qwerty,,,May I Please Interject??? -- beesting, 14:07:07 10/30/03 Thu
I agree in most part with your message but have to add a few words of my own here & there:
(qwerty)-One has to think in terms of maybe - where on earth can i have the most freedom and happiness ...
money does buy freedom to some degree on this planet ...
(beesting)- Very true but instead of using the word "money" by itself, please substitute the word,"REAL" money as in Gold/Silver money.
(qwerty again)-for us who truly care about what is happening, we need to take action ... and that may mean
something as simple as getting out of the way and just taking a few protective measures.
(beesting again)- I think some of us who see the "REAL" worlds situation are in the process of taking a few protective measures/ and action already.
beesting, what in the world could I be talking about???
First lets examine exactly how ,"We The People" lost our "REAL" money which also equaled "REAL" liberty or real freedom, in the first place.
Over the years, and mostly long ago, Governments thru hook, crook, & steal accumulated most of//enough of the "real" money(Gold/Silver) to start printing their own substitutes for real money in the form of paper notes. This eventually led to the situation[s] we see in the world today since an estimated 99% of things & services are paid for with these paper substitutes.(war machines/political machines/news release machines/covert operation machines/ etc. etc.)
In my opinion a way to eventually "break the bank" or in this case put "The Power Of Real Money" back in the hands of ,"We The People" as the founding fathers in the USA originally intended, is for "We The People" to accumulate as much Gold/Silver as the budget allows.
Lets do some math for Gold only, since I don't have a clue as to how much Silver is out there!
There is supposed to be about 33,000 tonnes in Central banks and about 70,000 tonnes(mostly Gold jewellery)in private hands.(However the 24 carat Gold jewellery could also be classified as monetary Gold)
The simple fact is if "We The People" are able to buy up the majority of the central bank Gold and use it in commerce as "REAL" money it maaaaaay break the power hold the governments//banks possess now.
So if we multiply 33,000 tonnes by the 32,150 ounces in a metric ton we come up with: about 1,060,950,000 ounces of central bank Gold, which seems like an awful large amount until you realize that about "TWICE" that amount is "ALREADY" in private hands,,,,,,And the many, many people of China have just started their accumulation stage.
Lets say out of the billions of people in the world only 100,000,000 have the ability to "SAVE" for a rainy day or their own retirement or whatever savers save for.......Which would again divide out to a little over 10 ounces per person or about $4,000.00 in U.S. dollars per person......A huge sum you might correctly say for the average person from a third world country........And you would be right,,,,,,But not an overwhelming figure for around 20 or 30 million affluent American/Canadian/New Zealand/Australian/Japanese/English/German/European///etc.etc.....however with these new "Digital Gold Currencies" just now coming into widespread circulation, the ownership of Gold is now again available for the masses of people with limited means and who truly understand exactly how fraudulent the worlds monetary systems have become.
(qwerty again)-we need to take some action...
(beesting again)-I'm taking action by saving physical & "Digital" Gold right now, how about any of you reading out there??????????? Are you taking action or just waiting for the so called "Stalker" to buy up all the available Gold?????
By the way James Turk of Goldmoney.com started a plan called "GAP" which is a way to accumulate Gold on a monthly basis for only 1.9% over the "Spot" POG.
Thanks For Reading.........beesting.
[Edit] shillspec still doesn't get it. -- SLATT, 14:00:03 10/30/03 Thu
You are not a miner nor a geologist. You merely buy mining stocks while deluding yourself that you possess any level of expertise regarding your investment. You are as much in the know as those who lost their shirts in Enron or the tech wreck. You are a sucker begging to be fleeced. And you picked the right type of investments for just that.
Odd that you make comparisons for stocks you picked though do not show the change in stock prices. Also any stock valuation is meaningless unless it is sold at a profit at better than average yields for other investments over that period of time. Unless you wish to regale us with all the dividend income you have realized from the list of stocks you posted over the past 8 months? You at least make me laugh.
>I don't trust most of the information on the Internet--and certainly not that on the media news.
the NWO has a massive presence on the internet plus they subvert search engines ... that is why it takes time, experience and some energy to get a bearing on the truth
put the search for truth on the big things
Costa Rica ... Land prices tend to be higher but when the gold train takes all of us over the moutain then it won't be a problem
if gold goes over $1000 an ounce, i think many of us will be well over at least a million dollars if not a whole lot more. they have more dollar based economies down there so a depreciating currency will hopefully not impact prices i don't think.
i probably would like to get a farm like set up and something near the ocean where one can grow ones food and even get real cows and get the real milk
I just read that one can buy real estate in nicaragua and one doesn't need to be a citizen. only 1% tax. that's pretty good. a lot of countries require citizenship.
nicaragua has been one of the countries near the top of my list to investigate
although the politicians in nicaragua of all parties as they are here, seem to be on the NWO payroll ... they seem to be pushing NWO agenda stuff on the nicaraguan people even in face of a lot of protest ...
