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Current POG, POS, POP & U$D Live Price -- CHARTs, 03:07:29 11/04/03 Tue

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Al Qaeda again threatens New York, Washington and Los Angeles -- Debka, 02:35:07 11/04/03 Tue

Fair use snip from www.debka.com

Monday, November 3, 2003

A new message was posted in the last few hours by the Jeddah-based al-Qaeda-linked Al-Islah (Reform) society calling on Muslims to flee New York, Washington and Los Angeles in advance of major al Qaeda attacks in those cities. This is revealed by DEBKAfile.

The message accuses the United States of predetermining its end (doom) by its policies. “The Jews rule the Pentagon by remote control and (are the cause) of Muslims being killed in every corner of the world. The United States should therefore expect more blows.”

The message is signed on behalf of the al Bayan (The Threat) movement by “your warrior brother, Abul Hassan al Khadrami”.

Our Muslim expert identifies the name of the signatory as belonging to a Yemeni from Hadhrameuth, the Bin Ladens’ place of origin where Osama enjoys substantial tribal support.

DEBKAfile’s counter-terror sources stress that warnings appearing on these forums are taken both very seriously and with caution by the intelligence services keeping track of the terrorist network’s electronic traffic.

Last November, Jeddah-based fundamentalist forums addressed a message to an Al Qaeda member, saying whoever understands – understands; whoever knows, knows, but we are marching towards an operation that will take us to Paradise. Three days later, the Mombasa Paradise hotel was blown up killing 12 Kenyans and 3 Israelis and a failed shoulder-launched Strela anti-air missile missed an Israeli airliner at Mombasa airport.

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Early Warning Report -- 6pack, 00:16:28 11/04/03 Tue

In Richard Maybury's Nov-Dec 2003 EWR:

* The primary way Washington acquires allies is by buying them
* Will George Bush be ordered to throw the election so that democrats get the blame for the Iraq war the way Nixon and the republicans were blamed for the Vietnam War?
* The only way the war can end is through a dramatic shift in Washtington's foreign policy.
* The federal deficit will continue out of control
* Why Washington's NATO allies offer only token help and secretly hope for a US debacle in Iraq.
* Bush has called for a devaluation of the dollar; this makes big profits in raw materials and foreign currencies highly likely.
* Why the Bush Doctrine makes serious inflation a near certainty.
* The lies and mistakes in the Iraq war damaged Washington's credibility so much that after almost 60 years, Germany is making its comeback on the world stage, jumping in to fill the vacuum left by Washington's vanishing influence
* Oh, yes, a 50-50 chance Bush will nuke someone in 2004.

Yep, 2004 will do anything but put y'all to sleep.

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Gold to exceed "fringe" pricing? -- Goldus, 23:15:08 11/03/03 Mon

Because the Comex trades so little physical gold compared to LBMA, Dubai, etc it is in close contention for the title of "barbarous relic". Were it located anywhere else, it would by now have been encrusted in the financial septic system.
But now it accelerates around the rim of history's toilet bowl, towards it's long-sought, real and fair market place of honor, in tulip purgatory- The Royal Scatalogical Museum or Ripley's Financial Believe It or Not.
Perhaps then the British Pound will join the U.S. dollar in acquiring a modern makeover, manicure and suntan under the sultry lights of Bollywood, Monte Carlo or the French Riviera to become so properly compatible with the sweetheart starlet on the world stage- the Euro -consort of the king of currencies, gold. And revalued to be compatible with global BIS style, international plumbing standards. The more things change the more they stay the same.

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cot -- qwerty, 18:00:55 11/03/03 Mon

===
sinclair ...
COT in their ego-driven arrogance expanded their short position to depress the gold price, disregarding the enormous loss their short position in gold represents.
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i remember seeing a blip at sinclair's site saying dollar could go to 101 ... said gold could go down low around 357 to 367

if their going even more short then maybe they expect dollar to retest fibonacci support on the upper end which is within the realm of realistic possibilities

couldn't japan just print up a mountain of yen and feed it into the market

the europeans could come in with support for the dollar

i think they still have ways to manipuylate things although if dollar goes to 101, i would expect a lot of shorting of dollar at that point

even if the commer\r

the other aspect is that the COT shorts will keep shorting it even over 400 or 450 ... can't imagine them doing any covering without causing a price explosion ...

as far as thie cost, they have already made a ton of money through out the years so could give some back as repayment for the inside information

they seem to have bank accounts with infinite amount of digits

although if the stalker makes a purchase ...

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Mongolia -- volavka, 16:32:27 11/03/03 Mon

He who owns the gold rules....
Look @ ivanhoe and magr today. end of story.
magr drill results come in and this stock will rock.

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The Flaw....Ref: auspec 17:47 Sun -- beesting, 12:30:05 11/03/03 Mon

I read and mostly understood the 2 piller goal outlined at:

http://www.afr.org/mission.html

The first piller,"USA must go back to Gold money", I agree with 100%, however the author may be a newbie when it comes to understanding exactly what would happen if the USA went back to a Gold standard.

This is what Ron Paul says about Goldmoney, page 325 of "The Ron Paul Money Book:
".....because we can't print Gold........limited government and sound money go together."

Hence, Ron Paul believes as I do that the eventual outcome of a Goldmoney system would be a much,much smaller government payroll, which would eventually lead to much,much, fewer taxes required to collect, and at the SAME time much more spendable income would go into the pockets of "The Producers of Wealth".

The second piller on the authors platform at:

http://www.afr.org/mission.html

Deals with a flat rate of taxation for all Americans.
Unfortunately he has been led to believe that taxation is a necessary evil. I disagree strongly! As I believe Ron Paul does also.

First of all lets point out that the USA operated quite well on the Gold standard where the only form of revenue was from tariffs and duties which would be added into shipping and handling charges on goods when going into transit for shipment, and arriving at American ports of entry.
Apparently this system worked quite well(before 1913) as the U.S. treasury could set the amounts of tariffs & duties to be collected,,,,,Very similar to what Mr. Greenspan & company do about setting interest rates today.(trying to regulate the U.S. dollar money supply)

The U.S. government, and local state and city and county governments already collects billions maybe trillions of paper dollars which are already included in the everyday goods and services Americans end up spending their money for.
Some examples:
1. Gasoline taxes.
2. Import taxes.
3. New telephone use taxes(check your next phone bill)
4. Licenses, fees, & permits for everything under the sun.
5. Real estate taxes.
6. sales taxes, etc. etc. etc. to infinity....
And the list goes on and on and on!!!

My friends the U.S. government[s] at all levels, has evolved into a giant behemoth octopus type entity which is still un-controlably growing, with probably over 100 million tentacles that continously suck the wealth produced from everyone and is now ingaged in actively trying to suck the wealth from other countries.

Lets speculate:
The real reason the USA has become aggressive internationally is to eventually COLLECT MORE REVENUE (wealth) from foriegn lands since the USA itself has reached its limit on creating enough wealth to pay its own bills and at the same time keep the dumbed down American citizens happy.
What do you think will happen when gvt. pensions and perks at all levels begin to slowly stop?
They already are at the state level, but who is getting hurt? Answer the poorest segment of society, handicapped,schoolchildren,elderly, etc. etc.

How was this monster created?
By using the U.S. paper dollars backed by debt and created and collected thru TAXATION at every government level.

Sooooo, in summary the second piller is not a way to end taxation and a constantly growing government because as the personal income tax is slowly lowered the government will simply add many,many more ""HIDDEN"" taxes in goods and services to make up for the short-fall.

I believe, as I believe Ron Paul does also, the only way out of the economic mess America has created for itself is to go back to a "SOUND" Gold monetary system.......However Dr. Paul also states in his book that there may be a terrible economic collapse of the U.S. dollar(because most Americans have been duped by TPTB) before a Gold monetary system will be re-instated once again.

Thanks For Reading..........beesting.

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Dollar -- Netking, 11:58:54 11/03/03 Mon

inverse relationship to POG, no brainer.

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volavka -- qwerty, 10:35:48 11/03/03 Mon

i say the cabal should just unload everything ...

i say feck the washington agreement ... each country unloads to their own delight

do a massive gold dump ... no more fecking around

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dec stops -- volavka, 09:44:55 11/03/03 Mon

are @ 376/378, need to push off these and close back over 380.

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Armstrong -- volavka, 09:17:31 11/03/03 Mon

sits while the scum walks.

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Planting -- jomama, 08:57:33 11/03/03 Mon

Funny how ya kin plant a seed...and sometimes it sprouts.

re: Bitching about ur country.

Get over it.

Ain't none of 'em perfect.

Never will be.

But I'll bitch along with the best of 'em.

About any of 'em.

Dolts know no borders.

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"Ramadan Mubarak!" -- OmarD, 08:40:23 11/03/03 Mon

Heard "read" last night during evening "Tarawi" Ramadan prayers...felt was worth "rebroadcasting" for some whom may "appreciate" here...

"Bissmilla Al'Rahman Al'Raheim"

Sura III. (Al-i-‘Imran ‘The Family of Imran’) (“Imran” – The father of Moses), verses 55-58

(Yousef Ali “Translation”)

55. Behold! God said:
“O Jesus! I will take thee
And raise thee to Myself
And clear thee (of all the falsehoods)
Of those who blaspheme;
I will make those
Who follow thee superior
To those who reject faith,
To the Day of Resurrection:
Then shall ye all
Return unto me,
And I will judge
Between you of the matters
Wherein ye dispute.”

56. “As to those who reject faith,
I will punish them
With terrible agony
In this world and in the Hereafter,
Nor will they have
Anyone to help.”

57. “As to those who believe
And work righteousness,
God will pay them (in full)
Their reward;
But God loveth not
Those who do wrong.”

58. “ This is what we rehearse
Unto thee of the Signs
And the message of Wisdom.”

59. “The similitude of Jesus
Before God is as that of Adam;
He created him from dust,
Then said to him: “BE”
And he was.”

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All the controversies about dogma and faith will disappear when we appear before God. He will judge not by what we profess, but what we are.

Assallam allaykum,

OmarD

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Gold should be -- volavka, 06:42:13 11/03/03 Mon

limit up right now, criminals rule in cowboy capitalism.

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snake behind the tree -- volavka, 06:39:35 11/03/03 Mon

next time go for the head shot, 38 no good, get the 50 cal.

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This was going on -- volavka, 06:03:38 11/03/03 Mon

Back in the 70s' certain floor traders would cover all spreads after mkts closed for a"stink" ( 1/16).

Only know does the stinking sec try to cover their dirty tracks.

The system is finished.
Mkts moving off shore.
U.S. banana note in land of puppets.
Matrix rules....

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Current POG, POS, POP & U$D Live Price -- CHARTs, 04:18:03 11/03/03 Mon

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Don't offend your local American Embassy . . . -- Ag_Eagle, 01:29:01 11/03/03 Mon

Yep, a local was arrested on “misuse of a telephone” [to send an email] under the Telecommunications Act. The charge relates to an email sent to the US Embassy which contained political objections to the US invasion of Iraq.

The writers email contained some harsh truths for the American government whose attack on Iraq was immoral and illegal. The most recent analysis of deaths of Iraqi citizens puts the figure killed in the initial invasion at 15,000 with many more having been killed since.

It appears clear that the American embassy has pressured the police – possibly via the Minister of Police or Minister of Foreign Affairs - to put pressure on foreign activists who [to date] have been very effective in mobilising public opposition against American foreign policy . . . but the times, they may be a changing.

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Periodic Ponzi Update PPU -- $hifty, 01:24:07 11/03/03 Mon

Ponzi Chart

Periodic Ponzi Update PPU

Nasdaq 1,932.21 + Dow 9,801.12 = 11,733.33 divide by 2 = 5,866.66 Ponzi

Up 142.64 from last week.

Thanks for the link RossL !

Go GATA !

Go Gold !

$hifty

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THANKS MUCH Sir Auspec... -- OmarD, 23:04:54 11/02/03 Sun

Re: "Hultberg" & "AFR"

Finally a "cause" and people worthy of full support!

They certainly have all mine...sending some today...

Rgds,

OmarD

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Wanted...................FIREBRANDS! -- auspec, 17:47:07 11/02/03 Sun

Here's another American Patriot.. Nelsom Hultberg & his "Sons of Liberty" piece {snippets}:

http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/hultberg/2003/1022.html

Fair use copyright

Americans for a Free Republic (AFR) is now a reality, and we have a scintillating website up to spread our message. Our website is meant to be a RALLYING POINT around which all lovers of freedom throughout the world can coalesce. It is meant to be a revolutionary force that can gather together the talent, money, and ideas to challenge the black limousine crowd in Washington and finally end their monstrous Leviathan.

Visit our website http://www.afr.org and learn:

Why all political third parties fail.

How to correct the two major flaws that doom third parties to ineffectuality.

How our innovative strategy will dramatically revolutionize politics in America.

How gold money and equal tax rates are the weapons to bring this about.

How we can stop the growth of Big Government cold.

As noted above AFR's goal is educational; it is not to ACTUALLY FORM the Liberty Party. That will come later by the appropriate professionals and operatives skilled in such matters. We are only interested in educating people about the necessity of doing so along the lines of our innovative "two pillars strategy." We plan to build a massive constituency of prominent, influential, educated, rebellious Americans -- a vanguard to spread throughout the country, to do the actual selling of the idea of a Third Party based upon "gold money and equal tax rates." We wish to be the hub of the wheel that generates thousands of spokes (dedicated activists) that branch out and proselytize all the people in their respective spheres of influence.

Our site content is geared toward the intelligent reader and viewer. We don't wish to try and educate the masses. We wish to reach the intelligentsia of society, who then will sell their fellow intelligentsia. Once a sizeable portion of this group has been won over, the masses will follow.

Who are the intelligentsia? All those of you in this world who understand the power of ideas in the unfolding of history. You may be a teacher, a scholar, a pastor, an entrepreneur, a banker, a soldier, an artist, a publisher, a moviemaker, a laborer. But whatever your calling, the one common fabric you share is the understanding that ideas matter, that history moves toward the good because of RIGHT IDEAS, and that it moves toward evil because of WRONG IDEAS. It is fallacy and sophistry that are the main precursors to dictatorship.

This is the nature of all mass movements in history. This is how the American Revolution was launched. Only a small portion of the colonists were actually for independence from Britain at the time. But they were the intelligentsia -- influential, prominent, educated, and rebellious. They were leaders in their personal spheres of influence. Their cause began in the 1760's via Patrick Henry in Virginia along with Samuel Adams, John Hancock and the Sons of Liberty in Massachusetts. The Sons of Liberty got together every month or so in the local taverns of Boston, and then expanded their gathering in the early 1770's to Boston's famous Old South Meeting-house where thousands of fellow rebels joined to show their true colors to the Tories. Out of this came the Boston Tea Party in December of 1773, which led to Lexington and Concord -- "the shot heard around the world" -- and full-blown revolution. It was the Sons of Liberty acting as the hub of the wheel, and the intrepid spokes they established, that set the colonies on fire with the desire for independence from Britain. It was their provocative thinking and firebrand personalities that spread the idea of revolution throughout the land.

AFR hopes to become today's Sons of Liberty, to convince the American people to abandon the despotic Demopublican policies of PAPER MONEY and PROGRESSIVE TAXES -- to restore gold backing to our currency and eventually abolish all forms of income taxation. This is to be done through an innovative Third Party strategy that will force the enactment of radical monetary and tax reform. The New Sons of Liberty will come from every walk of life; but the inspiration that will bring them together will be their love of liberty and a resolute refusal to kowtow to the contemptible shams of Demopublicanism.

Actually AFR is not laying the groundwork for a Third Party, but for a Second Party. We mean to adamantly challenge the statist establishment in America (which is the one-party monopoly of Demopublicanism). There are several million potential AFR patriots out there -- highly intelligent and desirous of "doing the right thing" in life. All of these patriots are leaders in their workplaces, their communities, their churches, their myriad spheres of influence. Perhaps you the reader are one of them. AFR's goal is to convince you that the right thing to do is to withdraw your sanction of Gargantua's welfare state. Our website http://www.afr.org hopefully will become a modern version of Boston's Old South Meeting-house where all members of AFR can coalesce to renew their spirit, to use as a recruitment tool for others to join the fight just as the original Patriots did in the years leading up to 1776. Once the country's intelligentsia has been won over to our cause, then the masses will follow and the Demopublican regime will crumble like the Berlin Wall.

Oliver Wendell Holmes said that, "A man must become a part of the action and passion of his times, lest he be judged not to have lived." The goals of AFR will thrust its members squarely into the action and passion of our times, which we feel are destined to become the most tumultuous to descend upon our nation since its beginning. We seek the doers, the dissidents, the contrarians to join our hub and build a New Sons of Liberty for the 21st century. There are still numerous Berlin Walls to bring down.

We are far from a majority in America today, but as Samuel Adams told his fellows in 1773 in the build-up to the Boston Tea Party, "It does not take a majority to prevail...but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." Herein lies the goal of AFR. We intend to set brushfires of freedom throughout America. We intend to spread those brushfires until the flames and heat of resistance are so intense that Washington's tyrannical elites can no longer continue their usurpation of our rights. While the Clintons, Bushes, Rubins, Cheneys and Rumsfelds of today's America are different in method, they are basically the same in principle to Mikhail Gorbachev and Nicolae Ceausescu of yesterday's Russia and Romania. AFR intends to see that such Washington elites meet the same fate as their communist counterparts. While we do not intend to duplicate the Romanians treatment of Ceausescu, we certainly intend to duplicate the Russians' refutation of the weasel-tyrant Gorbachev. And we mean to extend such refutation to all future Demopublicans.

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Comment: The Aaron Russo Presidential campaign Platform was announced by GATA in New Orleans this weekend. 12 points that free market and honest money advocates will applaud enthusiastically. To be put up at www.Russofor President.com in the near future.

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How Hard Could it Be.........REALLY?! -- auspec, 16:59:58 11/02/03 Sun

The following snippet is from Alex Wallenwein's article at LeMet entitled "The Anti-Gold Camp's Last 'Big Guns'":

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COMEX is "Overbought." Prices will Collapse.

Who cares about the COMEX, anymore? In a few years, COMEX will be utterly irrelevant to the world of gold, and its current price-discovery function will be a distant memory.

COMEX is to ninety-nine percent a cash-settlement market. That means that only one percent of COMEX plays are ever actually delivered in specie. That market will only survive as long as it remains lined-up with this secular bull-trend in gold. Should COMEX raise the margin requirements again a few more times, people seeking to trade real gold will simply go elsewhere, like, say, Dubai, for example. (The Euro vs Dollar Currency War Monitor's upcoming seventh issue has some surprising facts about the future of gold trading in the world. The price-setting function of gold trading will soon be performed in the physical market - and it likely won't happen in the United States, the way things are going.)

Right now, the COMEX is going up nicely, but that's mainly because the Arabs and Chinese are jabbing at the dollar. Sooner or later, COMEX will lose its relevance. Those CFTC guys had better look for a job somewhere!

END..............fair use copyright.

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Look @ G-E for this article in its entirety soon. Once again, Wallenwein is CLEARLY an ANOTHER disciple if not an out and out Friend! The price setting mechanism for world gold only delivers 1% of the time!! Might just be time to hasten the demise of Comex gold and silver, ne? They can raise the margins as high as they want.........if you have the margin money and take delivery you get a world class paper gold price for real physical gold and your margin money back. This is gold as cheap as the "Stalker" is getting and you can do your countrymen a favor in the process, w/o a trip to London!

