjecting her baby to a gruesome death, she will harm herself, you, your mom, and other family members. Ask her if she would marry YOU if you told her that if she didn't marry you, you would kill your brother or yourself! I feel she is trying to manipulate you. One of our sons told me later that his wife told him while they were going together if they didn't get married, she would commit suicide. Do you see the comparison? If I had known that before they got married, I would have advised him not to marry her! Tell her that her ultimatim is working against your making a decision.

You could do as our son and his son's mother are doing. Take it one step at a time.

Just tell her how her ultimatim is hurting your relationship. She needs to give you some space. But threatening you that if you don't agree to marry her right now, she will kill your child, is an indication to me, at least, that she's not ready to make a commitment. If she can't commit to her child, how can she commit to you? She needs to protect her child regardless of what you do.

Have a discussion with her and raise these points. Good luck! Let us know if anything else comes up or if you have more questions, and let us know how it goes. We'll be praying for you.

Take care,
Pat
[> [> Subject: Re: Takes a Twist


Author:
Tracey
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Date Posted: 11/ 6/07 6:09am

RWR~
Hello...wow! I'm sure she really threw you for a loop when she asked you to make this decision. I have thought about this for awhile. And I have come to this conclusion--from what I've gathered, I believe she is testing you. She wants to make sure you are committed to her and this baby. I honestly don't think she would go for an abortion if you told her that is what you wanted and I don't think you two would last again if she actually did go through with the termination--she would be bitter and resentful towards you. But this is so much more complicated than what's at the surface. You have to realize she's dealing with her hormones as well. I have had 4 children(see top right of page) and KNOW first hand how pregnancy hormones effect your state of mind, especially in the first trimester. She's craving for your comfort right now and for you to rescue her from these doubts. What's even more complicated is that you don't even know what you are feeling yourself. While termination sometimes may seem like an easy fix, it is SOOO much more complicated. Your girlfriend will always have bitterness and resentment towards you and the likelihood of you two staying together after a termination is about 99% in favor of breaking up. Please, this is my honest opinion of what she's feeling right now. I think her feelings are even more complicated than yours right now. She's in charge of carrying this baby right now, she's scared to death you will up and leave...because that is a reality and very common! She's desperately seeking your approval and support in all of this, as much as taking this drastic measure and asking you to decide this child's fate. Again, I think this is ALL a test! If she wanted to terminate this pregnancy, she would have done it immediately. I think your concerns or nervous behavior is scaring her. I can tell you what I believe she wants...now it's your choice on how to handle this and deliver it. She wants you to tell her that you've thought long and hard about what she asked you to do. She wants to hear you say that you love her and support her and will be there throughout this pregnancy and raising this child. She wants to know that you are her soft place and that she can count on you to support her through all of this. She can't be happy right now because she probably fears that if she allows herself to be excited about this pregnancy, it will freak you out--that reality will set in and you will skip town on her. She needs to hear that you WILL be there no matter what. This is your child just as much as it is hers. You both made this little one together. RWR, she JUST needs your support! And by the way, 29 is a great age to have children. I just turned 30 and have 4! :) You CAN do this! You just have to set your mind to it. You have to come to terms with the fact that it is what it is and this could be a REALLY cool thing! I can promise you that you are not alone in this! We promise to be here any time you need to talk. Remember, she NEEDS you! I think it would be really amazing if you went on your trip already knowing that this child is coming and see it as a celebration! Again, this is just my opinion! Please continue to come back any time and as often as you need to!
God bless,
Tracey



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