i know if i was looking to retire and i did't have much money and i wasn't brainwashed into thinking i need the "modern" medical system then i would retire to the southern hemisphere. live very inexpensively and better
once we get above 500 gold, i will hopefully have commenced my search for a home
i was thinking of using new hampshire as a temporary residence just in case a miracle occurs and the patriot act gets cancelled ... nice thing about new hamshire geographically is that it is near the ocean, near vermont, near canadian border ... potentially, a lot of free thinking people could do something
if more politically aware people move there, maybe there will be enough critical mass to do something ... the biggest obstacle will be awareness of COINTELPRO and whether they watch their politicians like a hawk ... the nwo still controls the state politicians just like they do in vermont
listen to "the power hour" with joyce reilly and dave klondienst ... they try to document everything they say ... they'll make your head spin ... it is well worth it ... plus they are bible christians which you may like ... you'll like them ... i'd rank them number one in the country as far as info on what is going on ... this is one of the radio station shows i will expect to fall when the really dark days approach ... they plan on being there to the very end
[Edit] @qwerty, et al -- dotti, 12:15:58 10/30/03 Thu
qwerty: "all it takes for evil to triumph is for all good men ( and women ) to do nothing or or delude oneself or be indifferent or just forget about it"
Even with the Internet, the main source of "information" for the masses is programmed news. I don't trust most of the information on the Internet--and certainly not that on the media news. I don't know what is true anymore. Nor does anyone else, as far as I can see. Not you, either, querty!
Heeding the Serenity Prayer, I just focus on my day-to-day. Although, I have thought of Costa rica.
Take care.
dotti
[Edit] There it isn't -- volavka, 11:25:16 10/30/03 Thu
There is no such thing as the patriot act:
It is the Psittaciformes act.
Or the puppet act.
ONLY YOU CAN GOVERN YOURSELF.
Todays gold action; warm up to allow last shorts out..
People have this enormous ability to forget, disaasociate and compartmentalize their information. Also there are the people who are indifferent or apathetic about other people in general or who will commit any unethical deed against other people without any compunction. For them, they got theres, so there is no problem as far as they can see.
Those listed above are the people who truly deserve the NWO. These people make up the overwhelming majority of people
Like I was talking about yesterday. How could so many veterans on a vast scale be murdered and assaulted but hardly anyone is aware. Surely, one would think they would speak out. Amazingly, only a small fraction of one percent ever spoke out. Who are warnin the younger generations. It is the former soldiers who should be at the forefront. Inspite of these treasonous acts, they either remain silent or just too dumb to even function. There is an internet which allows even house bound people to speak out. Amazingly, they don't. Just a handfull.
The same behavior pattern gets repeated over and over by victims of other government covert operations in the population.
Many spouses get violence committed against them by their other spouse. Inspite of this, they stay with the other spouse. So much of the population are psychologically addicted to the constant abuse. They rationalize it. They can't break out of the herd instinct.
Do most people get the kind of government and rights they deserve ?
MY answer is definitely YES.
this is why we have the patriot act
people just stake out there little part of the land and anything outside of that they just don't care. as long as their little world is ok, they just go along with the bigger program. murder or repression or false imprisonment by the government doesn't bother them. they rationalize it away.
Are the treasonous criminals getting justice ?
My answer is - in the context of this world, they are. they are thriving and should be.
Most of the people are mindless cogs with personal self interest agendas mixed in.
For the people who truly have a desire for freedom and realize what is happening ...they don't deserve to live in this shit hole of a world
personally, if there were alternate worlds where freedom truly is supported by a large bastion among the beings living there, i would pack up and leave. The NWO and all that stuff wouldn't even bother me. The questions of justice would be irrelevant. If I died there and i would reincarnate, it would be a preferrable place to be
On a practical level, all one can do is try to avoid the destruction. I use to think of this country as home but I have been forced by things like the patriot act to think on global view.
One has to think in terms of maybe - where on earth can i have the most freedom and happiness ... money does buy freedom to some degree on this planet ...
for us who truly care about what is happening, we need to take action ... and that may mean something as simple as getting out of the way and just taking a few protective measures
i don't know how large our numbers are but let's just say that as far as invasion of the body snatchers ... the pods are pretty much taken over ... best to let them suffer the consequences for their pod like behavior
if the california election is any barometers, our numbers are maybe 5% or maybe a fraction of a percent
as the noose grows tighter especially economically, i expect more people to wake up on a more primitive level but it won't be enough ... they won't even have the intelligence to understand what they are up against or what is happening ... they will even vote for NWO candidates without having a clue ... they won't have anyone to blame but themselves
so there is justice but it is on the terms of a population that accepts or is indifferent to corruption, treason, indifference and injustice ... and also on terms with the intelligence level of people that allow them to compartmentalize, disaasociate and forget with amazing consistency
all it takes for evil to triumph is for all good men ( and women ) to do nothing or or delude oneself or be indifferent or just forget about it
I think that I was in a moment of sheer desperation at the time of my post. I agree with you--no punishment in this world for those of evil nature. Particularly with regard to those we refer to as TPTB--those behind the curtains for generations, manipulating through (free) markets and wars.