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Richard Russell Sees Market Immoralities -- auspec, 16:15:23 11/02/03 Sun

From www.dailyreckoning.com fair use copyright:

The Daily Reckoning
Weekend Edition
01 November 2003, All Saints Day
New Orleans, Louisiana
By Addison Wiggin and Eric Fry

MARKET REVIEW: Russall Says – Gold To Reach $556

The Dow Jones Industrial Average put the finishing touches on
another winning month by advancing 2.3% last week to 9,80. The
Nasdaq performed even more brilliantly last week, gaining 3.6% to
1,932. October wasn't such a frightening month after all,
although it scared the daylights out of a few short-sellers.

The Dow and Nasdaq both defied the ghosts of Octobers past. "With
Halloween passed," remarked Barron's Michael Santoli, "the market
has made it through its toughest seasonal period unscathed.
September and October are historically the worst for stock
returns, but since the end of August the Dow is up 4.1% and the
Nasdaq ahead by 6.7%."

Meanwhile, the gold market is compiling an equally impressive
record, having advanced six out of the last seven months. The
yellow metal added only a dime during October, but has gained
more than $45 since the end of March.

The stock market and the gold market do not typically track
together. And it's a bit mysterious that they would be doing so
now. But their apparent synchronicity is more accidental than
indicative, according to Richard Russell, editor of The Dow
Theory Letters. As Russell sees it, the pricey stock market will
soon veer off into a ditch, while the gold market will continue
chugging along.

Russell, appearing via live video-feed from San Diego, told the
crowded auditorium of conference-goers in New Orleans that the
gold bull market is for real and that it is in its infancy. It's
bullish technical picture is a mirror image of the stock
market's, he explained.

To support of his assertions, Russell noted, "The S&P 500's
20-month moving average has crossed down through its 40-month
moving average, thereby indicating that stocks remain in a
primary bear market.

"But look at the picture in the gold market," Russell urged the
audience. "The picture is a mirror image of the stock market. The
20-month moving average of the gold price is crossing UP through
the 40-month moving average, which shows that gold is in a
primary bull market."

"Gold is now in the accumulation phase," he says. "Gold is moving
to strong hands from weak hands... $556 per ounce is the first
target."

Russell colored his dispassionate technical analysis with a bit
of macro-economic fire-and-brimstone. "The system of fiat money
is really immoral, almost evil. It will not last. Most of us will
live to see the complete destruction of the U.S. dollar," the
octogenarian stack market observer predicted. "When the dollar
collapses, all hell is gonna break loose in the system.
Regards,

Eric Fry,
The Daily Reckoning

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Comment: Russell is to be commended for his boldness and discernment, same w the DR for reporting it.

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Back @ the Ranch........The "Stalker", Sinclair, etc -- auspec, 15:25:13 11/02/03 Sun

I was told by a quite credible source that it is the LBMA where the "Stalker" is buying his $1B plus of gold and, of course, that makes perfect sense because London is where physical transactions occur for the most part. It was also confirmed that CRIMEX could NOT handle an order of this magnitude..........it would simply implode. YET, very few of those that fully comprehend this anomoly are willing to advocate the demand for physical delivery in massive size on Comex. "The time is not right" they say.

Meanwhile the paper price setting mechanism continues unabated and remains the center of attention of gold bugs' focus. Personally, I believe that now is EXACTLY the time to start the encouragement of physical demand for gold as well as silver on Crimex. Run it honest or shut it down! Do you want a free gold market or not?! This is the fulcrum of manipulated gold and it has a tremendous vulnerability at that exact same spot. THROW THE DAMN TEA INTO THE OCEAN RIGHT NOW!!

Silver would be even more vulnerable to physical demand than gold, because in reality, it is greatly scarcer {above ground}, in known quantities, than gold. I was told "It's a major hassle" to take delivery and "They make it very hard to take delivery"...........gee, I wonder why? In the end they have to put up or shut up........the rules state that it is the customers' rights to demand delivery. This process of demanding delivery, in size, by MANY unrelated parties is EXACTLY what is required. There is NO intent to "corner" a market when an army of unassociated "ants" DEMAND accountability on our national markets. The process needs to start ASAP in order to end the crooked markets ASAP. The longer we wait the longer we're held under their dishonest hands.

If a $1B order will "blow up" Crimex gold, how muich could it take to do the same for Crimex silver? A fraction of that amount for sure. How many individuals with a contract or several contracts? How many people that signed the recent petition on silver abuses would be willing to set up a futures account and demand delivery? Of course, not just anyone is allowed to trade in commodities or options, but that simply means that those that have these requirements must exercise them in size. {Hint, hint: it's a real cheap form of purchased silver}. Can anyone guess why it is not likely to be done by Ted Butler? Ah, yes, the economic compromises we make when we're associated with a coin and bullion sales company. I think Ted is fantastic and I read everything he writes, but I also believe there's a better way to end the manipulation he has so admirably documented. I hope these words do not offend, but I operate under the premise that the truth is {almost} always appropriate.

Why would the "Stalker" take gold off the London market? Probably because he really wants the gold and he wants it at Crimex paper prices even though its not available on Crimex. Fine with me...........thank you very much. Some in new Orleans this weekend speculated that Buffet is the buyer but it's much more likely dr Hwang or a fellow countryman of his. The "Stalker" has no interest in dismantling Crimex.........he's actually very grateful for it. The manipulation of silver and gold at Crimex hurts the average person MUCH worse than those with means. It has been an integral part of the "Strong Dollar policy" and the fleecing of the American populace through hedonic pricing and financial central planning. Those on a fixed income or without the means of "beating the system" are robbed the greatest.

I say a campaign to force honesty on Comex precious metals would only take about 6 months of prodding to be quite effective, if undertaken by credible and widely distributed sources. There is plenty of money being invested in related markets such as bullion, equities, etc, that if focused on COMEX would stop the fraud. Why should we continue to allow the micro-management of gold and silver, at the paper margin, with little correlation to underlying fundamentals?

Why does Jim Sinclair continue to coach his loyal subjects on how to win at the "Tea Tax" game when he should be simply dressing up as a native American and making a harbor full of salty tea? Sinclair is fighting yesterday's battles because that's what he knows best. Is it moral to participate in an immoral game just because one has exceptional skills therein? It's just a "chess game" to Sinclair, and he sees himself as the Grand Master, whereas, in reality, he IS only the Pied Piper of paper Gold as he sips freely from the tea of the King.

How many of you have heard that the Orange Juice market is controlled and not a good place to "play"? Maybe we could get Sinclair to explain to us, next, how to beat the OJ Cartel at its own game. Surely he's be up for that once he has enough golden Wizzards {Comets} up and trained. What's the difference? He's pretending this is an honest market, ne? Or is he? Who is pretending that Silver is an honest market? Ted Butler isn't..........he's documented exactly the opposite. Do you want to learn to play with the Big Boyz in O.J., Gold or Silver? Play in their game with their stacked decks? Sinclair will teach you how to count cards and Butler will proclaim that the game must be allowed to continue because it is a fine institution. Others say.......the time is not right, we really shouldn't strike where the point of vulnerability is obviously the greatest.

Butler says that Comex is such a fine American institution that it must be preserved. That's perfectly fine to keep it up and running IF it will fulfill its original purpose as an honest marketplace where users and producers meet to determine price. Ted will be the last person to say that is what is transpiring on Comex because he knows, best of all, that it is a fraudulent market where out-of-control unbacked selling is allowed. Some fine American Institution that one has become.

Free markets are far greater than these various central planners and manipulators. Does one really think the free market will not find a mechanism of honest weights and measures to settle metal prices should Comex and the criminals who run it be forced into accountability? Where's the trust in the free market mechanisms by those who cling to this fraudulent "tradition"?

Demanding honest markets, and honest money for that matter, is a much bigger goal than just making a few bucks on these crooked markets and leaving them this same way for our future generations.

Sinclair and Butler are both coaching a few enlightened citizens on how to get around paying the "Stamp Tax" or the "Tea Tax" or whatever other form of tyranny happens to be their objective. Maybe we should set up a Committee to Ensure Social Security Payments for the Enlightened where a scant few of us can get back a portion of what we paid into this crooked system? What's the difference? A few profit because of special training and the masses are left with an oppressive collectivist system intact.........for future generations to deal with. Thank goodness those that inspired the American Revolution didn't take this approach.

I would like Jim Sinclair to address these issues specifically, but will not hold my breath as he's engrossed in a world of "paper", which should be dumped in the harbor.

See ya's back at the Tavern!

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Correction To Last Post. -- beesting, 10:12:47 11/02/03 Sun

Dawson and Dawson Creek are two different places, Dawson is in the Yukon, Dawson Creek is in British Colombia very close to Alberta.....And close to the beginning of "The Alcan Highway".
Sorry for the mix-up......beesting.

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Le Canadians -- beesting, 09:54:08 11/02/03 Sun

Hi qwerty, from your post:
" " i am american ... when i travel outside country, i will just tell people i'm canadian ... can one tell the
difference between a canadian and american ... any tips on acting canadian :-)" "

1. Take a crash course in French.
1A. Learn to use your "hands" for added expression when talking.
1B. Leave out some "prepositions and adverbs" when talking.

2. You drive a "Bazool".(Junky old car)
3. Use the word "about"(pronounced aboot)a lot.
4. Example: You're a recovering alcoholic who used to drink "aboot" 3 gallons of beer a day.
5. Quickly become an expert on "ice hockey."
5A. Read Wayne Gretsky and Maurice "The Rocket" Richard's life historys.

6. Get a map of Canada and study it, find out where "The Bay of Fundy" is, Prince Edward Island(a Province),Sudbury, Medicine Hat, Moose Jaw, Saskatoon, "The ice fields of Colombia", Whitehorse, and Kamloops are.

7. Your Past: You lived in Dawson (formally Dawson Creek), Yukon Territory and had to learn "American" to communicate with the "Yanks" from right across the Yukon river.
8. You wear "Muk-a-luk" footwear at all times.
9. You read up on the different ways to cook moose.
10. You've seen polar bears from a distance.
11. You're interested in everything aboot Gold and Gold mining.

Good Luck.........beesting.
P.S. For any and all Canadians reading please realize this post was made in the spirit of good natured fun.

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No jobs -- volavka, 09:25:20 11/02/03 Sun

Manufacturing workers' hourly pay.

Denmark 20.23
japan 16.46
united states 16.14
Taiwan 5.18
Mexico 2.08

CHINA 61 cents.

Game over.....

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re Canadian conundrum -- number six, 07:57:56 11/02/03 Sun

The answer is to beat them to the punch by spouting off negative vibes about Usa (or maybe just it's government), while pretending to be Canadian. Don't rubbish the country, just bitck about the same things many a proud American hates about America, maybe the same things these foreigners hate about America... I dunno, Jerry Springer, George Bush, Falwell, Bill Gates' haircut or something like that.

You wouldn't have to be disingenuous about it all; probly no need to pretend to not be American. But their anti-US negativity towards you would be disarmed - aikido style - by your outlining many a good complaint about how you're country is going. They'd listen and be mighty impressed, and pleased to find a yank who finally knows what's going on! Might teach 'em a lesson not to be prejudiced a-holes.

You'd get to bitch about how it's all going to hell in a handbasket (a justified favourite topic around here,) and they'd get their righteous indignation stoked & stroked.

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qwerty -- jomama, 07:08:41 11/02/03 Sun

"i am american ... when i travel outside country, i will just tell people i'm canadian ... can one tell the difference between a canadian and american ... any tips on acting canadian :-)"

Put "eh" at the end of many sentences with an upward lilt
to its intonation.

There are others like "hoose" for house.

This may have more value than u think or depending on
who ur dealing with, no value at all.

Better to learn a few phrases in another language...just
enuf to fool whoever ur talking to.

Then walk off.

If u can.

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Sleep tight -- Au_Wag, 04:07:03 11/02/03 Sun

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by the way..Cor Tauri -- Flitner, 21:46:18 11/01/03 Sat

...you might want to check out something called the "Jefferson Bible".

Flinter

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@Cor Tauri && "Winning" -- Flinter, 21:18:08 11/01/03 Sat

Cor Tauri said: "The cabal can not lose in the way that you suggest, and yet, I think perhaps they are already ruined in another way."

You are so RIGHT, my friend.

In fact, I Pity them...that is all I can feel for them, their emulators...and their victims. Dancing partners in tragedy.

Do you think they understand or experience Joy, can experience the exquisite beauty of a sunset, the perfection of creation in an art work in hand or a garden in bloom, or feel the inner peace of building a tree house with a child? And if they cannot experience these simple (all that is good and true is simple) fundamentals...are they progressing toward an understanding that NOTHING is stationary, that all is alive and evolving together...that the world (the universe) is a continuous flow, interconnected together? That all are brothers and all are free?

These are the things that constitute a life of Power, REAL POWER. Enhancing the Self and all that "it surrounds".

What these fools weld is not power, but force...violence...the diametric opposite of Real Power.

They worship destruction and self-destruction, not life.

They have a gifted life in which to grow, an opportunity to evolve...and what do they do with it? They De-evolve!

To see them as "winning" is to adopt their world-view and to measure yourself by their symbols systems. To de-evolve with them. To loose with them.

I suggest that in their last instant before death...an instant that expands into eternity...they will get what they have worshiped.

But in our learning and understanding, we can have a different fate, a different experience in this life...so perhaps they DO play some kind of important role in the big picture.

But still, Pity...is what I feel.

The very best to you,
Flinter

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dirty nuke -- qwerty, 17:50:07 11/01/03 Sat

===
Adnan El Shukrijumah is a suspected al-Qaeda organizer who is the subject of a worldwide manhunt by the FBI and CIA. He is believed to be working on Osama bin Laden's plan to trigger a radiological disaster inside the United States - the so-called "dirty-bomb" scenario where a small charge would trigger dispersion of radiation over a large area, wreaking havoc on those caught in the blast and making the blast area uninhabitable. High-grade uranium is not necessary for this project; ordinary, low-grade nuclear waste will be deadly enough
===

Translated: The US government is hard at work getting the american public pschologically ready for a dirty nuke. The US government's covert operation teams will perpetrate the act of terrorism and blame it on one of their fictitious fronts and cutouts. The treasonous perpetrators behind such terrorism will control the investigation and cover up from the start. Homeland Security will play the major role in such a cover up of treason. the media will assist.

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Tanzania -- Frisco Fred, 13:49:03 11/01/03 Sat

I had a dyslexic period this morning.

Correction - Tananzia to Tanzania.

Thank you,
Fred

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Decisions -- Frisco Fred, 10:49:11 11/01/03 Sat

IMHO, to truly understand a mine, a government, a religion, etc., you must first learn the history of it. I admit I have not looked into the history of all mines, but most of the ones that I have possess some dark beginnings. They may be very profitable now, but, do we want greed or morals?
Artesian miners in Tananzia, who were earning a good living and adding to the economy, were pushed out and/or killed to make way for Tan Range/Barricks to set up environmentally damaging mines, also doing away with thousands of jobs of the native Tananzian. (One example only.) The history of any government (see CorTauri post) speaks volumes for the country. The history of religion shows that some have been changed (through interpretation, translation, nefarious decisions made for the desires of the decision makers), or have been government related.

Sometimes I think that we want all things that are easy to obtain, never acknowleding the darker side that makes it so easy.

Has our country been better off since 1954, when "under God" was added to our pledge? In a government document mentioned at ER before, is a declaration that our country is NOT based on Christianity in any form. The Ten Commandments were given in the Old Testament and are Jewish, but these same commandments were given by other religions (i.e. Ancient Egyptians), so should there be such a clammer about the display of them?

What has mining (other than artesian) done to the beautiful environment that was so graciously given us by our maker? How many people have been hurt financially, physically, morally and emotionally by some of the mines that have been put in place?

You may change your mind about a choice you have made if you know the history of that choice. I know that I have.

Gentle breezes,
Fred

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Cor Tauri -- qwerty, 10:10:30 11/01/03 Sat

>The cabal, if it is a cabal worth the name is not desperate.

i was trying to search for a word and my mind went stupid in an articulate way but i can do that at times ... depends how my health is feeling

your right in that they will never be desperate

i am american ... when i travel outside country, i will just tell people i'm canadian ... can one tell the difference between a canadian and american ... any tips on acting canadian :-)

you have a good post and a lot of good points i would like to comment on but i will try to get to it later

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Silver - The China factor -- Netking, 10:07:50 11/01/03 Sat

China is the single most significant factor in the silver equation. But more importantly, it's coming to a real critical time.....entering into the silver hour when Jerome Smith's predictions may well come to pass.

Anyway you might find this fair use snip from the website of Pan American, where some of it's people have been involved with China's silver:

"...Chinese inventories are much smaller than they were in 1998 and it is thought by some experts that they will be completely exhausted at the present rate of sales by mid-2004. This will be hastened by any increase in domestic silver demand. Longer term, increased industrial and jewelry demand in the coun-try's growing economy, coupled with the predicted stable to lower Chinese mine supply, should result in China's current silver surplus changing to a net silver deficit within a few years..."

"...For 2003, silver demand is projected to increase, based on higher industrial demand, growing Chinese demand, greater Indian jewelry demand and higher investment demand. Silver supply growth should again be muted, with little change in silver mine supply, though it is unknown what Chinese government sales will be [a continued reduction of these?]. A key driver of the silver price is the direction of the US dollar, and some analysts argue that the dollar will continue to weaken and that, as a result, all metal commodity prices will rise in US dollar terms..."

http://www.panamericansilver.com/s/SilverFundamentals.asp

This from the Silver Institute:

"....Posting the largest annual drop since 1994, global silver mine output declined to 585.9 million ounces (Moz) in 2002. The Survey states that there could be a further decline in mine production in 2003, as base metal producers are forecast to scale back output and no significant new capacity is expected to come online. Weaker global base metals prices contributed to a 3-percent reduction in silver production from lead and zinc mines and a further 1-percent decline in silver output from copper mines. Mexico again mined the most silver last year, followed by Peru, Australia, the United States and China. Silver from primary mines generated 27 percent of total mined silver last year, up from 25 percent in 2001. Average cash costs declined 23 percent from 2001 figures, to reach $2.31 per ounce.

For the fourteenth straight year, a structural deficit was recorded. This gap between fabrication demand and conventional supply (mine production and recycled scrap) stood at 67.4 Moz in 2002...."

Further comment: So there we have it, strongly rising demand, possible declining or even a stopping of Chinese sales during 2004[?], supply under pressure. If this govt sale source which made up 8.26% of supply in 2002 stops, look out folks, things will get very ugly, very quickly for those who need silver, and who need lots of it. Even if the PRC continues as previous, it's still coming to crunch time anyway. Complete your silver [physical] stocking up before Christmas . . . I hear the sound of abundance of rain . . . silver rain.

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scary monsters and super creeps -- number six, 07:53:15 11/01/03 Sat

re apll.ob - Sold 1/3 of shares at 50% profit - which effectively gives you half your money back, but leaves your stake as large as you originally punted. It's a betting pattern I feel emotionally comfortable with, assuming it's a stock I mostly want to hold for longer. With apll The wave of volume had clearly passed, so it weren't going any higher for a little while. I had intially set out to sell half on a double, but the pump-spike didn't have the oomph to get there.

