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Subject: Re: Terminated the pregnancy


Author:
Pat
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Date Posted: 08/14/09 1:39pm
In reply to: Kristen 's message, "Terminated the pregnancy" on 08/13/09 6:50pm

Hi, Kristen,

Thank you for writing back twice. I'd like to add a few thoughts of my own.

I can't speak for the moderators here, but I'll tell you how I handle moderation elsewhere. I want to make sure that nobody gives medical advice. None of us is a doctor. It's often easy for a woman who has your perspective to say something that could be construed that way, and anybody involved in the loop of conveying that information to a woman could get into trouble, especially if the woman suffers damage.

Abortion is unique in the sense that it is rare for there to be a medical reason for it, so all of the risks have no counterbalancing risks at all. Doctors are supposed to first do no harm, and that means, among other things, weighing the possible risks of acting against the possible risks of not acting. In the case of abortion, since there is no medical risk of not acting in most cases, giving a woman an abortion is not a sound medical decision.

I agree that anybody who has done lots of research is in a position to be more satisfied with the ultimate decision, no matter what it is. But I have seen that complications are no respecter of persons, and even a woman who is very sure of her decision could get badly hurt. In particular pill abortions are killing a lot of women in India (they either bleed to death, or they may get toxic shock syndrome, which kills within hours). And that's not the only place this is happening. I know one abortionist who is still recommending that pills be used vaginally, which is what causes toxic shock syndrome. That abortionist shrugs off any possibilities of serious damage, but recommending they be used vaginally is no longer standard practice in the US because of the dangers, and it appalls me that some abortionists will still make these kinds of recommendations. How can we know that a woman will be in safe hands, when we know there are so many back alley types still operating? I don't know. I do know from extensive research that abortion damages the reproductive system of over 1/3 of the women who get abortions, and I also have worked with women who were certain of their decision, who then became suicidal. In addition, a woman has a heightened risk of suicide six times what it would be if she carried. And drug abuse and alcohol abuse are common. So are homicide and fatal car accident. Abortion also causes the incidence of cerebral palsy in future children to double, and it also causes epilepsy and autism. Abortion makes childbirth much more risky in the future, and increases the chance of death, but these are attributed to the birth, and not to the abortion, even though without the abortion, this wouldn't happen. And abortion also causes breast cancer. So many of my close friends who have had abortions have had serious problems. There isn't a single exception. The fact that most people think abortion is relatively safe is the result of propaganda, not facts. Abortion is really very dangerous, and a lot of women never talk about the problems they have suffered. I'm sorry, but I have no choice but to try to warn women, and I do my best to warn them as gently as I can. Just before you came, I had seen that video of the woman being transported to the hospital, and it really upset me. Of course I know this happens all the time, but it's different to be an eyewitness, and I hope you understand why I felt the need to warn you. I try to listen to MY heart, and my heart said to warn you. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm also in the dark because I don't know you, and I can't watch how you are reacting to what I say. For any hurt I have caused you, I apologize.

I try to warn women because I love you. I don't want to see anyone get hurt. I hear what you are saying when you say that it would also be troublesome for you to have a child. I'm sorry you feel this way, but please know there is support for women who choose to carry. We have a lot of freedom of speech here, and too many of us know what the risks are, and for us to keep silent would be to be complicit in the fraud that is being promoted by the abortion support movement and the media. We have to speak up. Perhaps it makes people uncomfortable, but we really can't conceal what we know. That would be wrong. You also will be able to post here, to other women, and I am sure the moderator will approve your message provided it doesn't endanger the other woman in any way. And yes, you are not the only woman who posts here who believes abortion should be legal.

I have worked with far too many women who were OK with their abortion to begin with, until they got blindsided. I call it blindsiding when something triggers a woman to cause all the feelings deep inside to come to the surface where she is aware of them, and often, a woman is not equipped to deal with it. I want to warn you as well. Here is a web site which is run by a woman who is in favor of legal abortion. www.afterabortion.com. I know this woman and she is a good person. She is trying to deal with women who have suffered emotional repercussions, and she gets a lot of flak for doing this. She specifically warns people not to say anything that might be triggering. This is her term for what I have just described. It can be anything: a movie, a conversation, seeing a baby in public, seeing a picture in a medical textbook, or a thoughtless comment. I try very hard not to make thoughtless comments, but we're all human.

Just know that we WILL be here to support you any time you need it.

And I hope this message doesn't hurt you in any way. If it does, it was unintended.

Hugs,
Pat

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Author:
Heather
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Date Posted: 08/14/09 3:32pm

Wow, what a gracious exchange of views. It's so great to see that level of respect.

Kristen, I wish the best for you. You are a woman made in the image of God, and are of great value. I understand where the other women are coming from in posting their own thoughts. I'm glad Shelly posted your decision post because it would have been unnecessary censorship not to, and I also think it's awesome that Pat and others are able to share their views on human life and abortion. It's a truth and side that needs to be heard.

For every woman who feels abortion was the right choice for her to make, there are as many who are devastated by it, and wish they had been more informed and less pressured. Many of these women have posted on here, sharing the grief and trauma of a regretted choice years later. As women, it is truly heartbreaking. I think it does a service to women to hear the whole story so they can make a truly informed choice.

Of course what it always ends at is whether or not one regards the fetus as a real human life, or something lesser that is not protected by human rights. Most women here are convinced of the sanctity of human life as a continuum from conception to death, and so they post their thoughts accordingly.

I respect you equally and am genuinely sorry for the trial you have had these past weeks, and the end result. May the weeks ahead be filled with rest, clarity, and abundant grace.

Hopefully they gave you good after care instructions at the abortion clinic - but be sure to eat a lot high iron foods and maybe even take some supplements. Lots of rest.....

Take Care,

Heather

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