I, like you, get flashes of something that seems profound--far above and beyond what my level of knowledge would justify.
I am a Christian, brought to faith through reason, and trust that this world is not our true destiny. Tribulations here are not more than we can endure.
I am fascinated by the world we live in and the way that others perceive and respond to a "reality" that seems weird to me--while my "reality" would, indeed, seem conspiracy-ladden to them.
Oops. I have lapsed into babble. I have a show this weekend and need to be in the studio. Just checked in to refill my coffee and saw your post. Always nice to get a nice response.
Do you have an opinion on the record growth in GDP? I suspect it has to do with the fact that going from .1 to .2 is 100% growth, etc. Don't know the numbers and don't have the time/incentive to look them up.
Hello, I think you have been here or at kitco as long if not longer than I have. I've never had occasion to post at you, but I have always gotten the impression from your posts that I should respect and admire you.
You asked when would the bad guys get "what is coming to them...when will it really happen?"
Understand that I don't really know anything. I used to be a rational, reasonable, pragmatic person. That is changing, I am becoming an idealistic, flaky "new-ager" sort of person. I'm not waving crystals around yet, but you know the sort, and like all of that ilk, my ilk I guess, I think I know profound stuff, that I really can't possibly know. What I want to suggest is that I have come to believe that the bad guys are not going to get whats coming to them. At least not in anyway I can watch. I am not certain that there is any sort of cosmic justice. And I am very certain that there will be no justice for these folks in our world. They are going to get away with every terrible thing that they have ever done. At least it will appear that way to the rest of us. I am almost ok with that. I mean if I had a way of bringing them to account, I would do it, but I don't. What will happen is that their activities will stop. They may start some new mischief, or some other group may replace them. Then again maybe not. The world seems to be changing. I don't know if it's because of some imminent pole shift or awareness thing. It may only be that it is now technologiclly possible for any very small group with a fringe ideology to wield as much military and economc power as any very large nation. If so I think that the beginning of the obsolescence of nation states is at hand. Perhaps humanity will devolve into some sort of Mad Max world. Maybe humanity will "ascend" and there will be peace and love. Maybe I will look into buying a nice crystal to wave around, and some .22 ammo to sit on. As I said, I don't know, but really deep down, do you believe these people will ever be brought to justice in our world?
Very Best Regards
p.s. I purchased Nevsun at $0.33 US and sold a bit more than half at $0.64 US. My spirit guide suggested them. No, not really it was someone on Kitco and I looked into them and liked what I saw. It was some deamon of some sort that suggested I buy an equal value of Intl. Taurus.
[Edit] Good Morning, All! -- dotti, 06:04:29 10/30/03 Thu
"Economic growth for third quarter is best in 19 years."
"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East." President George Bush 25 June 2003 Haaretz
[Edit] suuure -- number six, 00:12:16 10/30/03 Thu
Yep Volavka, that was me who bought all 9 million shares of apll.ob, right after I gave Miranda Otto and Veronica Zemanova a good seeing to... in the back seat of my solid gold Bugatti.
But seriously, up 60% in one day was quite fun; I usually never get the timing just right like that. Thanks for the original tip.
[Edit] Buffett sells the dollar... -- Netking, 23:30:26 10/29/03 Wed
Snip from The Daily Reckoning [Fair use copyright protection etc]
Addison Wiggin, writing in Paris...
- The Sage of Omaha said he never bought foreign currency - until now. Yesterday's BBC report tells us that Warren Buffett is worried about the dollar. The U.S. government deficit has "greatly worsened," he said, "to the point that our country's 'net worth,' so to speak, is now being transferred abroad at an alarming rate." The budget deficit this year is nearly twice the previous record.
- "Our country [the U.S.] has been behaving like an extraordinarily rich family that possesses an immense farm," Buffett warned in an interview with Fortune magazine. "In order to consume 4% more than we produce - that's the trade deficit - we have, day by day, been both selling pieces of the farm and increasing the mortgage on what we still own." Continuing his analogy, Buffett goes on to explain that, as foreign ownership of the "farm" grows, income flows out of America in the form of dividends and interest payments.
- The U.S. trade deficit with China was a record $11.7 billion in August, according to U.S. government figures cited by Bloomberg. The trade gap with China, which widened to $77 billion in the first 8 months of this year, was a record $103 billion last year. "We have entered the world of negative compounding," laments Warren. "Goodbye pleasure, hello pain."
- Back in the bubble days - when New Era hero George Gilder and his ilk 'got it' - Buffett was crying wolf. When it came to investing in Cisco, Yahoo!, or Amazon, Buffett just didn't 'get it.' He couldn't understand the valuations...so he stayed away. And unlike the thousands - nay millions - of investors with the New Era light flashing in their eyes, Buffet still has his money. In fact, as we pointed out a few days back, Buffet has more money than he has investment ideas.