I went looking for other gold/silver microcaps that are moving into production, and projecting tiny forward p/e's. Essentially, they're value plays in a sector where many companies appear to have a fully speculative market cap.

But if you find a USA gold company with a market cap of $12m , that is moving to initiate production of 50,000 oz/year at $11m a year profit for 10 years,....welll, you might do what I did and buy some. :) They've got over $200 million worth of resource ounces, much of which (on first glance) appears to be mineable at a comfortable profit. Rysmf.ob Royal Standard Minerals.

-THis is some guy from Silicon Investor giving his research/tout blerb on them (Their market cap is $12 million now.) The SI forums there are a great source for leads and info on gold/silver mining companies.

Click HERE

-This is an article about their main shareholder - a big European fund that definitely knows their gold. (They own 10% of Celtic Resources so I can attest that they certainly know what they're doing.)

Click HERE

-This is Lawrence Roulston's Resource Opportunities write up about the company. He's quite a good analyst stockpicking guru, imho.

Click HERE

Now this company might also suck on a lot levels that I haven't heard anything about. They're small otcbb venture exchange. Buyer beware of course... but they do apparently have a lot of gold there, relative to their price. I'm just pointing out the good side of the story, but I can't especially vouch for it. Value speculating among the gold juniors appears to be a way of minimising risks while joining the gold bull. I mean, if they have the resources they claim, then their price isn't going much lower in this golden day & age, is it?

MOre likely to go well & truly up, would be my guess.

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Happy Halloween -- number six, 05:41:23 11/01/03 Sat

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Wow -- Cor Tauri, 02:24:02 11/01/03 Sat

Look at the post by qwerty
fianncial matrix 2 -- qwerty, 03:27:16 10/31/03 Fri

then immediatly read the post by Hawk right above it
Interesting twists -- Hawk, 05:18:44 10/31/03 Fri

The red pill is sweet in the mouth, but bitter in the belly.

dotti:
I also am a Christian. At some point I rebelled against the beliefs I was taught as a child. I explored a number of other religious philosopies.

It was wonderous, they all have a piece of it, the truth, the wisdom, it, I don't have the words but I know you know what I mean.

Then in arrogance I went back to explore my own religion. I expected the shallowness of what I was taught as a child to be torn to shreads by what I had learned, perceived, almost understood in these other philosopies. The shallowness wasn't there anymore. There was the same wisdom, the same awe and beauty I had come to know. But here was the same truth presented in my cultural context. I mean to figure out that Vishnu and Shiva are actually one you have to figure out what Vishnu and Shiva are individually. That is best learned in that culture, which isn't my culture.

It is difficult, perhaps impossible for me to ever understand that. I might never get anything more than the practice of trying to see profund meaning that is hidden from me by lack of cultural context. OmarD has suggested I think, that to understand Islam, you have to read the Koran in Arabic. I know nothing of Islam, but I understand why it might be important to learn Arabic to understand the depth of Islam.

When I read about Christ and the beliefs of Christianity, there was none of the trite and shallowness I expected. It was new, exciting and profound. Even more profound than all the others, because I am a product of the Culture in which the richness of meaning in Christianity is expressed. Our current society is failing very baddly at living up to the Christian ideal. But our society would fail greatly at any of the religions. We as a people have turned our back to sincerity and goodness. There is no teaching that predicts a benificial outcome to that rejection.

The religion itself however, is my home. I have been sightseening and traveling, and that was very good. I have learned about people who say that "Sound is God", and though I have trouble deeply comprehending that concept, I can see clearly that "In the beginning, there was the Word, and the Word was with God."
I am again a new Christian. I am currently re reading the New Testiment, but this round I am only reading the words actually spoken by Christ. I grew up in this house, I remember the context they are in, and if not, I will glance at the surrounding text. But it is a hard religion, and it can cause a degree of flakyness. You know we are supposed to follow the Lamb, the Lamb that was slain. Thats scary and hard, and in our current society it is considered very much "peace and love foolishness".

Fiat Lux

dotti: I almost forgot, soon in the media you will likely see something I think you will consider a great herasy concerning the family life of Jesus. Do not be too troubled by it.

Oh, and I have no idea about the quarterly GDP being highest in 19 years. I havn't actually given that any thought. It's all managed statistics anyway.
I will mention that I am looking for a different job and after months of no responses, today three different companies called to set up interviews.

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qwerty -- Cor Tauri, 01:16:35 11/01/03 Sat

" or just takes over barrick and the shareholders get screwed"

Several years ago, I would have read your statement as either a joke, a goofy theory, or something just very unlikely to happen. Now I read it as a purly realistic possibility. I have seen over the past 3 years that this is indeed how companies are acquired.

The shareholders in any company are simply gambling. It dosn't matter what the P/E ratio is, and it dosn't matter what the Debt/Equity ratio is. If a large comapnay has assets that are desirable, they will be pushed into debt, then bankruptcty. The creditors will acquire it for a pennies on the dollar. I think this is what happened to Worldcom and Enron isn't it?

"remember the days" The cabal, if it is a cabal worth the name is not desperate. They are stopped and reversed perhaps, but you have to figure they anticipated that. These folks the "CABAL" have been long gold a long time. The whole $850 to $250 was their "buy on the dips". Your probably right that the minions of the cabal are sweating it. But for them the worst that can happen is that they loose their jobs.

That could be hard, where I work one of the security officers is a former banker and banking examiner, he mentioned the actual titles, but he was a banker for years and then worked in a regulatory capacity for years. Now he is a guard. Bit brighter than the average guard.

There seems to be only us, the cabal, and the masses. The minions don't count, the cabal will eat them with relish. The masses will get utterly devistated, will will get hurt but with gold and luck we might maintain some semblance of a civilized life, the cabal, well I don't know what will happen to them. I imagine they won't starve to death.

Try and see my way of understanding this: IF there is a cabal, a multi-generational, multi-century organisation, dark, sinister, glamour of evil type folks, these people create the economic reality in which we live.

Our task, in which we seem to be doing well, is figureing out what direction that cabal must go in next. For years we have understood that the cabal will, must, cause gold to appreciate against fiat paper assets. I guess what I am saying is your note of triumph is hollow. Our adversary, the PTB, the cabal, is long gold too.

qwerty, are you an American? Do you remember in school being taught about the Articles of Confederation, and how they didn't work? The constitutional convention came along and created the constitution. There was a federalist party and an anti-federalist party.

Most of the people we consider the founders of our country were in the federalist party. The federalist party was the cabal. The articles were weak intentionally, to make it impossible for a federal government to usurp the rights of the states and the rights of the people. The new constitution was techniclly a type of treason in that it proposed a new form of government and contained within itself it's own vehicle for ratification.

The people of that day were wise enough to try to stop it. When they couldn't because of the power of the costal merchants and bankers, they forced the inclusion of the Bill of Rights. It was perhaps enough to preserve some liberty for a hundred years or so.

I almost hate to dampen your enthusiasim, The cabal can not lose in the way that you suggest, and yet, I think perhaps they are already ruined in another way.

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Happy Halloween -- Woody, 18:22:57 10/31/03 Fri

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i'll modify mark twains quote -- qwerty, 17:57:54 10/31/03 Fri

"Truth is mighty and will prevail. There is nothing the matter with this, except in the matrix"

================== QWERTY ========================

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A Wise Man -- Frisco Fred, 12:54:07 10/31/03 Fri

"Truth is mighty and will prevail. There is nothing the matter with this, except that it ain't so."

============ Mark Twain ============

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abx -- qwerty, 11:28:03 10/31/03 Fri

i have always wondered about the barrick hedges

i couldn't figure out how they would be burned especially if their counter parties are jpm and the cabal

i could imagine that maybe 10 years from now, gold could be a glut and they would be able to push the price down

but then i read something ...

they have 10 years to deliver ... they would have to start delivering into their hedges in years 7 years from now and would have to deliver ALL THEIR PRODUCTION

i didn't think about this

then there is inflation ... that will cause the cost of production to rise

the only way out i see is that the cabal extends out the hedges even further or just takes over barrick and the shareholders get screwed

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remember the days -- qwerty, 11:21:06 10/31/03 Fri

remember the days when the cabal could keep gold within a 2 dollar range

remember when they could bash it down with hardly any countering

remember the struggle

things look a lot better

i am sensing from the past weeks that the cabal is in a more desperate mode

they can't bash the price too much since there are big buyers out there who will buy it up

they can't let it go up since goinjg above 400 would send up a flare at least psychologically

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Silver Institute -- Netking, 10:19:01 10/31/03 Fri

website upgrade....nice pics.
http://www.silverinstitute.org/

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Passing out gold coins -- volavka, 07:23:08 10/31/03 Fri

tonite. Chocolate that is in gold wrap. Note attached for parents, get u some or your kid will always beg.

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An Ol' Disease -- jomama, 06:12:06 10/31/03 Fri

There's something seriously wrong with some folks on this planet.

Some folks just spent a lotta money and lives beating the shit outta other folks.

Then the folks doing the beating spend money stolen from other folks to fix what the first bunch destroyed.

Well, it ain't my planet.

Ahs jus' passin' thru.

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Cry babies -- volavka, 05:18:57 10/31/03 Fri

Today we go up strong.

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Interesting twists -- Hawk, 05:18:44 10/31/03 Fri

When reproducing our materials in whole or in part, reference to PRAVDA.Ru should be made. The opinions and views of the authors do not always coinside with the point of view of PRAVDA.Ru's editors.

Snip.

Does the Prosecutor's Office need to seek arrest of Yukos shares? The situation is perfectly clear today: all the parties involved in the scandal are anticipating open investigation at court and are not inclined to make any abrupt movements so far. If Yukos foreign investors are scared away, the shares may disappear once and for all. This is rather unfavorable for all the sides. That is why the government should keep up a dialogue with Yukos foreign shareholders. The very fact that recently Russia's President Vladimir Putin has met with Former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger interested in Yukos affairs and with Lord Jacob Rothschild suggests that the parties of the conflict are in touch and can discuss measures that are to be taken.

http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/89/355/11179_yukos.html

Sure is a small world.

Hawk

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fianncial matrix 2 -- qwerty, 03:27:16 10/31/03 Fri

he predicament we face ...

===

The Blue Pill People
by Hari Heath

There are none so blind as those who will not look. If you are one of those who will look, take a look around. You are surrounded -- surrounded by millions who will not look. These are the blue pill people. Who are these blue pill people and why won't they look?

"The Matrix" may be only a movie, but it presents some scenarios with much relevance to our current situation. In the movie, Neo meets Morpheus and is offered an opportunity and a choice. Neo can take the red pill and see the truth for himself, or he can take the blue pill and return, comfortably unaware, to the illusion of the Matrix. There he can live out his life undisturbed by the truth. The truth depicted in The Matrix is an extreme version of modern socialism.

In the futuristic scenario of the movie, a massive array of human beings are kept in self-contained pods that resemble artificial wombs. These "row-cropped" human entities are maintained in their pods, from their in vitro conception until they are no longer useful to the Artificial Intelligence (AI) entity. The AI entity needs certain things from these "humans" for its own sustenance, so it continuously breeds new human crops and extracts from them what it needs. In return, the AI entity supplies the humans' needs with several permanent intravenous connections and a neural link. The neural link provides the pod-bound humans with a complete illusion -- the Matrix. In the AI-created illusion the humans have a normal life in a real world. In reality, however, the civilized world was destroyed some time ago and humans have been harvested as crops for the benefit of the Al entity ever since. The Matrix is a complete digital holographic type "world" created by the AI entity to mentally contain its human crops while it extracts what it needs from their pod-bound bodies.

In the movie, when Morpheus is about to offer Neo the choice between either the red pill or the blue pill, he explains:

"You're here because you know something. What you know you can't explain -- but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life; that there's something wrong with the world; you don't know what it is, but it's there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me. Do you know what I'm talking about?"

"The Matrix," Neo asks?

"Do you want to know what it is? The Matrix is everywhere, it is all around us. Even in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, when you go to church, when you pay your taxes; it is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth."

And Neo asks, "What truth?"

"That you are a slave Neo, like everyone else, you were born into bondage; born into a prison that you cannot smell or taste or touch; a prison for your mind. Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to experience it for yourself."

Those few humans who were either born into reality, or have successfully taken the red pill, become the focus of the movie's story -- their attempts to destroy the Matrix and liberate the mass of humanity that lives completely encapsulated in their pods and the illusions fed to them by the powers that be -- powers that will go to any length to maintain the illusion.

Extreme, but not much different than our modern system of corporate government and capitalistic socialism. The governing powers need things from us, not the least of which is our consent. To obtain our consent we are fed all manner of benefits. We are programmed from an early age to believe that such benefits are necessary. To obtain these benefits, a number of conduits are attached to each of us. Adhesion contracts like Social Security, a driver's license; voter registration for a pretended choice of social masters, bank accounts where credit is manufactured for our use and other memberships, registrations, licenses, deeds and permits to insure the conduct of our affairs will be confined within the "matrix" of corporate governance.

We are given our own numbered "pod," a social net provided by the government. Educated according to mandates of the state, our belief system is further cultured by corporate media.

There are various forms of "welfare" should we succumb to poverty or disease. If we are threatened or in danger we can call 911. Government's job of "securing" us is made easier by the massive database tracking our movements, our finances, the location of our homes and businesses and our tax records. When old age creeps up, we can rely on government to take care of us.

The corporate/government/financial interface combines to create a massive illusion of benefits -- the American dream. For the price of a promise to indebt our future labors, pay our taxes and play within the system, there are seemingly limitless toys, castles, comforts and consumables for those who believe in this Matrix. For half our productivity taken in taxes (the other half in payments) and the deeds and title to whatever we think we own, government and its private affiliates will take care of us.

To live in this Matrix, all we have to surrender is any genuine sense of independence, personal responsibility and our right to live freely and actually own the fruits of our labors.

And, like in the movie, a contingent of agents are deployed to combat any renegade humans who have a will for freedom from the Matrix which surrounds us.

As Morpheus expiained, "The Matrix is a system Neo, and that system is our enemy. When you are inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters, the very minds we are trying to save. Until we do, these people are part of that system and that makes them our enemies. You have to understand that most of these people are not ready to be unplugged and many are so hopelessly dependent on the system, they'll fight to protect it."

Why will blue pill people fight to protect a Matrix that enslaves them? It's all they know. And all their toys, castles, comforts and consumables will be gone without the Matrix. Their whole illusionary existence will evaporate, leaving them naked and alone.

What won't the blue pill people in our current "real" world look at? They refuse to acknowledge they are they are funding their enslavement to a socialist homeland police state. Last month, a few "red pill" people traveled to D.C. for an eloquent conclusion to Freedom Drive 2002, exposing the fraud of the l6th Amendment, the IRS, and the federal income tax. But the blue pill people remained comfortably in their coma, ever willing to pay a tax they do not owe. They fund Congress and the Nazi/moron president's implementation of America's new Third Reich, so they can feel "secure."

And, so the blue pill people can finally understand what really happened the morning of September 11, 2001, Henry Kissinger, the angel of death and global tyranny, will investigate the facts and tell us the blue-pill truth. Will Americans really believe the Doctor of genocide?

Hidden away on the 6th floor of the Department of Justice building is the secret FISA Court. U. S. attorneys have been going there for years to get secret search warrants from in-house, rubberstamp judges under the guise of "national security." This parallel "legal" system can order clandestine searches of citizens' and non-citizens' homes. From the "evidence" gathered, we can be secretly declared "enemy combatants" and held indefinitely at U. S. military bases.

Remember the detainment camps those paranoid conspiracy theorists told you about years ago?

U.S. officials claim they can detain and interrogate enemy combatants until the executive branch declares an end to the war on terrorism. This includes no access to lawyers or family members; investigations, interrogations, trials and punishments can be held without the protections secured by the Constitution. The Nazi/moron president's administration says there is ample precedent for what it is doing. Are we following the "ample precedent" of a man named Hitler?

Meanwile, the Congress has passed the American Gestapo Authorization (Homeland Security) Act which defines a terrorist as:

"The term "terrorism' means any activity that -- involves an act that is dangerous to human life or potentially destructive of critical infrastructure or key resources; and is a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State or other subdivision of the United States; and appears to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping."

As a test for social compliance, 838 blue pillers recently passed blissfully through an unconstitutional random roadblock in Pittsburgh without "seeing" the real "terrorists" in Homeland Security's new America -- the police state (See page 22). Is our present police state "dangerous to human life" and "destructive of critical infrastructure" like the Bill of Rights? Is it "against the laws" (18 USC 241; 242) to deprive a citizen of their right to travel and be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects? Do random roadblocks, by design, "intimidate or coerce a civilian population?" What happens if you don't comply with the roadblock?

The next test for blue pill compliance will be mass inoculations for smallpox. Will the blue pill population literally trample all over each other to get their shots as some officials predict? Has the vaccination "matrix" been so well entrenched in the blue pillers' minds that they will actually let mercury, monkey puss and aborted fetal tissue be injected under their skin based on an unproven theory that such things promote health and prevent disease?

And what greater "matrix" is there, than our current "fiat;' financial system? We "believe" that a piece of paper with the picture of a dead president has the value of the number printed on it and that one dead president is more valuable than another. We don't even consider that the use of this dead president paper is the direct cause of our own enslavement.

Have you ever seen your bank account? It's not there. Only the slight-of-hand practiced by the teller and the accountant behind the scenes makes this illusion look real to the blue pill people.

How deep does the rabbit hole go? Near the end of the movie, the Matrix's agent Smith acclaims the virtues of the Matrix to the captive red pill people's leader Morpheus: "Have you ever stood and stared at it? Marveled at is beauty; its genius? Billions of people, just living out their lives -- oblivious."

From the December 2002 Idaho Observer:
sent in by Eolake Stobblehouse

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financial matrix -- qwerty, 03:24:33 10/31/03 Fri

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Technicaly, its a manipulated market, comex fiat futures are irrelevant! Remember platinum? they couldn't deliver yet insisted the price was what they wanted it to be, a simple case of a market with liars on top. Realise the markets are fake, news is fake, all your life you have been lead to believe in lies, you are in a financial matrix, an imposed fantasy others would have you believe. WAKE UP! Do you think the people controling this situation are your friends? I severely doubt that, look at the siege mentality of govt armed to the teeth and hostile against the people they breed and control as prey. That is the real world, a predatory system.
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cut and pasted a post from somewhere else

it succinctly articulates our financial predicament

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alan stang -- qwerty, 02:24:40 10/31/03 Fri

looked into alan stang before

the more i looked, the more red flags went up

i don't think he is real

i think he works for the NWO

i sense he is treasonous

i don't trust him

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Socialists denying communist link leave trail of destruction -- Goldustorm, 22:16:55 10/30/03 Thu

http://www.etherzone.com/2003/stang103103.shtml
BRAINWASHING IS THE METHOD
TREASON IS THE REASON
By: Alan Stang
"Treason no doubt is as old as government. Wherever you have one, you have the other. Every government has been plagued with it, from Alcibiades to Arnold to Aldrich Ames. But our situation is unique. I cannot find in history, anywhere in the world, a nation subjected to as much continuing treason for as long as ours.
There are individual traitors like the ones I have named; but I cannot find another country whose own government was the traitor; whose own government committed a hundred years of treason against its own people. That is the situation under which the American people now labor.
When Benedict Arnold betrayed his command to the British, our government was loyal. It was loyal thereafter until the early years of the Twentieth Century. Yes, the previous century did see the Mexican War, our first baby steps toward empire; it did see the fratricidal conflict engineered by totalitarian monster Abraham Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt's "splendid little war" concocted by William Randolph Hearst in Havana.