- "I am crying wolf again," Buffett continues, "and this time, I'm backing it with Berkshire Hathaway money. Through the spring of 2002, I had lived nearly 72 years without purchasing a foreign currency. Since then Berkshire has made significant investments in - and today holds - several currencies."
- Coca Cola announced another layoff yesterday. Nine hundred more people will get pink slips. Coca Cola was one of the companies that helped make Berkshire Hathaway shareholders into millionaires...and Buffett famous for it. Now he regrets not having sold the stock in '99...he wished he had got going when the going was good.
- Easy Al and his Fed pals decided after breakfast yesterday to further underwrite the rapidly swelling U.S. asset and housing bubbles; they left interest rates unchanged at 50-year lows. And there they will remain for at least another six weeks.
- "Surely it must mean something when U.S. house prices are up nearly 20% in two years," writes our London correspondent, Sean Corrigan, commenting on the Fed's decision, "pushing up medical costs, tuition fees and insurance premiums by double digits, too? Or that good, old, speculative equities are roaring - with Semiconductors up 136%, Internets up 142% and Networkers up 209%? Or that four major commodities indices - each with a different composition - are up between 37% and 55% from their late- 2001 lows?
- "Doesn't it matter that long bond yields on U.S. Treasuries have risen 1% from their lows...meaning a 14% drop in T-bill prices? Shouldn't economists worry that U.S. household credit continues to boom, as current and budget accounts yawn ever-wider to record gaps...?"
- Well, apparently not. The Fed's official communiqué stated: "The probability, though minor, of an unwelcome fall in inflation exceeds that of a rise in inflation from its already low level. The Committee judges that, on balance, the risk of inflation becoming undesirably low remains the predominant concern for the foreseeable future. In these circumstances, the Committee believes that policy accommodation can be maintained for a considerable period."
- In plain English, the Central Bank of history's greatest debtor nation thinks it wise to keep on fuelling today's enormous consumption of capital.
- The lumps loved it...by the market's close, fools had rushed in to push the Dow up 140 to 9748, the S&P 500 up 15 to 1046, and the Nasdaq up 49 points to 1932. One wonders whether the greater fools will show up when those in question decide that buying stocks at these valuations isn't such a good idea.
- Select foreign currencies also loved the Fed's decision. "The Kiwi [New Zealand Dollar]," writes Chuck Butler, our friend over at the Everbank trading desk, "hit a 6-year high overnight, and hasn't stopped on profit taking! In December 1997, the Kiwi last traded at .6142, and again, it was going in an opposite direction then on the slippery slope down to 39 cents 3 years later! Both the Aussie [Australian Dollar] and Kiwi got a nice kick when the Fed left rates unchanged, which gives the positive interest rate differential that both of these enjoy, new life!"
[Edit] New $20 Dollar Bill -- Au_Wag, 23:05:25 10/29/03 Wed
[Edit] Shillspec's Track Record -- Shillspec, 21:31:47 10/29/03 Wed
Just for the record:
I posted on 2/26/03 that there were many 'pregnant' mining stories abounding in the junior/explorers. I listed the following as examples:
XCL
SWG
Nevsun
Cordero
Wolfson
Altius
Aurora Platinum
SSO
Virginia
Tan Range
Vista
Almaden
BPN
etc
I challenge mr Slurs, Lies & Temper Tantrums to pick any 5 of these companies and we'd make a lil wager as to the outcome of these particular issues. Of course, I was told that mr slatt doesn't wager even though he clearly does wager on sports. BUT, he's a mining expert.
Well, it looks like it's a pretty good thing that he doesn't wager, no? I wish someone would "shill" me such early stories.
XCL.........now at .66C
SWG.........recently at 29.00 C
Nevsun......just hit $8 C
Cardero.....2.00 C
Wolfson.....4.90 C
Altius......2.85 C
Aurora......2.85 C
SSO.........Has hit over 11.00 C
Virginia....5.74 C
Tan Range...Has hit 2.00 C
Vista.......5.74 C
Almaden......1.59 C
Bpn............43 C
OOPS! Looks like one would have absolutely cleaned up taking ANY 5 of these "SHILLS". BIG winners almost to the tout. What more is there to say other than:
Please give us your best advice mr mining "expert". I will, still, fight for your right to free-moronic speech.
Sorry {not really}.........
Give it up slatt
play 'gotcha' w someone else
G'night
[Edit] Current POG, POS, POP & U$D Live Price -- CHARTs, 21:14:49 10/29/03 Wed
[Edit] "signs" -- Tree in the Forest, 21:07:41 10/29/03 Wed
We are seeing unusual signs now. Roustabouts in the west are now working 24 hours a day drilling and fracing gas wells. They are preparing fields for max max output. The reasoning given is that they must finish prior to herd migrations in the middle of November. But this year is far busier than any previous year. It looks like panic mode.
An insider buys huge amounts of gold on a speedy timetable. Sure, insiders have been accumulating for quite sometime. But one senses that the end is nigh. There is this sense of great urgency. Also, take a look at November's calendar setup. I've discussed this before. I know that you think I'm crazy (sometimes I think I am crazy). But consider that the wealthy never take chances with their money. They insist upon a sure thing. Everything must be in alignment (including, perhaps, the stars) before an important move like the one we see coming. Your last opportunity to buy gold at a low price may be here. Make the most of it.
Those "shills" have brought forth 2X, 5X, and more.....just getting warmed up mr 'mining expert' who owns none. I guess those secondary silver mines were brought into being with a snap of the fingers..........so "easy" eh? Primary silver has to be started from scratch yet secondary silver already exists? Hahaha. SLATT logic @ it's best.
Nice to know you read my stuff. Until we don't meet agin..........
"There's no accounting for peoples' thought processes; right here @ ER we got a bloke who thinks it's 'easier' to set up a secondary silver mine than it is to take readily available silver from near surface. Fortunately for him he doesn't buy mining stox, yet he claims to be expert. I guess when they find secondary silver down near the center of the Earth, he'll want a part of that action because the silver will somehow be "free". OK............."
No need to set up any "secondary" mines. The mines and the production already exist. And compared to you and any silver shill "expert" du jour you wish to tout, yes, I am an expert. But not in the shilling of mining stocks, rather the science which is misrepresented and twisted in order to separate suckers from their money. Stick to drilling teeth, since it is as deep as your understanding of mining gets.
Yes, $1B plus is a big nut to crack. How exactly it's covered is most ionteresting. This "Stalker" wouldn't be taking $1B down from Crimex, would he? I don't have the numbers off the top of the head {or the bottom} but I don't think Crimex could handle a $1B delivery order and still function anywhere near curreent levels. Am I wrong?
Sinclair? He was at the N.O. Conference last year and drew a crowd everywhere he went. Very straight laced in appearance and somewhat professorial. Did not mind being the center of attention to put it mildly, and that really is not a criticism. He was and is again, "Mr. Gold". He's a trading genius and has guts to back it up, an unbeatable combination. Personally, I still believe him to be the "Pied Piper of Paper Gold" though as he draws so many into the paper games of Crimex. Delivery is the only game that should be played on Crimex as far as I'm concerned. He's personally winning a rigged game and in the process lending credence to it. That's yesterday's war. Oh well.
Still, I read him regularly and greatly admire his knowledge. Much to learn. I had opportunity to ask him when exactly he knew all wasn't exactly right in the gold market, thinking about the GATA process at the time, and he said in the mid 1990's. Now he says the market isn't really manipulated as GATA alledges. Can't have it both ways. Barrikk ties concern me frankly. How can they not? Now I see JS giving it to others, like Andy Smith, about 'elitist connections'.
In sum total...........JS is a most worthy Generalissimo, but I'm still keeping a close eye on him.
Yes, the 'cabal' constantly buys in order to sell later. I have always thought they could work off a good deal of any off-side position in this manner. The opportunities to make money in each direction, mostly known in advance, have been near limitless. Still, current buying is overwhelming and if they join in instead of sell we will be off to the races. Every level that has been defended since the $250's has fallen...........$400 soon to follow. That's simply bad strategy but what else could one expect from these central planners. Why did Communism supposedly fail? They say that their markets had no resemblance to true values because of government interference in these processes. Misallocations of capital. Well, let's look at that a little closer to home, eh? If that's really why the Iron Curtain came down we're not too far behind. They bankrupted and we're bankrupt but still in denial.
$400 would be real nice but, in reality, that's only about 3.5% higher than current price of $380. No big deal in actuality. Short covering rally........? No, not like most have been looking for in the last 6 or so years. Simple monetization is the substitute as many have stated at ER FAR before other experts. Raise the bar, monetize, paper over the problem.............that's what weill continue to see in the coming months. EVERY defended level will continue to fall because of the arrogance of the elitist bankers. They simply DON"T have enough good sense to defend a position $50 higher, as some of us continue to tell em. They could buy themselves enough time to extricate their short positions if they didn't insist on their all or none approach. Alas {party hardy}, the die is cast.
They want a stealth bull market in gold? Works for me. What could be much better? I still ask around for more common interest in gold by the public and it's non existent. This with stocks going 2X, 5X, 10X and more. Nothing quite like having the punch bowl to oneself.
"Financial intelligence"? Like you mention.........many get the inside scoop and literally steal from other participants. "We" do have to read between the lines, but at least we're looking there and capable of understanding what exactly is going on. Everyone else is just plain screwed, ne? The poor sheared sheep, as always.
New Orleans is sold out this year. 2 years ago it was OK but still somewhat sparsely attended. There is plenty of money for exploration these days and acquisitions will soon be front page once more. The wall of worry is still front and center and makes for great comfort.......GREED will follow somewhere along the line.
My personal philosophy, since the Bre-X scandal and SEVERE gold stock declines, has simply been that, regardless of how long it takes, we're sooner or later going to have ANOTHER mania. Cycles, nada mas, nada menos. Patience wins that game. Only a complete fool, or a central planner, would try to intervene in the cyclicality of markets.