But the purpose of those wars was not to hand our country to a foreign enemy. Treason in my lexicon consists of doing exactly that, of betraying our country into foreign hands, especially during wartime. Treason certainly consists of giving control of our government to another government.
How do I know that treason is the reason? How can I prove it? Remember that when weeds sprang up among the wheat, the Master explained, "An enemy hath done this." (Matt. 13:24ff.) In the cause-and-effect universe God created, when there is an effect, you know there was a cause. You may not know yet what the cause was, but you know there was one.
God could have done it any way He liked. Why did He do it this way? My answer will as always be clear, concise and completely correct. I don't know. The only thing we know about God is the effect we call scripture He caused His prophets to write. God caused that effect to teach us something about Him.
Suppose that for a hundred years you keep finding weeds in your wheat. If, as scripture tells us, an enemy hath done this, you would have sound reason to conclude that your enemy is trying to destroy you. I am simply asking you to apply here the same thinking you would apply to someone who keeps cheating you.
The first few times, you might attribute the problem to accident or misunderstanding. After a hundred years, you would remember the hallowed legal principle that a man is presumed to intend the natural consequences of his acts. The cops won't buy it if I tell them I "didn't know" your head would split open and your brain would leak out when I hit you in the head with the axe.
And so it was that in the early years of the Twentieth Century, we began to see intensifying and multiplying attempts to destroy our national independence and to submerge our country in a world government, in which the former United States would be a mere wide place in the road.
Remember that world government – however innocuous its champions make it sound – is ipso facto treason, because world government means the destruction of the United States government. You can have one or the other, not both, for the same reason that two solid objects cannot occupy the same place at the same time.
After a century of such treason our government is Communist. Our media are Communist. Our schools are Communist. How do I know? I know because I see the Communist effects. I know because world government has always been a Communist goal. I may not know which Communists effected the perversion. I may not know exactly how they did it; but we have Communist effects, so we must have Communist causes.
Remember that the congressional investigations of the 1940s uncovered a couple of Communist spy rings because former Communists like Elizabeth Bentley and Whittaker Chambers testified about them. Many other such rings were left untouched and they have no doubt continued to infiltrate and to subvert our government and other institutions for sixty years.
There is surely no need here to repeat that the "collapse" of the Soviet Union and of Communism is an utter fraud devised by the Kremlin to advance the conquest of the West. In previous pieces you can easily find in the Ether Zone archives I proved that incontrovertible fact.
Among the Communist effects for which there are Communist causes is the fact that we are perpetually at war. Sure enough, the men who control our government these days are called "neo-conservatives" to beguile the unwary; in fact they are disciples of Leon Trotsky's and Trotsky was the founder of the Soviet Red Army. He taught the Soviet doctrine of perpetual war.
Another Communist effect is the use of dialectical materialism in politics to whipsaw the voters between the two parties, the technique colloquially known as "the lesser of two evils." A corollary of the technique could be stated as follows: You may be only one day pregnant, but you still have been had. We saw the latest application of the technique recently in California.
The job of the Democrats is to scare the h-e-c-k out of you, to make themselves look as stupid and maniacal as possible, to make the craziest proposals; and, one must admit, they do their job well. The job of the Republicans is to be one day pregnant and to keep their flies zipped and George W. Bush does an equally good job. Remember that "neo-con" Communist policies are his policies.
Some people don't believe the major political parties are merely two legs on the same bug. How can they want the same thing and be allies when they obviously hate each other? Yes, they do hate each other. Didn't Djugashvili and Bronstein (Stalin and Trotsky) hate each other? Didn't Stalin send a man to Mexico to split Trotsky's head open with an axe? Didn't Stalin and Trotsky want the same thing: world Communism?
A third Communist effect is the brainwashing our Communist government, schools and media presently are inflicting on the American people. Brainwashing is based on the Communist perversion of the scientific research conducted by Ivan Pavlov, whom the Soviets kept isolated in the splendid laboratory they gave him. Pavlov died with no idea of what the Soviets had done with his findings.
The first effects of Soviet brainwashing showed up in the Moscow purge trials of the 1930s, in which the founders of the Soviet Union – potential rivals Stalin wanted to get rid of – confessed to crimes they could not have committed, crimes that were prima facie impossible for them to commit. The still unknowing world scratched its head, wondering what had been done to these men.
Later, Moscow's little Soviet brothers in Communist Peiping adapted the technique to subjugate the people of China, where it became known informally as "brainwashing." And journalist Edward Hunter, an "old China hand," formalized the term in his books on the subject, Brainwashing from Pavlov to Powers and Brainwashing in Red China.
Why did the Soviets devise this technique? They understood perfectly that in the world dictatorship they wanted it would be impossible to keep the people subjugated with nothing but police. There could never be enough police for the purpose. There would be constant rebellion. So, they decided to create New Soviet Man. This would be a human automaton, programmed like a modern computer to police himself..
What is brainwashing? It is a psychological technique that uses intimidation, bribery, repetition, hypnosis, threats, deprivation, and torture – every weapon you can think of – to produce a bizarre species of insanity in which the brainwashed victim now believes exactly the opposite of what he believed when the brainwashing began.
It induces hallucinations, which cause the victim to swear up and down even in court, that things happened, things that couldn't possibly have happened because of the known facts. But the victim believes them. Among the best-known victims of the process was Josef Cardinal Mindszenty of Hungary. Ed Hunter relates in considerable detail how the Red Chinese tried with some success to brainwash our Prisoners Of War in Korea.
How do I know that the Communists are brainwashing Americans here in the United States right now? I know it because they are doing the same things here they did in Red China. In the next couple of weeks we'll take a look. Only if you know what is happening can you defeat it."
"Published originally at EtherZone.com : republication allowed with this notice and hyperlink intact."
Alan Stang has been a network radio talk show host and was one of Mike Wallace's first writers. He was a senior writer for American Opinion magazine and has lectured around the world for more than 30 years. He is also the author of ten books, including, most recently, Perestroika Sunset, surrounding our Government's deception in the POW/MIA arena. If you would like him to address your group, please email what you have in mind. He is a regular columnist for Ether Zone.
Alan Stang can be reached at: feedback@stangbooks.com
We invite you to visit his website at: www.stangbooks.com
Published in the October 31, 2003 issue of Ether Zone.
Copyright © 1997 - 2003 Ether Zone.

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beesting -- qwerty, 16:26:51 10/30/03 Thu

what your saying is fine

i think getting physical if one already has a lot of wealth makes sense

for the poor paupers here, buying gold stocks and then taking profits from there to buy physical later will allow more accumulation of physical and make more sense

profits i take out of gold stocks will go to a holding base like turks goldmoney thing ...

i will buy a shit load of physical at some point and give it to my amish nephew who can store it and also use it ...

collecting physical will not solve the larger economic problem - the federal reserve, central banks and fiat currencies backed by nothing or a little must be eliminated ...

the fiat system has allowed the criminals to steal peoples REAL MONEY - THEIR LABOR AND TOIL - in an invisible way and subsidize and bail out their enterprises such as banks and corporations and allow masive theft ...

if a little guy has a business and they go bankrupt, the federal reserve will let them sink ... THE FIAT IS LIKE ROBBERY ON A MASS SCALE FROM THE CITIZENS BY THE INSIDERS. SPECIAL INTERESTS and ELITES and the citizens are rarely aware

as far as money ... i should say FRN fiat money ... it is still money because there are people willing to exchange their sweat and toil for it ...

more important, in legal terms, it is LEGAL TENDER ... as long as thugs control the governments and media, they will be able to make the rules and control the mindless cogs and force its use

in the bigger picture, money whether FRN or REAL is the same ... when you die, you can't take it with you ... if i could, i would definitely take the gold

at some point the gold bull will end ... what will people do out there do ... have all physical or have physical and fiat and stocks etc ...

i'll divide it up ... fiat for use in the corrupt system ... gold in storage as insurance ... probably park some money in china / asian stocks ...

unless the treasonous criminals are removed, the corruption of the money creation will continue ... you may not like, i may not like it but we need to deal with it in practical ways

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"Tthere is no system more corrupt..." -- OmarD, 14:47:57 10/30/03 Thu

View from the "outside"...by most all...sadly...(and ultimately, very unfortunately for the citizens of this nation)

Bush's Support For Sharon
10/30/2003 - Political - Article Ref: IV0310-2123

http://www.iviews.com/Articles/articles.asp?ref=IV0310-2123

"...The level of hypocrisy, double-talk and the neo-Pharaonic display of might, practiced by the Bush (Jr.) Administration, is sufficient to make any decent, peace-loving person question his/her fundamental belief in the goodness of human nature. Truly, there is no system more corrupt and more hypocritical than a system that represents itself as the example of justice, the example of freedom, the example of democracy, the example of human rights and can go all over this earth telling other people how to strengthen out their houses, how to manage their affairs, how to abide by international laws while it does exactly the opposite - defying international laws, courting authoritarian regimes, bugging its own citizenry, misleading all humanity, denying basic human rights and setting precedence for pre-emptive strikes as if we are living in caves in pre-historic times..."

(Omar note: Please note view of US outside our borders...)

"...What message is Bush trying to send to the rest of the world, especially to the Muslim world? Is it kosher to strike any country and ignore international laws? What does it do to his ignoble image or to the so-called roadmap for Palestine? (He is perceived by most people living outside the U.S. as the greatest threat to humanity, a Hitler-in-the-making, far worse than Bin Ladin is.)..."

"noisily" along...

Omard

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"Toast..." ...anyone? -- Omard, 14:23:31 10/30/03 Thu

Far more future "Terrorism" is being generated by the US (and "allies") then that being currently "subdued." --- The hatred being generated from, will take many, many generations to eventually be smoothed over...(if ever...)

There is only one "ending" possible for the US in the ME...and it is big, bad and ugly.

US policy has isolated only one extremist group - its own -- October 31, 2003

smh.com

...The Bush Administration's policy behaviour has turned Iraq into a dangerous battleground between two extremist groups - the reborn Christians and neo-conservatives who dominate the Administration, and al-Qaeda and its supporters who have gained an unprecedented degree of acceptability in the Muslim world - over the future of world order. This constitutes a clash of extremisms from which nobody will benefit, least of all the United States...

...The UN knows that had it not been for the Iraqi resistance defining the limits of US power, the Bush Administration would have never come back to the UN for help, allowing the world body to restore its pre-Iraq war stature in world politics.

The biggest damage that the Gulf War and its aftermath have inflicted is on the US. It has weakened its political credibility as the world's most powerful state and confronted it with more, rather than less, danger from international terrorism.

Bush's policy approach, driven more by a minority of neo-conservative and Christian ideologues than the mainstream in US politics, has involved the US in a conflict from which al-Qaeda and its supporters stand to gain more than the world's only superpower. And those US allies who have supported this policy bear as much responsibility as Bush for dangerously enabling two pools of extremists - one from the Islamic side, another from Western side - to have a determining role in shaping our future....

WHY IT WILL NOT END!!!

In the Beginning, There Was Terror
by: Ronald Bleier

Israeli terrorism

A great "toasting" coming...

OmarD

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qwerty,,,May I Please Interject??? -- beesting, 14:07:07 10/30/03 Thu

I agree in most part with your message but have to add a few words of my own here & there:

(qwerty)-One has to think in terms of maybe - where on earth can i have the most freedom and happiness ...
money does buy freedom to some degree on this planet ...

(beesting)- Very true but instead of using the word "money" by itself, please substitute the word,"REAL" money as in Gold/Silver money.

(qwerty again)-for us who truly care about what is happening, we need to take action ... and that may mean
something as simple as getting out of the way and just taking a few protective measures.

(beesting again)- I think some of us who see the "REAL" worlds situation are in the process of taking a few protective measures/ and action already.

beesting, what in the world could I be talking about???

First lets examine exactly how ,"We The People" lost our "REAL" money which also equaled "REAL" liberty or real freedom, in the first place.

Over the years, and mostly long ago, Governments thru hook, crook, & steal accumulated most of//enough of the "real" money(Gold/Silver) to start printing their own substitutes for real money in the form of paper notes. This eventually led to the situation[s] we see in the world today since an estimated 99% of things & services are paid for with these paper substitutes.(war machines/political machines/news release machines/covert operation machines/ etc. etc.)

In my opinion a way to eventually "break the bank" or in this case put "The Power Of Real Money" back in the hands of ,"We The People" as the founding fathers in the USA originally intended, is for "We The People" to accumulate as much Gold/Silver as the budget allows.

Lets do some math for Gold only, since I don't have a clue as to how much Silver is out there!

There is supposed to be about 33,000 tonnes in Central banks and about 70,000 tonnes(mostly Gold jewellery)in private hands.(However the 24 carat Gold jewellery could also be classified as monetary Gold)

The simple fact is if "We The People" are able to buy up the majority of the central bank Gold and use it in commerce as "REAL" money it maaaaaay break the power hold the governments//banks possess now.

So if we multiply 33,000 tonnes by the 32,150 ounces in a metric ton we come up with: about 1,060,950,000 ounces of central bank Gold, which seems like an awful large amount until you realize that about "TWICE" that amount is "ALREADY" in private hands,,,,,,And the many, many people of China have just started their accumulation stage.

Lets say out of the billions of people in the world only 100,000,000 have the ability to "SAVE" for a rainy day or their own retirement or whatever savers save for.......Which would again divide out to a little over 10 ounces per person or about $4,000.00 in U.S. dollars per person......A huge sum you might correctly say for the average person from a third world country........And you would be right,,,,,,But not an overwhelming figure for around 20 or 30 million affluent American/Canadian/New Zealand/Australian/Japanese/English/German/European///etc.etc.....however with these new "Digital Gold Currencies" just now coming into widespread circulation, the ownership of Gold is now again available for the masses of people with limited means and who truly understand exactly how fraudulent the worlds monetary systems have become.

(qwerty again)-we need to take some action...

(beesting again)-I'm taking action by saving physical & "Digital" Gold right now, how about any of you reading out there??????????? Are you taking action or just waiting for the so called "Stalker" to buy up all the available Gold?????

By the way James Turk of Goldmoney.com started a plan called "GAP" which is a way to accumulate Gold on a monthly basis for only 1.9% over the "Spot" POG.

Thanks For Reading.........beesting.

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shillspec still doesn't get it. -- SLATT, 14:00:03 10/30/03 Thu

You are not a miner nor a geologist. You merely buy mining stocks while deluding yourself that you possess any level of expertise regarding your investment. You are as much in the know as those who lost their shirts in Enron or the tech wreck. You are a sucker begging to be fleeced. And you picked the right type of investments for just that.

Odd that you make comparisons for stocks you picked though do not show the change in stock prices. Also any stock valuation is meaningless unless it is sold at a profit at better than average yields for other investments over that period of time. Unless you wish to regale us with all the dividend income you have realized from the list of stocks you posted over the past 8 months? You at least make me laugh.

You should stick to mining molars.

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dotti -- qwerty, 13:25:41 10/30/03 Thu

>I don't trust most of the information on the Internet--and certainly not that on the media news.

the NWO has a massive presence on the internet plus they subvert search engines ... that is why it takes time, experience and some energy to get a bearing on the truth

put the search for truth on the big things

Costa Rica ... Land prices tend to be higher but when the gold train takes all of us over the moutain then it won't be a problem

if gold goes over $1000 an ounce, i think many of us will be well over at least a million dollars if not a whole lot more. they have more dollar based economies down there so a depreciating currency will hopefully not impact prices i don't think.

i probably would like to get a farm like set up and something near the ocean where one can grow ones food and even get real cows and get the real milk

I just read that one can buy real estate in nicaragua and one doesn't need to be a citizen. only 1% tax. that's pretty good. a lot of countries require citizenship.

nicaragua has been one of the countries near the top of my list to investigate

although the politicians in nicaragua of all parties as they are here, seem to be on the NWO payroll ... they seem to be pushing NWO agenda stuff on the nicaraguan people even in face of a lot of protest ...

i know if i was looking to retire and i did't have much money and i wasn't brainwashed into thinking i need the "modern" medical system then i would retire to the southern hemisphere. live very inexpensively and better

once we get above 500 gold, i will hopefully have commenced my search for a home

i was thinking of using new hampshire as a temporary residence just in case a miracle occurs and the patriot act gets cancelled ... nice thing about new hamshire geographically is that it is near the ocean, near vermont, near canadian border ... potentially, a lot of free thinking people could do something

if more politically aware people move there, maybe there will be enough critical mass to do something ... the biggest obstacle will be awareness of COINTELPRO and whether they watch their politicians like a hawk ... the nwo still controls the state politicians just like they do in vermont

listen to "the power hour" with joyce reilly and dave klondienst ... they try to document everything they say ... they'll make your head spin ... it is well worth it ... plus they are bible christians which you may like ... you'll like them ... i'd rank them number one in the country as far as info on what is going on ... this is one of the radio station shows i will expect to fall when the really dark days approach ... they plan on being there to the very end

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@qwerty, et al -- dotti, 12:15:58 10/30/03 Thu

qwerty: "all it takes for evil to triumph is for all good men ( and women ) to do nothing or or delude oneself or be indifferent or just forget about it"

Even with the Internet, the main source of "information" for the masses is programmed news. I don't trust most of the information on the Internet--and certainly not that on the media news. I don't know what is true anymore. Nor does anyone else, as far as I can see. Not you, either, querty!

Heeding the Serenity Prayer, I just focus on my day-to-day. Although, I have thought of Costa rica.

Take care.

dotti

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There it isn't -- volavka, 11:25:16 10/30/03 Thu

There is no such thing as the patriot act:

It is the Psittaciformes act.
Or the puppet act.

ONLY YOU CAN GOVERN YOURSELF.
Todays gold action; warm up to allow last shorts out..

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Cor Tauri and dotti ... JUSTICE -- qwerty, 10:35:37 10/30/03 Thu

my sense of things ...

People have this enormous ability to forget, disaasociate and compartmentalize their information. Also there are the people who are indifferent or apathetic about other people in general or who will commit any unethical deed against other people without any compunction. For them, they got theres, so there is no problem as far as they can see.

Those listed above are the people who truly deserve the NWO. These people make up the overwhelming majority of people

Like I was talking about yesterday. How could so many veterans on a vast scale be murdered and assaulted but hardly anyone is aware. Surely, one would think they would speak out. Amazingly, only a small fraction of one percent ever spoke out. Who are warnin the younger generations. It is the former soldiers who should be at the forefront. Inspite of these treasonous acts, they either remain silent or just too dumb to even function. There is an internet which allows even house bound people to speak out. Amazingly, they don't. Just a handfull.

The same behavior pattern gets repeated over and over by victims of other government covert operations in the population.

Many spouses get violence committed against them by their other spouse. Inspite of this, they stay with the other spouse. So much of the population are psychologically addicted to the constant abuse. They rationalize it. They can't break out of the herd instinct.

Do most people get the kind of government and rights they deserve ?

MY answer is definitely YES.

this is why we have the patriot act

people just stake out there little part of the land and anything outside of that they just don't care. as long as their little world is ok, they just go along with the bigger program. murder or repression or false imprisonment by the government doesn't bother them. they rationalize it away.

Are the treasonous criminals getting justice ?

My answer is - in the context of this world, they are. they are thriving and should be.

Most of the people are mindless cogs with personal self interest agendas mixed in.

For the people who truly have a desire for freedom and realize what is happening ...they don't deserve to live in this shit hole of a world

personally, if there were alternate worlds where freedom truly is supported by a large bastion among the beings living there, i would pack up and leave. The NWO and all that stuff wouldn't even bother me. The questions of justice would be irrelevant. If I died there and i would reincarnate, it would be a preferrable place to be

On a practical level, all one can do is try to avoid the destruction. I use to think of this country as home but I have been forced by things like the patriot act to think on global view.

One has to think in terms of maybe - where on earth can i have the most freedom and happiness ... money does buy freedom to some degree on this planet ...

for us who truly care about what is happening, we need to take action ... and that may mean something as simple as getting out of the way and just taking a few protective measures

i don't know how large our numbers are but let's just say that as far as invasion of the body snatchers ... the pods are pretty much taken over ... best to let them suffer the consequences for their pod like behavior

if the california election is any barometers, our numbers are maybe 5% or maybe a fraction of a percent

as the noose grows tighter especially economically, i expect more people to wake up on a more primitive level but it won't be enough ... they won't even have the intelligence to understand what they are up against or what is happening ... they will even vote for NWO candidates without having a clue ... they won't have anyone to blame but themselves

so there is justice but it is on the terms of a population that accepts or is indifferent to corruption, treason, indifference and injustice ... and also on terms with the intelligence level of people that allow them to compartmentalize, disaasociate and forget with amazing consistency

all it takes for evil to triumph is for all good men ( and women ) to do nothing or or delude oneself or be indifferent or just forget about it

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@Cor Tauri -- dotti, 06:49:43 10/30/03 Thu

Thanks for your post--and the kind regards.

I think that I was in a moment of sheer desperation at the time of my post. I agree with you--no punishment in this world for those of evil nature. Particularly with regard to those we refer to as TPTB--those behind the curtains for generations, manipulating through (free) markets and wars.

I, like you, get flashes of something that seems profound--far above and beyond what my level of knowledge would justify.

I am a Christian, brought to faith through reason, and trust that this world is not our true destiny. Tribulations here are not more than we can endure.

I am fascinated by the world we live in and the way that others perceive and respond to a "reality" that seems weird to me--while my "reality" would, indeed, seem conspiracy-ladden to them.

Oops. I have lapsed into babble. I have a show this weekend and need to be in the studio. Just checked in to refill my coffee and saw your post. Always nice to get a nice response.

Do you have an opinion on the record growth in GDP? I suspect it has to do with the fact that going from .1 to .2 is 100% growth, etc. Don't know the numbers and don't have the time/incentive to look them up.

Take care.

dotti

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dotti -- Cor Tauri, 06:31:25 10/30/03 Thu

Hello, I think you have been here or at kitco as long if not longer than I have. I've never had occasion to post at you, but I have always gotten the impression from your posts that I should respect and admire you.
You asked when would the bad guys get "what is coming to them...when will it really happen?"
Understand that I don't really know anything. I used to be a rational, reasonable, pragmatic person. That is changing, I am becoming an idealistic, flaky "new-ager" sort of person. I'm not waving crystals around yet, but you know the sort, and like all of that ilk, my ilk I guess, I think I know profound stuff, that I really can't possibly know. What I want to suggest is that I have come to believe that the bad guys are not going to get whats coming to them. At least not in anyway I can watch. I am not certain that there is any sort of cosmic justice. And I am very certain that there will be no justice for these folks in our world. They are going to get away with every terrible thing that they have ever done. At least it will appear that way to the rest of us. I am almost ok with that. I mean if I had a way of bringing them to account, I would do it, but I don't. What will happen is that their activities will stop. They may start some new mischief, or some other group may replace them. Then again maybe not. The world seems to be changing. I don't know if it's because of some imminent pole shift or awareness thing. It may only be that it is now technologiclly possible for any very small group with a fringe ideology to wield as much military and economc power as any very large nation. If so I think that the beginning of the obsolescence of nation states is at hand. Perhaps humanity will devolve into some sort of Mad Max world. Maybe humanity will "ascend" and there will be peace and love. Maybe I will look into buying a nice crystal to wave around, and some .22 ammo to sit on. As I said, I don't know, but really deep down, do you believe these people will ever be brought to justice in our world?

Very Best Regards

p.s. I purchased Nevsun at $0.33 US and sold a bit more than half at $0.64 US. My spirit guide suggested them. No, not really it was someone on Kitco and I looked into them and liked what I saw. It was some deamon of some sort that suggested I buy an equal value of Intl. Taurus.

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Good Morning, All! -- dotti, 06:04:29 10/30/03 Thu

"Economic growth for third quarter is best in 19 years."

From CBS Market Watch.

Comments?

TIA.

dotti

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WW IV -- 6 pack, 01:33:54 10/30/03 Thu

"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East." President George Bush 25 June 2003 Haaretz

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/world_war_4.htm

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suuure -- number six, 00:12:16 10/30/03 Thu

Yep Volavka, that was me who bought all 9 million shares of apll.ob, right after I gave Miranda Otto and Veronica Zemanova a good seeing to... in the back seat of my solid gold Bugatti.

But seriously, up 60% in one day was quite fun; I usually never get the timing just right like that. Thanks for the original tip.

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Buffett sells the dollar... -- Netking, 23:30:26 10/29/03 Wed

Snip from The Daily Reckoning [Fair use copyright protection etc]

Addison Wiggin, writing in Paris...

- The Sage of Omaha said he never bought foreign currency - until now. Yesterday's BBC report tells us that Warren Buffett is worried about the dollar. The U.S. government deficit has "greatly worsened," he said, "to the point that our country's 'net worth,' so to speak, is now being transferred abroad at an alarming rate." The budget deficit this year is nearly twice the previous record.

- "Our country [the U.S.] has been behaving like an extraordinarily rich family that possesses an immense farm," Buffett warned in an interview with Fortune magazine. "In order to consume 4% more than we produce - that's the trade deficit - we have, day by day, been both selling pieces of the farm and increasing the mortgage on what we still own." Continuing his analogy, Buffett goes on to explain that, as foreign ownership of the "farm" grows, income flows out of America in the form of dividends and interest payments.

- The U.S. trade deficit with China was a record $11.7 billion in August, according to U.S. government figures cited by Bloomberg. The trade gap with China, which widened to $77 billion in the first 8 months of this year, was a record $103 billion last year. "We have entered the world of negative compounding," laments Warren. "Goodbye pleasure, hello pain."

- Back in the bubble days - when New Era hero George Gilder and his ilk 'got it' - Buffett was crying wolf. When it came to investing in Cisco, Yahoo!, or Amazon, Buffett just didn't 'get it.' He couldn't understand the valuations...so he stayed away. And unlike the thousands - nay millions - of investors with the New Era light flashing in their eyes, Buffet still has his money. In fact, as we pointed out a few days back, Buffet has more money than he has investment ideas.

- "I am crying wolf again," Buffett continues, "and this time, I'm backing it with Berkshire Hathaway money. Through the spring of 2002, I had lived nearly 72 years without purchasing a foreign currency. Since then Berkshire has made significant investments in - and today holds - several currencies."

- Coca Cola announced another layoff yesterday. Nine hundred more people will get pink slips. Coca Cola was one of the companies that helped make Berkshire Hathaway shareholders into millionaires...and Buffett famous for it. Now he regrets not having sold the stock in '99...he wished he had got going when the going was good.

- Easy Al and his Fed pals decided after breakfast yesterday to further underwrite the rapidly swelling U.S. asset and housing bubbles; they left interest rates unchanged at 50-year lows. And there they will remain for at least another six weeks.

- "Surely it must mean something when U.S. house prices are up nearly 20% in two years," writes our London correspondent, Sean Corrigan, commenting on the Fed's decision, "pushing up medical costs, tuition fees and insurance premiums by double digits, too? Or that good, old, speculative equities are roaring - with Semiconductors up 136%, Internets up 142% and Networkers up 209%? Or that four major commodities indices - each with a different composition - are up between 37% and 55% from their late- 2001 lows?

- "Doesn't it matter that long bond yields on U.S. Treasuries have risen 1% from their lows...meaning a 14% drop in T-bill prices? Shouldn't economists worry that U.S. household credit continues to boom, as current and budget accounts yawn ever-wider to record gaps...?"

- Well, apparently not. The Fed's official communiqué stated: "The probability, though minor, of an unwelcome fall in inflation exceeds that of a rise in inflation from its already low level. The Committee judges that, on balance, the risk of inflation becoming undesirably low remains the predominant concern for the foreseeable future. In these circumstances, the Committee believes that policy accommodation can be maintained for a considerable period."

- In plain English, the Central Bank of history's greatest debtor nation thinks it wise to keep on fuelling today's enormous consumption of capital.

- The lumps loved it...by the market's close, fools had rushed in to push the Dow up 140 to 9748, the S&P 500 up 15 to 1046, and the Nasdaq up 49 points to 1932. One wonders whether the greater fools will show up when those in question decide that buying stocks at these valuations isn't such a good idea.

- Select foreign currencies also loved the Fed's decision. "The Kiwi [New Zealand Dollar]," writes Chuck Butler, our friend over at the Everbank trading desk, "hit a 6-year high overnight, and hasn't stopped on profit taking! In December 1997, the Kiwi last traded at .6142, and again, it was going in an opposite direction then on the slippery slope down to 39 cents 3 years later! Both the Aussie [Australian Dollar] and Kiwi got a nice kick when the Fed left rates unchanged, which gives the positive interest rate differential that both of these enjoy, new life!"

http://www.everbank.com/main.asp?affid=eb&idpage=pro_wc&referID=11570

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New $20 Dollar Bill -- Au_Wag, 23:05:25 10/29/03 Wed

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Shillspec's Track Record -- Shillspec, 21:31:47 10/29/03 Wed

Just for the record:

I posted on 2/26/03 that there were many 'pregnant' mining stories abounding in the junior/explorers. I listed the following as examples:

XCL
SWG
Nevsun
Cordero
Wolfson
Altius
Aurora Platinum
SSO
Virginia
Tan Range
Vista
Almaden
BPN
etc

I challenge mr Slurs, Lies & Temper Tantrums to pick any 5 of these companies and we'd make a lil wager as to the outcome of these particular issues. Of course, I was told that mr slatt doesn't wager even though he clearly does wager on sports. BUT, he's a mining expert.

Well, it looks like it's a pretty good thing that he doesn't wager, no? I wish someone would "shill" me such early stories.

XCL.........now at .66C
SWG.........recently at 29.00 C
Nevsun......just hit $8 C
Cardero.....2.00 C
Wolfson.....4.90 C
Altius......2.85 C
Aurora......2.85 C
SSO.........Has hit over 11.00 C
Virginia....5.74 C

Tan Range...Has hit 2.00 C
Vista.......5.74 C
Almaden......1.59 C
Bpn............43 C

OOPS! Looks like one would have absolutely cleaned up taking ANY 5 of these "SHILLS". BIG winners almost to the tout. What more is there to say other than:

Please give us your best advice mr mining "expert". I will, still, fight for your right to free-moronic speech.

Sorry {not really}.........

Give it up slatt

play 'gotcha' w someone else

G'night

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Current POG, POS, POP & U$D Live Price -- CHARTs, 21:14:49 10/29/03 Wed

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"signs" -- Tree in the Forest, 21:07:41 10/29/03 Wed

We are seeing unusual signs now. Roustabouts in the west are now working 24 hours a day drilling and fracing gas wells. They are preparing fields for max max output. The reasoning given is that they must finish prior to herd migrations in the middle of November. But this year is far busier than any previous year. It looks like panic mode.
An insider buys huge amounts of gold on a speedy timetable. Sure, insiders have been accumulating for quite sometime. But one senses that the end is nigh. There is this sense of great urgency. Also, take a look at November's calendar setup. I've discussed this before. I know that you think I'm crazy (sometimes I think I am crazy). But consider that the wealthy never take chances with their money. They insist upon a sure thing. Everything must be in alignment (including, perhaps, the stars) before an important move like the one we see coming. Your last opportunity to buy gold at a low price may be here. Make the most of it.

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Slurs, Lies And Temper Tantrums -- mini{ng}, 20:59:11 10/29/03 Wed

Those "shills" have brought forth 2X, 5X, and more.....just getting warmed up mr 'mining expert' who owns none. I guess those secondary silver mines were brought into being with a snap of the fingers..........so "easy" eh? Primary silver has to be started from scratch yet secondary silver already exists? Hahaha. SLATT logic @ it's best.

Nice to know you read my stuff. Until we don't meet agin..........

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WRONG AGAIN (sigh sigh sigh) -- SLATT, 20:44:22 10/29/03 Wed

"There's no accounting for peoples' thought processes; right here @ ER we got a bloke who thinks it's 'easier' to set up a secondary silver mine than it is to take readily available silver from near surface. Fortunately for him he doesn't buy mining stox, yet he claims to be expert. I guess when they find secondary silver down near the center of the Earth, he'll want a part of that action because the silver will somehow be "free". OK............."

No need to set up any "secondary" mines. The mines and the production already exist. And compared to you and any silver shill "expert" du jour you wish to tout, yes, I am an expert. But not in the shilling of mining stocks, rather the science which is misrepresented and twisted in order to separate suckers from their money. Stick to drilling teeth, since it is as deep as your understanding of mining gets.

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qwertyuiop[] -- auspec, 20:28:18 10/29/03 Wed

{smile}

Yes, $1B plus is a big nut to crack. How exactly it's covered is most ionteresting. This "Stalker" wouldn't be taking $1B down from Crimex, would he? I don't have the numbers off the top of the head {or the bottom} but I don't think Crimex could handle a $1B delivery order and still function anywhere near curreent levels. Am I wrong?

Sinclair? He was at the N.O. Conference last year and drew a crowd everywhere he went. Very straight laced in appearance and somewhat professorial. Did not mind being the center of attention to put it mildly, and that really is not a criticism. He was and is again, "Mr. Gold". He's a trading genius and has guts to back it up, an unbeatable combination. Personally, I still believe him to be the "Pied Piper of Paper Gold" though as he draws so many into the paper games of Crimex. Delivery is the only game that should be played on Crimex as far as I'm concerned. He's personally winning a rigged game and in the process lending credence to it. That's yesterday's war. Oh well.

Still, I read him regularly and greatly admire his knowledge. Much to learn. I had opportunity to ask him when exactly he knew all wasn't exactly right in the gold market, thinking about the GATA process at the time, and he said in the mid 1990's. Now he says the market isn't really manipulated as GATA alledges. Can't have it both ways. Barrikk ties concern me frankly. How can they not? Now I see JS giving it to others, like Andy Smith, about 'elitist connections'.

In sum total...........JS is a most worthy Generalissimo, but I'm still keeping a close eye on him.

Yes, the 'cabal' constantly buys in order to sell later. I have always thought they could work off a good deal of any off-side position in this manner. The opportunities to make money in each direction, mostly known in advance, have been near limitless. Still, current buying is overwhelming and if they join in instead of sell we will be off to the races. Every level that has been defended since the $250's has fallen...........$400 soon to follow. That's simply bad strategy but what else could one expect from these central planners. Why did Communism supposedly fail? They say that their markets had no resemblance to true values because of government interference in these processes. Misallocations of capital. Well, let's look at that a little closer to home, eh? If that's really why the Iron Curtain came down we're not too far behind. They bankrupted and we're bankrupt but still in denial.

$400 would be real nice but, in reality, that's only about 3.5% higher than current price of $380. No big deal in actuality. Short covering rally........? No, not like most have been looking for in the last 6 or so years. Simple monetization is the substitute as many have stated at ER FAR before other experts. Raise the bar, monetize, paper over the problem.............that's what weill continue to see in the coming months. EVERY defended level will continue to fall because of the arrogance of the elitist bankers. They simply DON"T have enough good sense to defend a position $50 higher, as some of us continue to tell em. They could buy themselves enough time to extricate their short positions if they didn't insist on their all or none approach. Alas {party hardy}, the die is cast.

They want a stealth bull market in gold? Works for me. What could be much better? I still ask around for more common interest in gold by the public and it's non existent. This with stocks going 2X, 5X, 10X and more. Nothing quite like having the punch bowl to oneself.

"Financial intelligence"? Like you mention.........many get the inside scoop and literally steal from other participants. "We" do have to read between the lines, but at least we're looking there and capable of understanding what exactly is going on. Everyone else is just plain screwed, ne? The poor sheared sheep, as always.

New Orleans is sold out this year. 2 years ago it was OK but still somewhat sparsely attended. There is plenty of money for exploration these days and acquisitions will soon be front page once more. The wall of worry is still front and center and makes for great comfort.......GREED will follow somewhere along the line.

My personal philosophy, since the Bre-X scandal and SEVERE gold stock declines, has simply been that, regardless of how long it takes, we're sooner or later going to have ANOTHER mania. Cycles, nada mas, nada menos. Patience wins that game. Only a complete fool, or a central planner, would try to intervene in the cyclicality of markets.

There's no accounting for peoples' thought processes; right here @ ER we got a bloke who thinks it's 'easier' to set up a secondary silver mine than it is to take readily available silver from near surface. Fortunately for him he doesn't buy mining stox, yet he claims to be expert. I guess when they find secondary silver down near the center of the Earth, he'll want a part of that action because the silver will somehow be "free". OK.............

Butler is strongly in favor of keeping Crimex open because it is an American institution. Might as well keep our bot and paid for Congress on the dole while we're at it or our supposedly free press. Krud, folks.........run it honest or SHUT IT DOWN!!! Why celebrate the Commies failing for central planning but cherish it when we do the same? Ted............I love ya man, but you're becoming the Pied Piper of Paper Silver. You and Sinclair make perfect bookends. TAKE DELIVERY AS THE RULES ALLOW AND RUN IT HONEST OR SHUT IT DOWN!!! WHO NEEDS DISHONEST MARKETS???

Heading for the epicenter soon.

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controlled media -- qwerty, 19:54:06 10/29/03 Wed

Operation Mockingbird -
The Subversion Of America's Free Press By The CIA
http://www.psychicspy.com/ciamed.txt

"You could get a journalist cheaper than a good
call girl, for a couple hundred dollars a month."
CIA operative discussing with Philip Graham, editor
Washington Post, on the availability and prices of
journalists willing to peddle CIA propaganda and
cover stories. "Katherine The Great," by Deborah
Davis (New York: Sheridan Square Press, 1991)

As terrible as it is to live in a nation where the
press in known to be controlled by the government,
at least one has the advantage of knowing the bias
is present, and to adjust for it. In the United
States of America, we are taught from birth that
our press is free from such government meddling.
This is an insideous lie about the very nature of
the news institution in this country. One that
allows the government to lie to us while denying
the very fact of the lie itself.

The Alex Constantine Article

Tales from the Crypt The Depraved Spies and Moguls
of the CIA's Operation MOCKINGBIRD

By Alex Constantine

Who Controls the Media?

Soulless corporations do, of course. Corporations
with grinning, double-breasted executives,
interlocking directorates, labor squabbles and
flying capital. Dow. General Electric. Coca-Cola.
Disney. Newspapers should have mastheads that
mirror the world: The Westinghouse Evening
Scimitar, The Atlantic-Richfield Intelligentser .
It is beginning to dawn on a growing number of
armchair ombudsmen that the public print reports
news from a parallel universe - one that has never
heard of politically-motivated assassinations,
CIA-Mafia banking thefts, mind control, death
squads or even federal agencies with secret budgets
fattened by cocaine sales - a place overrun by lone
gunmen, where the CIA and Mafia are usually on
their best behavior. In this idyllic land, the most
serious infraction an official can commit __is a
the employment of a domestic servant with (shudder)
no residency status.