There's no accounting for peoples' thought processes; right here @ ER we got a bloke who thinks it's 'easier' to set up a secondary silver mine than it is to take readily available silver from near surface. Fortunately for him he doesn't buy mining stox, yet he claims to be expert. I guess when they find secondary silver down near the center of the Earth, he'll want a part of that action because the silver will somehow be "free". OK.............
Butler is strongly in favor of keeping Crimex open because it is an American institution. Might as well keep our bot and paid for Congress on the dole while we're at it or our supposedly free press. Krud, folks.........run it honest or SHUT IT DOWN!!! Why celebrate the Commies failing for central planning but cherish it when we do the same? Ted............I love ya man, but you're becoming the Pied Piper of Paper Silver. You and Sinclair make perfect bookends. TAKE DELIVERY AS THE RULES ALLOW AND RUN IT HONEST OR SHUT IT DOWN!!! WHO NEEDS DISHONEST MARKETS???
Heading for the epicenter soon.
[Edit] controlled media -- qwerty, 19:54:06 10/29/03 Wed
Operation Mockingbird -
The Subversion Of America's Free Press By The CIA
http://www.psychicspy.com/ciamed.txt
"You could get a journalist cheaper than a good
call girl, for a couple hundred dollars a month."
CIA operative discussing with Philip Graham, editor
Washington Post, on the availability and prices of
journalists willing to peddle CIA propaganda and
cover stories. "Katherine The Great," by Deborah
Davis (New York: Sheridan Square Press, 1991)
As terrible as it is to live in a nation where the
press in known to be controlled by the government,
at least one has the advantage of knowing the bias
is present, and to adjust for it. In the United
States of America, we are taught from birth that
our press is free from such government meddling.
This is an insideous lie about the very nature of
the news institution in this country. One that
allows the government to lie to us while denying
the very fact of the lie itself.
The Alex Constantine Article
Tales from the Crypt The Depraved Spies and Moguls
of the CIA's Operation MOCKINGBIRD
By Alex Constantine
Who Controls the Media?
Soulless corporations do, of course. Corporations
with grinning, double-breasted executives,
interlocking directorates, labor squabbles and
flying capital. Dow. General Electric. Coca-Cola.
Disney. Newspapers should have mastheads that
mirror the world: The Westinghouse Evening
Scimitar, The Atlantic-Richfield Intelligentser .
It is beginning to dawn on a growing number of
armchair ombudsmen that the public print reports
news from a parallel universe - one that has never
heard of politically-motivated assassinations,
CIA-Mafia banking thefts, mind control, death
squads or even federal agencies with secret budgets
fattened by cocaine sales - a place overrun by lone
gunmen, where the CIA and Mafia are usually on
their best behavior. In this idyllic land, the most
serious infraction an official can commit __is a
the employment of a domestic servant with (shudder)
no residency status.
This unlikely land of enchantment is the creation
of MOCKINGBIRD.
It was conceived in the late 1940s, the most frigid
period of the cold war, when the CIA began a
systematic infiltration of the corporate media, a
process that often included direct takeover of
major news outlets.
In this period, the American intelligence services
competed with communist activists abroad to
influence European labor unions. With or without
the cooperation of local governments, Frank Wisner,
an undercover State Department official assigned to
the Foreign Service, rounded up students abroad to
enter the cold war underground of covert operations
on behalf of his Office of Policy Coordination.
Philip Graham, __a graduate of the Army
Intelligence School in Harrisburg, PA, then
publisher of the Washington Post., was taken under
Wisner's wing to direct the program code-named
Operation MOCKINGBIRD.
"By the early 1950s," writes former Village Voice
reporter Deborah Davis in Katharine the Great,
"Wisner 'owned' respected members of the New York
Times, Newsweek, CBS and other communications
vehicles, plus stringers, four to six hundred in
all, according to a former CIA analyst." The
network was overseen by Allen Dulles, a templar for
German and American corporations who wanted their
points of view represented in the public print.
Early MOCKINGBIRD influenced 25 newspapers and wire
agencies consenting to act as organs of CIA
propaganda. Many of these were already run by men
with reactionary views, among them William Paley
(CBS), C.D. Jackson (Fortune), Henry Luce (Time)
and Arthur Hays Sulzberger (N.Y. Times).
Activists curious about the workings of MOCKINGBIRD
have since been appalled to f__ind in FOIA
documents that agents boasting in CIA office memos
of their pride in having placed "important assets"
inside every major news publication in the country.
It was not until 1982 that the Agency openly
admitted that reporters on the CIA payroll have
acted as case officers to agents in the field.
"World War III has begun," Henry's Luce's Life
declared in March, 1947. "It is in the opening
skirmish stage already." The issue featured an
excerpt of a book by James Burnham, who called for
the creation of an "American Empire,"
"world-dominating in political power, set up at
least in part through coercion (probably including
war, but certainly the threat of war) and in which
one group of people ... would hold more than its
equal share of power."