This unlikely land of enchantment is the creation
of MOCKINGBIRD.

It was conceived in the late 1940s, the most frigid
period of the cold war, when the CIA began a
systematic infiltration of the corporate media, a
process that often included direct takeover of
major news outlets.

In this period, the American intelligence services
competed with communist activists abroad to
influence European labor unions. With or without
the cooperation of local governments, Frank Wisner,
an undercover State Department official assigned to
the Foreign Service, rounded up students abroad to
enter the cold war underground of covert operations
on behalf of his Office of Policy Coordination.
Philip Graham, __a graduate of the Army
Intelligence School in Harrisburg, PA, then
publisher of the Washington Post., was taken under
Wisner's wing to direct the program code-named
Operation MOCKINGBIRD.

"By the early 1950s," writes former Village Voice
reporter Deborah Davis in Katharine the Great,
"Wisner 'owned' respected members of the New York
Times, Newsweek, CBS and other communications
vehicles, plus stringers, four to six hundred in
all, according to a former CIA analyst." The
network was overseen by Allen Dulles, a templar for
German and American corporations who wanted their
points of view represented in the public print.
Early MOCKINGBIRD influenced 25 newspapers and wire
agencies consenting to act as organs of CIA
propaganda. Many of these were already run by men
with reactionary views, among them William Paley
(CBS), C.D. Jackson (Fortune), Henry Luce (Time)
and Arthur Hays Sulzberger (N.Y. Times).

Activists curious about the workings of MOCKINGBIRD
have since been appalled to f__ind in FOIA
documents that agents boasting in CIA office memos
of their pride in having placed "important assets"
inside every major news publication in the country.
It was not until 1982 that the Agency openly
admitted that reporters on the CIA payroll have
acted as case officers to agents in the field.

"World War III has begun," Henry's Luce's Life
declared in March, 1947. "It is in the opening
skirmish stage already." The issue featured an
excerpt of a book by James Burnham, who called for
the creation of an "American Empire,"
"world-dominating in political power, set up at
least in part through coercion (probably including
war, but certainly the threat of war) and in which
one group of people ... would hold more than its
equal share of power."

George Seldes, the famed anti-fascist media critic,
drew down on Luce in 1947, explaining tha__t
"although avoiding typical Hitlerian phrases, the
same doctrine of a superior people taking over the
world and ruling it, began to appear in the press,
whereas the organs of Wall Street were much more
honest in favoring a doctrine inevitably leading to
war if it brought greater commercial markets under
the American flag."

On the domestic front, an abiding relationship was
struck between the CIA and William Paley, a wartime
colonel and the founder of CBS. A firm believer in
"all forms of propaganda" to foster loyalty to the
Pentagon, Paley hired CIA agents to work undercover
at the behest of his close friend, the busy grey
eminence of the nation's media, Allen Dulles.
Paley's designated go-between in his dealings with
the CIA was Sig Mickelson, president of CBS News
from 1954 to 1961.

The CIA's assimilation of old guard fascists was
overseen by the Operations Coordination Board,
directed by C.D. Jackson, formerly an executive of
Time magazine and Eisenhower's Special Assistant
for Cold War Strategy. In 1954 he was succeeded by
Nelson Rockefeller, who quit a year later,
disgusted at the administration's political
infighting. Vice President Nixon succeeded
Rockefeller as the key cold war strategist.

"Nixon," writes John Loftus, a former attorney for
the Justice Department's Office of Special
Investigations, took "a small boy's delight in the
arcane tools of the intelligence craft - the hidden
microphones, the 'black' propaganda." Nixon
especially enjoyed his visit to a Virginia training
camp to observe Nazis in the "special forces"
drilling at covert operations.

One of the fugitives recruited by the American
intelligence underground was heroin smuggler Hubert
von Blcher, the son of A German ambassador. Hubert
often bragged that that he was trained by the
Abwehr, the German military intelligence division,
while still a civilian in his twenties. He served
in a recon unit of the German Army until forced out
for medical reasons in 1944, according to his
wartime records. He worked briefly as an assistant
director for Berlin-Film on a movie entitled One
Day ..., and finished out the war flying with the
Luftwaffe, but not to engage the enemy - his
mission was the smuggling of Nazi loot out of the
country. His exploits were, in part, the subject of
Sayer and Botting's Nazi Gold, an account of the
knockover of the Reichsbank at the end of the war.

In 1948 he flew the coop to Argentina. Posing as a
photographer named Huberto von Bleucher Corell, he
immediately paid court to Eva Peron, presenting her
with an invaluable Gobelin tapestry (a selection
from the wealth of artifacts confiscated by the SS
from Europe's Jews?). Hubert then met with Martin
Bormann at the Hotel Plaza to deliver German marks
worth $80 million. The loot financed the birth of
the National Socialist Party in Argentina, among
other forms of Nazi revival.

In 1951, Hubert migrated northward and took a job
at the Color Corporation of America in Hollywood.
He eked out a living writing scripts for the
booming movie industry. His voice can be heard on a
film set in the Amazon, produced by Walt Disney.
Nine years later he returned to Buenos Aires, then
Dsseldorf, West Germany, and established a firm
that developed not movie scripts, but anti-chemical
warfare agents for the government. At the Industrie
Club in Dsseldorf in 1982, von Blcher boasted to
journalists, "I am chief shareholder of Pan
American Airways. I am the best friend of Howard
Hughes. The Beach Hotel in Las Vegas is 45 percent
financed by me. I am thus the biggest financier
ever to appear in the Arabian Nights tales dreamed
up by these people over their second bottle of
brandy."

Not really. Two the biggest financiers to stumble
from the drunken dreams of world-moving affluence
were, in their time, Moses Annenberg, publisher of
The Philadelphia Inquirer, and his son Walter , the
CIA/mob-anchored publisher of the TV Guide. Like
most American high-rollers, Annenberg lived a
double life. Moses, his father, was a scion of the
Capone mob. Both Moses and Walter were indicted in
1939 for tax evasions totalling many millions of
dollars - the biggest case in the history of the
Justice Department. Moses pled guilty and agreed to
pay the government $8 million and settle $9 million
in assorted tax claims, penalties and interest
debts. Moses received a three-year sentence. He
died in Lewisburg Penitentiary.

Walter Annenbeg, the TV Guide magnate, was a lofty
Republican. On the campaign trail in April, 1988,
George Bush flew into Los Angeles to woo Reagan's
kitchen cabinet. "This is the topping on the cake,"
Bush's regional campaign director told the Los
Angeles Times. The Bush team met at Annenberg's
plush Rancho Mirage estate at Sunnylands,
California. It was at the Annenberg mansion that
Nixon's cabinet was chosen, and the state's social
and contributor registers built over a
quarter-century of state political dominance by
Ronald Reagan, whose acting career was launched by
Operation MOCKINGBIRD.

The commercialization of television, coinciding
with Reagan's recruitment by the Crusade for
Freedom, a CIA front, presented the intelligence
world with unprecedented potential for sowing
propaganda and even prying in the age of Big
Brother. George Orwell glimpsed the possibilities
when he installed omniscient video surveillance
technology in 1948, a novel rechristened 1984 for
the first edition published in the U.S. by
Harcourt, Brace. Operation Octopus, according to

{{ Anniversary of Terror: October 12 - Operation Octopus
I was reminded this morning - as if anyone could ever forget- by a
newsman that October 11 would mark the one-month anniversaryof the
terrorist attack on America. Memorial services will be heldin New
York and Washington for the victims
http://www.theperspective.org/octopus.html ]]

federal files, was in full swing by 1948, a
surveillance program that turned any television set
with tubes into a broadcast transmitter. Agents of
Octopus could pick up audio and visual images with
the equipment as far as 25 miles away.

Hale Boggs was investigating Operation Octopus at
the time of his disappearance in the midst of the
Watergate probe.

In 1952, at MCA, Actors' Guild president Ronald
Reagan - a screen idol recruited by MOCKINGBIRD's
Crusade for Freedom to raise funds for the
resettlement of Nazis in the U.S., according to
Loftus - signed a secret waiver of the
conflict-of-interest rule with the mob-controlled
studio, in effect granting it a labor monopoly on
early television programming. In exchange, MCA made
Reagan a part owner. Furthermore, historian C. Vann
Woodward, writing in the New York Times, in 1987,
reported that Reagan had "fed the names of suspect
people in his organization to the FBI secretly and
regularly enough to be assigned 'an informer's code
number, T-10.' His FBI file indicates intense
collaboration with producers to 'purge' the
industry of subversives."

No one ever turned a suspicious eye on Walter
Cronkite, a former intelligence officer and in the
immediate postwar period UPI's Moscow
correspondent. Cronkite was lured to CBS by
Operation MOCKINGBIRD's Phil Graham, according to
Deborah Davis.

Another television conglomerate, Cap Cities, rose
like a horror-film simian from CIA and Mafia heroin
operations. Among other organized-crime
Republicans, Thomas Dewey and his neighbor Lowell
Thomas threw in to launch the infamous Resorts
International, the corporate front for Lansky's
branch of the federally-sponsored mob family and
the corporate precursor to Cap Cities. Another of
the investors was James Crosby, a Cap Cities
executive who donated $100,000 to Nixon's 1968
presidential campaign. This was the year that
Resorts bought into Atlantic City casino interests.
Police in New jersey attempted, with no success, to
spike the issuance of a gambling license to the
company, citing Mafia ties.

In 1954, this same circle of investors, all
Catholics, founded the broadcasting company
notorious for overt propagandizing and general
spookiness. The company's chief counsel was OSS
veteran William Casey, who clung to his shares by
concealing them in a blind trust even after he was
appointed CIA director by Ronald Reagan in 1981.

"Black radio" was the phrase CIA critic David Wise
coined in The Invisible Government to describe the
agency's intertwining interests in the emergence of
the transistor radio with the entrepreneurs who
took to the airwaves. "Daily, East and West beam
hundreds of propaganda broadcasts at each other in
an unrelenting babble of competition for the minds
of their listeners. The low-price transistor has
given the hidden war a new importance," enthused
one foreign correspondent.

A Hydra of private foundations sprang up to finance
the propaganda push. One of them, Operations and
Policy Research, Inc. (OPR), received hundreds of
thousands of dollars from the CIA through private
foundations and trusts. OPR research was the basis
of a television series that aired in New York and
Washington, D.C. in 1964, Of People and Politics, a
"study" of the American political system in 21
weekly installments.

In Hollywood, the visual cortex of The Beast, the
same CIA/Mafia combination that formed Cap Cities
sank its claws into the film studios and labor
unions. Johnny Rosselli was pulled out of the Army
during the war by a criminal investigation of
Chicago mobsters in the film industry. Rosselli, a
CIA asset probably assassinated by the CIA, played
sidekick to Harry Cohn, the Columbia Pictures mogul
who visited Italy's Benito Mussolini in 1933, and
upon his return to Hollywood remodeled his office
after the dictator's. The only honest job Rosselli
ever had was assistant purchasing agent (and a
secret investor) at Eagle Lion productions, run by
Bryan Foy, a former producer for 20th Century Fox.
Rosselli, Capone's representative on the West
Coast, passed a small fortune in mafia investments
to Cohn. Bugsy Seigel pooled gambling investments
with Billy Wilkerson, publisher of the Hollywood
Reporter.

In the 1950s, outlays for global propaganda climbed
to a full third of the CIA's covert operations
budget. Some 3, 000 salaried and contract CIA
employees were eventually engaged in propaganda
efforts. The cost of disinforming the world cost
American taxpayers an estimated $265 million a year
by 1978, a budget larger than the combined
expenditures of Reuters, UPI and the AP news
syndicates.

In 1977, the Copely News Service admitted that it
worked closely with the intelligence services - in
fact, 23 employees were full-time employees of the
Agency.

Most consumers of the corporate media were - and
are - unaware of the effect that the salting of
public opinion has on their own beliefs. A network
anchorman in time of national crisis is an
instrument of psychological warfare in the
MOCKINGBIRD media. He is a creature from the
national security sector's chamber of horrors. For
this reason consumers of the corporate press have
reason to examine their basic beliefs about
government and life in the parallel universe of
these United States.

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correction -- qwerty, 19:39:59 10/29/03 Wed

correction

> the informers got paid off to point out "communists"

the informers got paid off by the communists controlling the white house, congress, intelligence and military, who were in charge of searching the US government for communists, to point out "communists"

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dotti -- qwerty, 19:33:45 10/29/03 Wed

there is the attack on the Liberty during johnson era

israeli pilots knew the ship was american but were ordered to attack

the johnson and the cabal in america were hoping the ship would be completely destroyed so there would be no witnesses ... another gulf of tonkin incident ... manufacture an incident and use the lies built up around it as a pretext

johnson carried out treason along with democrat and republican members of congress who did nothing ... all those deaths happened with collusion

imagine going in the military on the assumption you fighting for america only to be murdered by your own govt by various ways and for hidden agendas

the most sickening aspect of an investigation now is that it is over 30 years later ... how much of this delayed investigation shit can people put up with ... it is their modus operandi ... the public simply doesn't care ... if you point this out to people, they will say ... "well, that happened a long time ago, it is not like that anymore" ...

the military is really for the real dumb feckers

there was this guy who came back from guatanamo bay and i asked about the guilt of the imprisoned people. he said they were guilty. i said, how do you know. he said, because they were pointed out by informers. i said, well, they were given 10K to inform on people. he said, "for 10k, i'd inform on my friends, relatives and almost anybody too .... that's good money" ... pretty sick ... when the economy goes way into the toilet, people can make a living informing on other people ... it'll be great

won't be too difficult finding "domestic terrorists" especially with a finansial reward

the so called mccarthy period during the 50's ... the informers got paid off to point out "communists"

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@qwerty, et al -- dotti, 18:27:10 10/29/03 Wed

One of the smartest people I ever knew was a Master Chief in the Navy. He told me that when they lined everybody up for the vaccines, he would ask for a cotton swab with alcohol. Then he would start rubbing his arm with it and slowly, but surely, leave the site as though he had already had his shot. He made it sound easy. Don't know if it was true, but I hoped that it was.

I don't like the way things are going these days!

dotti

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@jAll -- dotti, 18:22:21 10/29/03 Wed

I hate to spoil the party, but didn't we hear before that once we topped $290 the POG would be set free. And. All along the way. Will it be different this time?

I want so much--so very much--for the gold cartel to get what is coming to them...when will it really happen?

dotti

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frisco fred -- qwerty, 18:20:00 10/29/03 Wed

what is Rangel and Conyers going to do to prevent the next batch of draftees from having their health destroyed thru vaccines along with depleted uranium, experimentation etc

what have they done about the tens of thousands of deaths and hundreds of thousands of people who have had their health permanently destroyed during gulf war 1

what have they done about the pentagon conducting involuntary experiments on the vets for at least the last 50 years ... members of congress actually voted overwhelmingly to give them that authority

large scale military atrocities against people serving in the US military that are allowed to happen and covered up on a continual basis by the upper echelon

i find it real difficult that conyers doesn't know what is really going on ... he is part of the problem

does the bill include the right to refuse vaccines

does the bill disallow experimentation on the draftee by the pentagon

what is rangel and conyers going to do about the treason in the higher echelon ranks of the military

who would be stupid enough to serve in the military where the real enemy has hijacked the military

i think the people who should be drafted should be people voting and supporting for rangels and conyers and anybody else supporting the draft. i have less of a problem with that.

we need to get all the US politicians, fly them over to iraq and afghanistan, put them on the front line. also give them and their families all the vaccines - just to "protect" their health of course.

rangel and conyers have been silent about so much that it is sickening

i remember congress had all those hearings on gulf war syndrome - the result - they let them twist in the wind when all was said and done

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Charlie Brown Keeks a Touchdown! -- auspec, 16:12:11 10/29/03 Wed

From tonight's Midas w permission:

10/29 The Stalker Stuns Gold Cartel

October 29 - Gold $386.50 up $3.70 - Silver $5.11 up 4 cents

The Stalker Stuns Gold Cartel

"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." --Chinese Proverb

Gold made no sense this morning, at least that is what I thought upon waking and seeing gold down $2.50. The dollar was weaker, the stock market called lower and many commodity prices were higher, with platinum and soybeans leading the way. On the Comex opening gold took out $380, but then quickly reversed course and took off for the upside. Was The Stalker in there doing his thing, as advertised in MIDAS yesterday?

BAM! Gold rose $7 off its opening low with little else going on in the investment world. I’m writing this commentary early because I have to catch a plane early this afternoon for the New Orleans Investment Conference. Thus my commentary may be a bit disjointed. Will make notations to you as I see them while I pack and finish my conference presentation. By the way, GATA has a surprise in store for the conference attendees and for Café members. It will be much fun and I will make it known during my presentation on Friday.

Back to The Stalker again. I have been at this commodities futures business a long time. NEVER do you get information in advance, tell everyone what is going to happen and why and THEN have it actually happen. I can’t say for sure it was The Stalker, but if it wasn’t, then it was the "Luck Of The Irish."

I wonder how much more The Stalker still has to buy out of his $1.1 billion dollar gold order?

As is often the case with gold, The Gold Cartel regrouped after being stunned by the swiftness of the price rise this morning. Deutsche Bank was the designated stopper this time. In addition, the floor tells me that when DEC gold hit $388.20, SOMEONE gave a monster sell order to AlL the dealers with orders to take gold down hard. They did as it dropped more than $2 in minutes. Manipulation of the highest order.

The crooks desperately want to keep gold from closing about $390, which leaves $400 gold only a hop, skip and a jump away. More and more talk is beginning to circulate that if gold can clear $400, we might get a gold melt-up. The gold derivatives neutron bomb could go off.

END

Comments: Gold bugs, in large part, are skittish when they really needn't be and will end up being the boldest when they also shouldn't be. We're going MUCH higher regardless of the short term moves, tis baked in the cake.

still checking the mail daily for some of me v's promised gold stock dividends................

Right now, New Orleans is the epicenter of the gold world, right? Well, not exactly, unless millions of Indians, Chinese and Islamic folks show up. They WILL be their in spirit for sure. James U. Blanchard, founder of this conference, was early with the "China Factor" some 8 or so years ago.

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qwerty -- Frisco Fred, 15:54:28 10/29/03 Wed

qwerty, I could be wrong (as I often am) but my thought on Rangel and Conyers push for the draft is so that some of the elite sons and daughters would have to serve their country and not just mostly poor people. Some would find a way to dodge (as almost all of Congress, Clinton, Bush and their children did), but it would catch some of them.

It's an ill wind,
FF

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number six -- volavka, 13:24:33 10/29/03 Wed

you must have bought the 9 million + shares of apll today.