George Seldes, the famed anti-fascist media critic,
drew down on Luce in 1947, explaining tha__t
"although avoiding typical Hitlerian phrases, the
same doctrine of a superior people taking over the
world and ruling it, began to appear in the press,
whereas the organs of Wall Street were much more
honest in favoring a doctrine inevitably leading to
war if it brought greater commercial markets under
the American flag."
On the domestic front, an abiding relationship was
struck between the CIA and William Paley, a wartime
colonel and the founder of CBS. A firm believer in
"all forms of propaganda" to foster loyalty to the
Pentagon, Paley hired CIA agents to work undercover
at the behest of his close friend, the busy grey
eminence of the nation's media, Allen Dulles.
Paley's designated go-between in his dealings with
the CIA was Sig Mickelson, president of CBS News
from 1954 to 1961.
The CIA's assimilation of old guard fascists was
overseen by the Operations Coordination Board,
directed by C.D. Jackson, formerly an executive of
Time magazine and Eisenhower's Special Assistant
for Cold War Strategy. In 1954 he was succeeded by
Nelson Rockefeller, who quit a year later,
disgusted at the administration's political
infighting. Vice President Nixon succeeded
Rockefeller as the key cold war strategist.
"Nixon," writes John Loftus, a former attorney for
the Justice Department's Office of Special
Investigations, took "a small boy's delight in the
arcane tools of the intelligence craft - the hidden
microphones, the 'black' propaganda." Nixon
especially enjoyed his visit to a Virginia training
camp to observe Nazis in the "special forces"
drilling at covert operations.
One of the fugitives recruited by the American
intelligence underground was heroin smuggler Hubert
von Blcher, the son of A German ambassador. Hubert
often bragged that that he was trained by the
Abwehr, the German military intelligence division,
while still a civilian in his twenties. He served
in a recon unit of the German Army until forced out
for medical reasons in 1944, according to his
wartime records. He worked briefly as an assistant
director for Berlin-Film on a movie entitled One
Day ..., and finished out the war flying with the
Luftwaffe, but not to engage the enemy - his
mission was the smuggling of Nazi loot out of the
country. His exploits were, in part, the subject of
Sayer and Botting's Nazi Gold, an account of the
knockover of the Reichsbank at the end of the war.
In 1948 he flew the coop to Argentina. Posing as a
photographer named Huberto von Bleucher Corell, he
immediately paid court to Eva Peron, presenting her
with an invaluable Gobelin tapestry (a selection
from the wealth of artifacts confiscated by the SS
from Europe's Jews?). Hubert then met with Martin
Bormann at the Hotel Plaza to deliver German marks
worth $80 million. The loot financed the birth of
the National Socialist Party in Argentina, among
other forms of Nazi revival.
In 1951, Hubert migrated northward and took a job
at the Color Corporation of America in Hollywood.
He eked out a living writing scripts for the
booming movie industry. His voice can be heard on a
film set in the Amazon, produced by Walt Disney.
Nine years later he returned to Buenos Aires, then
Dsseldorf, West Germany, and established a firm
that developed not movie scripts, but anti-chemical
warfare agents for the government. At the Industrie
Club in Dsseldorf in 1982, von Blcher boasted to
journalists, "I am chief shareholder of Pan
American Airways. I am the best friend of Howard
Hughes. The Beach Hotel in Las Vegas is 45 percent
financed by me. I am thus the biggest financier
ever to appear in the Arabian Nights tales dreamed
up by these people over their second bottle of
brandy."
Not really. Two the biggest financiers to stumble
from the drunken dreams of world-moving affluence
were, in their time, Moses Annenberg, publisher of
The Philadelphia Inquirer, and his son Walter , the
CIA/mob-anchored publisher of the TV Guide. Like
most American high-rollers, Annenberg lived a
double life. Moses, his father, was a scion of the
Capone mob. Both Moses and Walter were indicted in
1939 for tax evasions totalling many millions of
dollars - the biggest case in the history of the
Justice Department. Moses pled guilty and agreed to
pay the government $8 million and settle $9 million
in assorted tax claims, penalties and interest
debts. Moses received a three-year sentence. He
died in Lewisburg Penitentiary.
Walter Annenbeg, the TV Guide magnate, was a lofty
Republican. On the campaign trail in April, 1988,
George Bush flew into Los Angeles to woo Reagan's
kitchen cabinet. "This is the topping on the cake,"
Bush's regional campaign director told the Los
Angeles Times. The Bush team met at Annenberg's
plush Rancho Mirage estate at Sunnylands,
California. It was at the Annenberg mansion that
Nixon's cabinet was chosen, and the state's social
and contributor registers built over a
quarter-century of state political dominance by
Ronald Reagan, whose acting career was launched by
Operation MOCKINGBIRD.