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H.R.163 Universal National Service Act of 2003 -- qwerty, 12:44:00 10/29/03 Wed

Rangel and Conyers are co-sponsors in re-instating the draft and of course they are suppose to be "anti-war". what NWO scumbags they are.

the major problems for any draftee is

a ) it is legal for the pentagon to conduct experiments on the draftee

b ) it is legal for them for forcibly inject vaccines into the draftee

c) they will be under the command of treasonous upper echelon military and political people.

a) and b) threaten the life and health of the draftee in a major way. like previous vets, they will be discarded into the trash can call post traumatic stress syndrome or some psychiatric diagnosis and given anti-depressants and counseling as treatment. another words, they will be fecked over good. they won't even be able to sue the military or government for harm done to them. many soldiers even got micro-chipped against their will.

talk about being caught between the rock and hard place.

i think the key to surviving any induction is keeping the government from getting physical access to ones body and the avoiding involvement in the manufactured wars and conflicts.

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auspec -- qwerty, 09:28:23 10/29/03 Wed

thanks for that midas snippet

the cabal will need to deal with a billion dollar of gold purchase, it won't be easy

should make it over the $400 bar and maybe even the $410 bar if they purchase it

the support / resistance line will be raised higher

maybe some more heavy purchases from other sources before end of year to get us over $425

i can see why sinclair is being aggressive in going long ... he'll make a bundle

maybe even the cabal is going long knowing that the line in the sand will be moved up

i would think the cabal would support a higher price of gold as a defensive measure to head off the purchase or push it further into the future

the cabal could front run everyone and dump them later

hopefully the sinclair and speculators take that opportunity away

a counter measure for the stalker would be to spread the purchases out over time so they minimize any artificial pump and front running by the cabal

i think closing above 425 by years end would be good

i think getting to 450 by years end would be ideal

then go into 2 or 3 months of some correction and consolidation and then resume the upward trend in spring

i don't really want to see the public involved in a major way until $525 or so since i think we have sufficient rocket fuel to get to that level. i'd rather see real gold demand be the base

when china allows the individual to get in on the gold, that will be real interesting. i suspect some of the current stalker buying is being done to satisfy expected demand when they allow individuals in china to own gold

many of us are wondering when the american public gets involved. the chinese public may get there ahead of the american public who will become even poorer since they have to buy at premium prices

i'm sure the very wealthy in china have always been able to buy gold thru the back door especially through mongolia and hong kong

the equity gold funds will be another source when they come on line

i can see a feeding frenzy coming at some point all around the world because at some point, i expect the cabal to go long and be "gold friendly" at least until they get control of it again

i'm sure the volatility along the way will be very scary. for many people but since most of us know the nature of gold and market manipulation, it will be just the same ole same ole ... after it stabilizes above 450, we should be comfortable

so he price of gold shooting up today doesn't surprise me

all those insiders especially the ones in intelligence who collect or have access to financial intelligence ... what an easy way to become rich ... us peons have to contend with all the disinformation and scrape for info that privileged insiders get handed to them on a gold platter

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You all gave up too soon -- volavka, 09:25:55 10/29/03 Wed

u could not push it over 388.00
I'll settle for a 386 dec close.

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EUR/USD -- Netking, 09:00:29 10/29/03 Wed

EUR 10/28/03 @ 1.1655 bottom, last today @1.1696, Eur, your mission should you decide to accept is to get past the recent double top @ apprx 1.1858, followed by 1.1933 [reached May/June]....strong upside exists [ditto Au] beyond this for the EUR, the land of Canan...

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Silver Stocks [Comparative Valuations] - Jason Hommel -- Netking, 08:37:01 10/29/03 Wed

2003-10-29 update:

http://www.minersmanual.com/silverarticle.php?SA_ID=86

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hmmmmmmmmmm -- number six, 08:10:45 10/29/03 Wed

Very rare & auspicious lochness monster formation on the palladium chart there. Dunno what it means.

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run thru 388 -- volavka, 07:27:53 10/29/03 Wed

could produce close over 400.

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Dr Hwang say -- volavka, 06:36:26 10/29/03 Wed

"What difference between Harley and Hoover?"

Position of dirt bag.

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Grasso -- volavka, 06:11:28 10/29/03 Wed

didn't make the tyco party.

Dwarf tossing not allowed.

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We having fun yet -- volavka, 05:42:16 10/29/03 Wed

Very soon all the weak shall be cleaned out then the fun starts.
Very soon...

Dr. Hwang say," no disneyland in China, no one tall enough to go on rides."

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Netking re Butler -- auspec, 04:48:00 10/29/03 Wed

The man is a profit, pure and simple {not misspelled}!

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Tai -- auspec, 04:04:33 10/29/03 Wed

Many, many times my friend. All along the way from $250 to current $380 plus, all the way along the trip to "da bank". Midas knows gold! Midas is a bulldog but so is Chris!

Happy trails {of NO tears}!

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Butler - Silver -- Netking, 23:16:39 10/28/03 Tue

http://www.investmentrarities.com/10-28-03.html

[For those of you who bash Ted in cyberspace, well...shame on you. More power to you man]
~~~~~~~~
The Stalker, he's gone back to China, Who? that's right.

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Current POG, POS, POP & U$D Live Price -- CHARTs, 22:59:12 10/28/03 Tue

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Hey Rusty... How Many Times... -- Tai, 22:55:01 10/28/03 Tue

...have we heard Midas say this.?.

"The cabal won another battle, but if
my latest information is right, they will be on the defensive shortly."

Just asking...

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P-Nuts Splitz the Uprights! -- auspec, 19:31:23 10/28/03 Tue

Snippet from tonight's Midas {w permission}:

The Stalker to Strike Again This Coming Week

"Last Friday’s gold bashing by JP Morgan Chase in the last half hour was a warning by The Gold Cartel to the longs they were going to have their hands full if they stayed that way. Gold has dropped virtually $10 off its late Friday high in two sessions since the cabal launched their attack."

"Great Lakes was a huge seller this morning. Goldman Sachs was actually a small buyer. The cabal won another battle, but if my latest information is right, they will be on the defensive shortly. Got a call today from my Stalker source. He tells me The Stalker ("gold buying group" whose orders are emanating out of New Zealand and Australia) bought 1/3 of its $1.6 billion buy order and backed off on the rest as the gold price took off. However, we now hear that as gold has dropped back, they will be buying again SOON and expect the remainder of the HUGE order to be filled within a week to ten days."

END

Comment: By Halloween the "Stalker" will be roaming the streets of NY. Lucy has some "splainin to do" for not pulling da ball away quick enough.

The "Gold Bug Ball" starts tomorrow. Some think gold will be bashed in honor of same. Naw!

Gold shares are still flying high.........some are really kicking butt. Buyouts will be on the agenda in the coming months {6 or so}. Let the games begin....we're not even close to a public mania. Slow and steady, as the R Man sez............this bull is gonna last numerous years after an 18 mo bear.

P.S. I think FeTop is actually the Stalker.........sly dog that he is.

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number six -- volavka, 11:26:41 10/28/03 Tue

yep, apll like magr, it's all about percent per cent, follow my point...

You can own alittle or millions and when they show a chart pattern, especially the 97 percent, you buy the hell out of them.

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hmmmmm -- number six, 07:31:12 10/28/03 Tue

Hey volavka, if you're out there, you were recommending APLL.ob apolo gold right? Well I just done gone bought some. Couldn't resist a gold and silver company with a forward p/e of less than point five! Sure they are a two-bit little operation, but asking for a p/e of 5 instead would surely not be asking too much.... They just need their story to get out.

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@Netking -- Questioner, 05:24:09 10/28/03 Tue

Really like that photo from space. Great post! Looks like Southern California is getting a bit of a cleansing. Makes one wonder what happens when the rains come? Should provide some economic stimulus for reconstructing the homes and jobs. Makes you think of the Eagles and that song off The Hotel California album called, The Last Resort:
(The Last Resort by the Eagles)

She came from Providence, the one in Rhode Island
where the old world shadows hang heavy in the air.
She packed her hopes and dreams like a refugee,
just as her father came across the sea.

She heard about a place people were smilin',
they spoke about the red man's way, how they loved the land.
And they came from everywhere to the Great Divide
seeking a place to stand or a place to hide.

Down in the crowded bars out for a good time,
can't wait to tell you all what it's like up there.
And they called it paradise, I don't know why.
Somebody laid the mountains low while the town got high.

Then the chilly winds blew down across the desert,
through the canyons of the coast to the Malibu
where the pretty people play hungry for power
to light their neon way and give them things to do.

Some rich man came and raped the land, nobody caught 'em,
put up a bunch of ugly boxes and, Jesus, people bought 'em.
And they called it paradise, the place to be,
they watched the hazy sun sinking in the sea.

You can leave it all behind and sail to Lahaina
just like the missionaries did so many years ago.
They even brought a neon sign 'Jesus is Coming',
brought the white man's burden down, brought the white man's reign.

Who will provide the grand design, what is yours and what is mine?
'Cause there is no more new frontier, we have got to make it here.
We satisfy our endless needs and justify our bloody deeds
in the name of destiny and in the name of God.

And you can see them there on Sunday morning
stand up and sing about what it's like up there.
They called it paradise, I don't know why.
You call some place paradise - kiss it goodbye

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NetKing -- qwerty, 04:22:44 10/28/03 Tue

===
Dr James Dobson reports an organization has been granted a Federal Hearing on the same subject by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) in Washington,DC. Their petition, Number 2493, would ultimately pave the way to stop the reading of the Gospel the airwaves of America. The 287,000 signatures that back the stand suggest if this attempt is successful, all Sunday worship services being broadcast on the radio or by television are at risk. This group is also campaigning to remove all Christmas programs and Christmas carols from public schools.

Think you live in a free country? Play it again Sam.
===

this makes me very very very suspicious

to gather a large number signatures for such a stupid thing raises a red flag

it's another NWO operation with the evangelical NWO people complicit

so many evangelicals even tout Bush and the Homeland Security brotherhood as "christians" ... many "christians" view bush as christian ... talk about how dumb people are and what they can be convinced of

it is the thesis - anti-thesis modus operandi to bring about a hidden agenda

it would be very intersting to find out where their funding comes from ...

this whole thing SMELLS like another behind the scenes covert psyops operation with a front group acting as a distraction

and with the destruction of the US constitution and ushering in a police state happening in the mean time ... groups who don't focus on the serious stuff now show themselves to be most likely FAKE

it'll get many of the christian mind controlled sheep in a polarized state ... bush will align wih them ... they will work together with satan ur i mean bush

stopping the reading of the Gospel on radio etc ... how absurd can things get ...

soon there will be a group putting forward a petition to make parents who don't GPS chip their kids for locatability as child abusers since they could create missing children

If Dr James Dobson has not warned people of the shering in police state and patriot act then one can assume he is just an actor playing out his role

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thomas -- qwerty, 04:03:25 10/28/03 Tue

>but is a player behind the scene

is it sinclair or memorex

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"No Gospel allowed on the airwaves!" -- Netking, 01:06:05 10/28/03 Tue

Dr James Dobson reports an organization has been granted a Federal Hearing on the same subject by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) in Washington,DC. Their petition, Number 2493, would ultimately pave the way to stop the reading of the Gospel the airwaves of America. The 287,000 signatures that back the stand suggest if this attempt is successful, all Sunday worship services being broadcast on the radio or by television are at risk. This group is also campaigning to remove all Christmas programs and Christmas carols from public schools.

Think you live in a free country? Play it again Sam.

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Current POG, POS, POP & U$D Live Price -- CHARTs, 00:41:05 10/28/03 Tue

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Canadian Zinc--Silver Potential -- Netking, 23:09:12 10/27/03 Mon

http://www.minersmanual.com/silverarticle.php?SA_ID=84

"...Canadian Zinc has some of the highest grades of ore in the world, with 12% zinc, 10% lead, and over 6 ounces of silver per ton over 11 million tonnes in "zone 3" of 12 zones. Canadian Zinc (CZN.TO and CZICF.PK) was up 22.37% today to break out to a new high of $.93 CAN. Zinc and silver prices continue to go up, hitting .42 cents/lb. for zinc, and $5.11/oz. for silver. Canadian Zinc has zinc, of course, and also plenty of silver...

...Why is there such excitement about Canadian Zinc? It could be that this was the mining operation financed by the Hunt brothers, who were key silver players in the run up to $50/oz. silver back in 1980. The mine was 90% complete in 1980 as the project had $50 million in infrastructure set up back then. At today's prices, the value of the existing mill and the rest of the buildings may well exceed $100 million...

...the company has mineralization across 12 zones, but has a pre-feasibility study that concentrates on zone 3, which is obviously the largest and richest target. So there is a lot of exploration potential here that is not considered..."

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qwerty -- Thomas, 22:17:05 10/27/03 Mon

qwerty, thank you for the explanation about Sinclair. "Tongue twists and turns" is an apt description to tie together your two posts that at first reading seemed contradictory. I wonder if his speaking is as "blustering" as his writing. It seems at times that he knows more about real estate mine deals than he does about gold deals. I have heard that his wife is much more knowledgeable about gold than he is, but is a player behind the scene.

Appreciate your explanation,
Thomas

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California Burning From Space -- Netking, 22:11:14 10/27/03 Mon

An image from NASA's Modis satellite of California's out of control wildfires.

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@ Slatt and number six -- Galearis, 12:58:57 10/27/03 Mon

About silver mining...

There are grey areas to grey areas in the mining world and lots of opinion on what is what. However, it is generally accepted that silver production from base metal and sometimes gold recovery operations is generally inelastic. This is especially the case as the economies (world) slow down in recessionary times. They simply don’t ramp up production of zinc, for example, to recover more silver. Zinc demand actually falls and so we are likely to see even less silver coming out of the sector, not more.

Primary producers, the few of them out there, have a tendency – if their management is wise – to cut back on silver production as the bang for the ounce rises. This way they maintain an even cash flow, employment level, and generally get back some of the lost reserves that they squandered high-grading their ore during the rigged market, excuse me, low POS period. This obviously is not black and white. Some miner managements would be stupid, or in debt (short), or just plain greedy to the point that they would have to ramp up production,,, so a few keep on high-grading. Hard to call, it’s a big nasty world out there, especially in pms.

What we are reasonably sure about is that silver production will likely fall gradually thru this century and new uses for silver will augment demand. We are probably running low both above and below ground - in the practical sense. It is hard to say whether production will even surpass consumption ever again. But I am VERY suspicious of statements made of most the surface primary silver has been discovered….Silver deposits of the primary type are usually small and not easily found and while the world is shrinking seemingly, most of it still hasn’t been seen with educated eyes. Things are missed all the time.

Regards,

G.

P.S. Gold Corp fortunes changed for the better when it was noticed that the cook throwing out the dishwater behind the mess hall had exposed a lot of native gold in an outcropping quartz vein system. New mining commenced. Missed for years.

A major mine was discovered on the Klondyke Trail with gold in a vein actually polished by the thousands of mule hooves riding over it...Thousands of prospectors on their way to the placer fields never noticed.

Things are missed. A LOT.

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thomas -- qwerty, 11:51:15 10/27/03 Mon

i think sinclairs tongue twists and turns

sinclairs posting where he gave a gloomy gold outlook is gone

maybe that one was scheduled to come out after gold went above 415

sinclair can sometimes mimic the stuff happening on this planet and can make one wonder alot about him

on the bright side, i think his tehnical analysis is ok

and even if one were to suppose that is covertly work for the cabal, one can get valuable information from him for personal investing growth

and if one supposes he is sincerely expressing his views, it can be very depressing thinking that the human species will become extinct because of it's sheer stupidity and i mean on an individual level

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number six -- SLATT, 11:09:36 10/27/03 Mon

Silver production as a byproduct is the easiest. Case closed. It is a simple matter of profitability. The existing byproduct silver production is more profitable since there isn't additional cost in it's production. As I see it the example (from 10% to 36% of revenue) you gave proves that point. If the mine operated at a profit before it is extremely profitable now. And with no added risk.

Opening new or abandoned silver mines is indeed very costly. So is the cost of production of the silver. The profitability can be quite less than byproduct silver. The production will be tied to POS exclusively, thus making the operation of the mine hostage to POS.

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qwerty -- Thomas, 11:02:26 10/27/03 Mon

Does Sinclair speak straight or with forked tongue? It has to be one or the other.

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gold will go way down -- qwerty, 10:31:36 10/27/03 Mon

reading sinclair latest

my impression is that

he seems to have inside info

he seems to say dollar may retest 101 area before going back down

gold will likely go way down to 350's

sinclair seems to say there will be a dollar pump

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Silver Stocks -- Comparative Valuations -- Netking, 09:03:53 10/27/03 Mon

http://news.goldseek.com/GoldIsMoney/1067160023.php
Yeeehaaa!

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intelligent agent exposure story is a joke -- qwerty, 08:53:54 10/27/03 Mon

in regards to supposedly exposure of intelligent agent by bush

this is nothing but a contrived trash story

there are so many intelligence agents above the surface that one can see that it is a joke. all one needs to pick out a lot of names is a directory listing.

we could tag them with round purple dots on their foreheads

i could go to any US embassy and put a purple tag on just about every employee and be able to detect the one's working for intelligence

we could put a purple tag on dan rather and a bunch of other media people ... gee, they are exposed

what a joke this whole story is

why don't we put a purple dot on clinton's forehead

what made me sick was that bob chapman actually said that he thought novak should be shot for treason

yeah, right bob ... hasn't said much about shooting people in the upper echelon of financial, military, intelligence and political who have committed blatant treason against the country

i would like to ask all those intel agents out on the web whether we need to shoot almost the entire upper echelon on intelligence agencies officials ... how could decades of treason be carried out without so many upper echelon officials being unaware

how do all these outraged intel people feel about working for an organization controlled by the NWO ...

what about the upper echelon military people

where were these people outrage when ...

OKC bombing treason was carried out

911 treason was carried out

WTC 1993 treason was carried out

Operation Norwood treason

JFK assassinaion treason

destruction of the US constitution

treason in the theft of 3 trillion dollars in defense spending

biological attacks against the american people over the last century

treason against hundreds of thousands of veterans, POW's and so called MIA

treason in the manufacture of wars fought for the elite

and a whole lot more

do you think we ought to do anything about the hijacking and subversion of the media and expose the disinformation intelligence agents

do you think we ought to expose the treason by intel agents

it will be the sinclairs, schultz and even partly bob chapman who talks in contradictions who will be responsible for the destruction of this country

the intel agents are doing a good job in doing nothing to stop the destruction of this country

some of the ones i have personally come across have partaken in the looting of the taxpayers

this is not to say there are some trying to do something but they have no real power

the mindless cog behavior of intelligence agents are helping carrying out the destruction of this country by their blind loyalty to the organizations of the dark forces.

most intelligence agents are nothing more than little privileged pawns of the elite. too many are corrupted and have no patriotism to their country.

i would suspect that many true patriots of the intelligence community have been murdered by their own agency ... the lockerbie airline crash is a case in point ... where was the outrage about this ... agency personel helped cover this up

people compartmentalizing the treason to a few lone individuals are either very politically stupid or complicit in treason themselves - for running a psyops campaign and helping cover up all the other treason against the USA

Treason is a way of life in the USA for upper echelon political, financial, military and intelligence people. The NWO is the power behind them. They promote people to high positions who will obey their orders to destroy america. On a lower level, you have your mindless and corrupt cogs. If someone like Bush Sr is popular in the CIA, it would make sense why.

The good guys within the machinery who have managed to survive that are trying to fight it are outnumbered and mostly powerless in the bigger picture.

Unwittingly, allying themselves with the NWO is J6P. They will allow the few good people in the system to burn at the stake. J6P aids and abets the enemy from within. J6P views themsleves as patriotic. The NWO views J6P as stupid and controllable.

The good guys only seem to win on TV.

The bad guys are winning in real life.

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Iraq -- Netking, 08:49:21 10/27/03 Mon

Yep, up to 40 people killed, 224 injured in Iraq on the first day of Ramadan, Red Cross considers pulling out all foreign workers...not a good situation over there folks...indications suggest this is just "early days". President Bush: "...the more progress we make, the more desperate these people are to destroy freedom. We will not be intimidated...", the classic "...bring 'em on..." words were left out of this speech, guess that's exactly what happened.

GI's under friendly fire for marrying Iraqis

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Slatt -- number six, 07:21:58 10/27/03 Mon

Mate, you've got it all backwards when it comes to silver-as-by-product mining. It would take a huge and sustained increase in POS before most mines could comit the big bucks required to increase mine capacity. Building new shafts, buying new mills, redrawing the whole life-of-mine plan, rejigging the whole processing plant while it's still operating... these are a royal pain in the arse and they cost a LOT. Imagine a mine with $100 mil revenues, including $10m from selling 2mil oz/ag. Now if silver was previously only contributing 10% of the mine's revenue at $5/oz, if it hits $25/oz it would still only be contributing 36% of revenue. You'd still have to give a lot more heed to the other 63% and how those commodities were going. You'd have to have a lot of faith in a continued high pos before you'd comit the $20-50-100 mil required to seriously increase overall output. If the pos went back down you'd have turned your nice little earner into a white elephant, and this is what they would fear even if silver had stayed above ~$25 for a few years.

Now pure or near pure silver deposits that need $8 pos to be worth it, (silver standard has a bunch of them,) these will be put into operation quickly - i.e. producing within 2 or 3 years after pos starts to fly. But the polymetallic silver by-product guys won't, for the most part, be upping production greatly for a few years after, if it's worth their while at all. Some will, most won't.

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Rocket science -- volavka, 06:33:35 10/27/03 Mon

U.S. told from day #1, snipers and using your car as a missile.

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WRONG AGAIN (sigh) -- SLATT, 05:41:08 10/27/03 Mon

"Has the "easy" silver been picked over? Yes, of course it has. The majority of the earth's land surfaces have had some degree of geological analysis. New primary silver mines are much more likely to come as a result of POS increasing and affecting the economics of a previously explored property than as a result of brand new discoveries."

Silver is silver. The "easy" silver is being produced as a byproduct of mining for other metals. Can't get any easier than that. And that "easy" silver production will increase with the rise in POS.

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Insane market -- john, 05:21:09 10/27/03 Mon

I took this post of wwww.freebuck.com which has many articles by this author and i also visited the site to read the other free articles all of which are very interesting

19 October 2003

General market commentary

The biggest problem to date has been the markets extreme refusal to even give a modest decent correction and against all odds and all beliefs it seems to keep churning upwards, like a blind man with a purpose. The plaguing question is what is the purpose, what is the market trying to tell us? Or is it the market talking or just the easy money policies of the fed that are blindly pumping this market up. Every technical indicator is in the overbought range, every psychological indicator is in the extreme bullish range to(which is usually a negative for the market), contrarain indicators which most fall under psychological indicators are also suggesting that we should have already started to correct. And the esoteric hourly cycles have been in the screaming overbought zone since the 8th of October, while they can stay for quite extended periods of time in the overbought zone, this is extremely unusual, however the only ray of light and I mean that in an ironical way is that the daily cycles are not overbought, which is something I find very hard to believe, I do not try to direct the cycles, I just make sure I am able to read what they are saying, so while all the indicators are in the extreme overbought zone, the only one that has not given a major sell signal is the daily esoteric cycles .

The daily cycles have just touched the overbought zone, which is technically the minimum level needed in order to start a decent correction, however this is not a guarantee and in an irrational market one usually ends going to the extreme zone, we are in an irrational market, the cycles are suggesting that 9900-10000 is a possibility.

Lets us look at the irrational factors.

Vix has dropped to multi year lows, in June 2002 it was at 54, recently it dipped below 17 and into the lower 16 point range. To show you how irrational this is if one looks at a chart you will see we just made a new 5 year low. At the height of the biggest mania ever ( 99 peak of dot.com era) we did not dip to such low levels, clearly insanity is in the driving seat. We have to go back 6 years to find a point in time where we were below such levels, and we find that year was 1998, when we briefly dipped to levels lower than these ( look at chart below). However that was a different era, jobs were easy to get, corporate spending was uncontrolled, and the air was filled with great expectations. Fast forward to today, jobs are hard to come by, over 3 million have been lost in the manufacturing sector and the situation is going to get worse, thousands of more jobs lost permanently in the high tech sector, no hiring relief in sight, very few companies talking about a brighter future, we have no surplus anymore, we are running huge budget deficits that will only get worse. The dollar is extremely weak. The probability of another major war somewhere in the Middle East or with N. Korea looms in the horizon. The possibility that the Asian countries will dump their dollar reserves and switch to gold or the euro or a mix of the two, this alone would have untold negative ramifications that could rock this so called weak economic recovery to the stone age and the list goes on and on.

http://tacticalinvestor.com/vix.gif

If one starts to look for positive news, one has to hunt very deep and actually stop thinking in a sane manner, you need to start thinking like someone who has just escaped from a lunatic asylum to be able to find any sane reasons to have faith in this economy or market,( however sanity has not made to many people rich but that is a point for another day). The only argument one can come up with is that, we needed to see some sort of rally in this market after everyone was on the negative gloom and doom bandwagon as a contrarian you knew that the market had to put in a temporary bottom and rally as the negativity had reached incredible levels by October 2002, however this has long since ceased to be a technical rally and has actually become a rally with intermediate bullish implications. One cannot use the argument that earnings are getting better because that is like the kettle calling the pot black. Earning have ratcheted down so much that it makes no sense to do any comparison, every quarter the analysts keep adjusting the earnings, usually in a downward direction to such a point that it is virtually impossible for most companies not to exceed these lowered earnings estimates. Lets try to do that in college, lower down the % ones needs to to get an A, from maintaining an 90% average to 65% and soon you will have almost every idiot strutting around calling himself an A student. Take it one step further, to fall into the wealthy bracket you only need to make 20,000, at this point almost no one will be able to call themselves poor anymore and welfare will almost cease to exist. You get the point.

To literally find any good news you have to hunt for it, while if you are looking for bad news and this bad news that is factually correct, there is an endless supply of it, yet like ostriches who have decided to bury their heads in the sand, the masses have virtually ignored all the recent volley of bad news and chosen instead to focus on the minuscule amounts of good data out there.

Even for seasoned traders, top notch market watchers and writers these last 3 months have been nothing short of puzzling, I sincerely doubt there is any trader or analyst or newsletter writer that can comprehend the markets persistence to march forward. The problem is not that we are in a bullish phase now, that is fine the trend reveals that, what the problem is that even in a healthy bull market you never get such stupendous advance without some healthy pull back we have virtually gone from 7400-9800 without one serious pull back. This rise is one for the record books, if we were back in the 1990’s era this would somehow be justifiable but we are not. Even we have been hit with the few puts plays we have taken, we did not load up on puts or get to aggressive, because we started sensing some anomaly that we could not quite place our hands on, but it was there, and so as a precaution we abstained from becoming to bearish, and recently with the our new tool esoteric cycles it has helped us avoid taking many a short position that looked perfect technically but would have ended disastrously had we taken those positions.

I don’t mind saying that all of us at the tactical investor, the few individuals involved in research are completely perplexed at how this market simply refuses to give in and we have to rely on our new tools and this so called new paradigm where we rise on bad news, with no good news anywhere in sight, a phenomenon which is beyond contrarian investing the only term I can come up with is insane investing.

This would be a good contrarian view point if the we were rising on bad news but the worst was behind us, but that does not appear to be the case, in an economic recovery one main ingredient is key, companies stop firing and actually slowly start hiring but here the corporate firing squad is busy increasing their supply of bullets and trading in their rifles for machine guns. Without new jobs you cannot have sustained economic growth, if your earnings are simply improving as a result of better cost cutting methods, than that is not economic recovery that is called desperation, you are fighting to say alive and recovery is very very far away.

What is my point here? it is very simple I agree with all you that are writing in and sending me stories with bad news and I also agree when you tell me all your technical indicators are screaming sell and suggesting that we should crash and I agree with you that market should pull back, crash yes but not right now. However I cannot and will not start to scream like a bear when everything around looks and sounds bullish even though it is from an insane perspective and then you have the other camp that which is primarily composed of Experienced traders and professional newsletter writers that are extremely bearish. we have two extremes sentiment readings occurring simultaneously.

. Lets take a second to reflect on these points, If we at the tactical investor had maintained nothing but a bearish stance, and taken huge short positions where would we be now, that’s right slaughtered like pigs. Wall street is lined with graves of people who were right but right to early. We have not changed our stance that this is market will one day crash very severely but it wont be doing so right now. However as I mentioned before we are surprised that there has not been any decent correction what so ever.

It is for that reason that we have been looking to use this market to our advantage, rather than force the market to cater to our needs, we have decided to look for opportunities that we can live with, that are contrarian in nature and that will pass our technical tests and it is for that reason we have been taking more and more long positions, but they are in extremely oversold sectors or in sectors that are already performing well but one or two stocks have been getting hammered and have reached mouthwatering levels where the risk to reward ratio is favorable, simply shorting stocks or using put options or going short via a futures for any length of time has been extremely dangerous.

There is something very abnormal in this current market and till it returns to some sort of normality, it seems most TA indicators are not going to be use full as they once were. When in doubt sit out that is my motto. Sometimes the best thing to do in market is be patient and that’s what we are going to have to do here. Instead of trying to force the market down lets simply invest in sectors or stocks that are extremely oversold and make a good contrarian play. Or if you are conservative then wait for a decent correction to transpire before taking new positions. As we all know when playing with the markets the saying no pain no gain has never been truer.

I will end with this, I believe the market should correct. For the last month or so we have been rising on lower than average volume and so I think we are either at or close to a short term top, however this correction is just going to be brief, before the market carries on rallying. As of right now I don’t see us going below 8800, most likely the 9000 range won’t be breached. These above scenarios should hold unless we have some catastrophic event take place, and that is beyond all timing systems. I believe this decline will provide many of us a with very good stock plays and some spectacular call options.

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@qwerty, et al -- dotti, 23:21:49 10/26/03 Sun

"if people can't comprehend the larger con job then the sovereignty of this country is certainly finished"

qwerty, thanks for your post. You're probably right. I know that politics is rigged, but I still think of elections as being "free". I find more to like on the Republican side than on the Democrat side--but you're right--it doesn't relly matter. Pretty depressing thought.

Unfortunately, I don't think that there is any way that "we, the people" will ever regain the control of this nation--or any other. For that to happen would take the media getting the truth to the people. That won't happen.

It's good that I do not believe that this place is "as good as it gets". We learn.

Thanks for your post.

dotti

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dotti -- qwerty, 22:44:26 10/26/03 Sun

>I do not trust the media. They played their part on the demo side.

don't compartmentalize your thinking

step back

look at the big picture

the democrats and republicans are on the same team

they are playing you

the media is controlled. they manipulate people with emotion. emotion bypasses the intellect.

the media's role in this is to get you to think that the democrats and republicans are in opposition

the democrats and republicans are mostly front men for the real power

you never really see who calls the shots

the democrats and republican are colluding in riggong the elections for the real power

the most unfortunate outcome for florida election is that most people are continuing to support the democrats and republicans

if people can't comprehend the larger con job then the sovereignty of this country is certainly finished

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Superconductivity Researchers Win Nobel Prize - Silver Plays a Prominent Role in Certain Superconductivity Applications -- Netking, 22:09:13 10/26/03 Sun

Silver Institute Press Release:

Pioneering contributions to the theory of superconductors and superfluids resulted in the 2003 Nobel Prize in Physics being awarded last week to Vitaly L. Ginzburg, Alexei A. Abrikosov, and Anthony Leggett. The Secretary of the Department of Energy, Spencer Abraham, said of the Nobel Award, "Through their efforts, tremendous strides are being made in understanding these processes, leading to the development of new superconducting materials and technologies that have great promise to benefit the entire world."

The silver industry has had a keen interest in superconductivity since silver is a key component of superconductive wire, which operates with no electrical resistance at practical operating temperatures and provides better performance at significantly reduced weight and size to cables, motors, generators and transformers.

About 16 years ago, researchers achieved a breakthrough when several unusual oxides were combined and proved to be superconductive at relatively low temperatures. However, they were brittle and unworkable. That was the case until a solution was developed at the AT&T Bell Laboratories, which incorporated silver into the mix to combat the earlier frustrations.

Placing these oxides into practical use generated worldwide research, and already over 700 patents have been issued. For example, the patents held by the American Superconductor Corporation (AMC), Westborough, MA (www.amsuper.com) have resulted in practical silver-jacketed superconducting oxide wires that carry more than 140 times the electric load of copper wire with less than 1 percent of the weight.

With over a decade of development behind it, AMC recently shipped 18 miles of silver- jacketed, high-temperature superconductor (HTS) wire to China for new electric-power projects. According to Greg Yurek, chief executive officer of American Superconductor, "We have sold samples of our wire into China and have been working with a number of companies and government agencies to meet this dynamic new Chinese industry. We believe this initial order represents just the beginning of what is ultimately enormous growth potential for all our products in China." Yurek added, "In every case we know about, a noble metal, primarily silver, is put on top of high-temperature superconducting wires."

The Silver Institute has previously reported that this wire takes about 1,000 ounces of silver per mile. Do the math on this one boys and girls, this market is so very finely balanced....if the projections on this alone are anything like what the initial calculations suggest, then, ergo.

Netking

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Periodic Ponzi Update PPU -- $hifty, 21:54:09 10/26/03 Sun

Ponzi Chart

Periodic Ponzi Update PPU

Nasdaq 1,865.59 + Dow 9,582.46 = 11,448.05 divide by 2 = 5,724.025 Ponzi

Down 93.05 from last week .

Thanks for the link RossL !

Go GATA !

Go GOLD !

Go Comets!

$hifty

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Only 12 guys in the Group of 20 -- $hifty, 21:39:14 10/26/03 Sun

Only 12 guys in the Group of 20 photo below. I guess the other 8 leased out their ties and could not get them back!

:-)

$hify

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Mr. V's "no gold ties here." I love it! ha ha ha -- $hifty, 21:29:47 10/26/03 Sun

Finance officials from 20 nations and Central Bank governers pose for the official photo of the annual meeting of the Group of 20 nations in Morelia, Michoacan, Mexico on Sunday, Oct. 26, 2003. (AP Photo/Eduardo Verdugo)

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Current POG, POS, POP & U$D Live Price -- CHARTs, 21:12:51 10/26/03 Sun

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synthetic reality -- Questioner, 18:38:49 10/26/03 Sun

We live in very plastic/pliable times. One day hard rock is toxic waste and the next it is hard rock. Too much carbon dioxide is suppose to make us feel guilty about breathing cause we cause global warming by exhaling. Instead of Catholic guilt it is replaced with environmental guilt, go figure. The current reality is about what we make it, still plenty of freedom out there to go out and create. Let us hope it lasts.

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From NY Currency on MineWeb -- qwerty, 18:14:19 10/26/03 Sun

Good fun reading ...

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The resolve is clear. Our objectives will be met.
We have seen the enemy, and his A$$ is ours ! We will lure him in with his dreams of granduer, and with hopes of profiting from his folly. Then we will stomp on his head, and crush his body as we lay out his financial positions profitless while he bleeds green monetary blood.

Some of these sorry gold-bug terrorists say that there is a shortage of gold. This is absolute nonsense ! In fact, we have to pony up a kings ransome just to store the massive quantities of these gold bars. For us it is a huge albatross around our necks, but not nearly so obnoxious as the gold-bugs pronouncements against our government, our society, our democracy and our welfare. Our currency is strong ! And our resolve is clear !

Rest assured, we will draw these gold-bugs into their own "Waterloo." At each turn, we have drop kicked each succesive grouping of would-be aspiring gold-bugs as we have allowed the gold price to meander higher on occasion ... AND THEN WE KICK THEM IN THE TEETH ! We draw in the newbies like flies, and burn their A$$ES good ! Look around and see how many of you actually profited more than if you had invested in the mainstream welfare of this great country, and of the world !

Our resolve is firm. We will use whatever means is necessary. Our first line of defense is through normal suppression of their financial activities. But if all else fails, we will disenfranchise them and their families, revoke property rights, and force them to swim in a pool of hell wrought by their own destructive actions. OUR RESOLVE IS FIRM !

GOLD will be DISCREDITED as a financial asset. GOLD-BUG TERRORISTS will be HUNTED DOWN, and treated like the conniving dogs they are ! ! ! !

May God continue to bless the United States of America, and the George W. Bush administration, and May we endeavor strengthen the SA Rand, and the New Guinean Kina (since some of the gold-bugs have decided to support the terrorist gold industries in this region). On that note, We would like to thank the Papua New Guinean government for their openess to the new regime in our partnering with the gold mining industry in your region. Your support at this crucial time in world history will be of benefit to the world in making it a safer more stable place for our children. Also, I would also be remiss if I didn't reiterate a strong message of support for President Mbeki of South Africa, and Prime Minister Somare of New Guinea.

How many ways to crush those gold-bugs into a fine powder ? 6 ways to an eternity ! ! !

===

I'm more concerned about the crushing of the US Constitution

If our government didn't get hijacked by treasonous criminals and were destroying the economy, I could live with lower gold prices

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@qwerty, et al -- dotti, 18:13:32 10/26/03 Sun

Good to see you!

Don't know the series.

It really disturbs me that i do not know what is truth and what is not--regarding Iraq, Afghanistan, gold, etc. I understand that many--most, perhaps--just "short circuit". I do not believe that Bush was "not elected". Whenever I read that, I immediately reject whatever the idea is. I lived in Florida at the time of the election. Moments after Gore got ahead, he was declared the winner. Many at the polls in N.W. Florida, which is mostly Republican, gave up and went home. It was a rainy evening and the lines were long. I do not trust the media. They played their part on the demo side. I was never convinced of any wrong-doing on the other side.

All things considered, however, I cannot trust in anything that I read or hear. Even the Jessica Lynch "rescue" seems to have been nothing more than a ploy--a PR sketch.

It is a sorry state of affairs. How does one know how to select right from wrong when one does not know the true facts?

I am afraid that the good ol US of A is not on the side of right anymore.

dotti

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Questioner -- volavka, 17:56:18 10/26/03 Sun

Article carried in wsj on friday, of Mines and Men, on 1872 mining law.

What was not mentioned is that of the 260 million acres of blm lands, just 0.06 percent is affected by mining.

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dotti -- qwerty, 17:48:36 10/26/03 Sun

"taken" ... good series ... part 5 on tonight

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Somebody said that before -- volavka, 17:46:49 10/26/03 Sun

no gold ties here.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/031026/481/mor11010262156&e=10&ncid=

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auspec -- qwerty, 17:45:25 10/26/03 Sun

i have no confidence in predicting what gold will do tomorrow, this week or this month. could go down steeply.

i do have confidence that it will be much higher 6 months from now. If we make can get a trading range around 450 plus or minus 20 points, that will be fine

can't do anything about the trader activities in the gold related market. the operators will be there to scare the heck out of the J6P investors. if they can be kept out long enough, we may have dot com valuations when they do come on board bug time. maybe the J6P in china will come aboard even sooner.

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