The commercialization of television, coinciding
with Reagan's recruitment by the Crusade for
Freedom, a CIA front, presented the intelligence
world with unprecedented potential for sowing
propaganda and even prying in the age of Big
Brother. George Orwell glimpsed the possibilities
when he installed omniscient video surveillance
technology in 1948, a novel rechristened 1984 for
the first edition published in the U.S. by
Harcourt, Brace. Operation Octopus, according to
{{ Anniversary of Terror: October 12 - Operation Octopus
I was reminded this morning - as if anyone could ever forget- by a
newsman that October 11 would mark the one-month anniversaryof the
terrorist attack on America. Memorial services will be heldin New
York and Washington for the victims
http://www.theperspective.org/octopus.html ]]
federal files, was in full swing by 1948, a
surveillance program that turned any television set
with tubes into a broadcast transmitter. Agents of
Octopus could pick up audio and visual images with
the equipment as far as 25 miles away.
Hale Boggs was investigating Operation Octopus at
the time of his disappearance in the midst of the
Watergate probe.
In 1952, at MCA, Actors' Guild president Ronald
Reagan - a screen idol recruited by MOCKINGBIRD's
Crusade for Freedom to raise funds for the
resettlement of Nazis in the U.S., according to
Loftus - signed a secret waiver of the
conflict-of-interest rule with the mob-controlled
studio, in effect granting it a labor monopoly on
early television programming. In exchange, MCA made
Reagan a part owner. Furthermore, historian C. Vann
Woodward, writing in the New York Times, in 1987,
reported that Reagan had "fed the names of suspect
people in his organization to the FBI secretly and
regularly enough to be assigned 'an informer's code
number, T-10.' His FBI file indicates intense
collaboration with producers to 'purge' the
industry of subversives."
No one ever turned a suspicious eye on Walter
Cronkite, a former intelligence officer and in the
immediate postwar period UPI's Moscow
correspondent. Cronkite was lured to CBS by
Operation MOCKINGBIRD's Phil Graham, according to
Deborah Davis.
Another television conglomerate, Cap Cities, rose
like a horror-film simian from CIA and Mafia heroin
operations. Among other organized-crime
Republicans, Thomas Dewey and his neighbor Lowell
Thomas threw in to launch the infamous Resorts
International, the corporate front for Lansky's
branch of the federally-sponsored mob family and
the corporate precursor to Cap Cities. Another of
the investors was James Crosby, a Cap Cities
executive who donated $100,000 to Nixon's 1968
presidential campaign. This was the year that
Resorts bought into Atlantic City casino interests.
Police in New jersey attempted, with no success, to
spike the issuance of a gambling license to the
company, citing Mafia ties.
In 1954, this same circle of investors, all
Catholics, founded the broadcasting company
notorious for overt propagandizing and general
spookiness. The company's chief counsel was OSS
veteran William Casey, who clung to his shares by
concealing them in a blind trust even after he was
appointed CIA director by Ronald Reagan in 1981.
"Black radio" was the phrase CIA critic David Wise
coined in The Invisible Government to describe the
agency's intertwining interests in the emergence of
the transistor radio with the entrepreneurs who
took to the airwaves. "Daily, East and West beam
hundreds of propaganda broadcasts at each other in
an unrelenting babble of competition for the minds
of their listeners. The low-price transistor has
given the hidden war a new importance," enthused
one foreign correspondent.
A Hydra of private foundations sprang up to finance
the propaganda push. One of them, Operations and
Policy Research, Inc. (OPR), received hundreds of
thousands of dollars from the CIA through private
foundations and trusts. OPR research was the basis
of a television series that aired in New York and
Washington, D.C. in 1964, Of People and Politics, a
"study" of the American political system in 21
weekly installments.
In Hollywood, the visual cortex of The Beast, the
same CIA/Mafia combination that formed Cap Cities
sank its claws into the film studios and labor
unions. Johnny Rosselli was pulled out of the Army
during the war by a criminal investigation of
Chicago mobsters in the film industry. Rosselli, a
CIA asset probably assassinated by the CIA, played
sidekick to Harry Cohn, the Columbia Pictures mogul
who visited Italy's Benito Mussolini in 1933, and
upon his return to Hollywood remodeled his office
after the dictator's. The only honest job Rosselli
ever had was assistant purchasing agent (and a
secret investor) at Eagle Lion productions, run by
Bryan Foy, a former producer for 20th Century Fox.
Rosselli, Capone's representative on the West
Coast, passed a small fortune in mafia investments
to Cohn. Bugsy Seigel pooled gambling investments
with Billy Wilkerson, publisher of the Hollywood
Reporter.
In the 1950s, outlays for global propaganda climbed
to a full third of the CIA's covert operations
budget. Some 3, 000 salaried and contract CIA
employees were eventually engaged in propaganda
efforts. The cost of disinforming the world cost
American taxpayers an estimated $265 million a year
by 1978, a budget larger than the combined
expenditures of Reuters, UPI and the AP news
syndicates.
In 1977, the Copely News Service admitted that it
worked closely with the intelligence services - in
fact, 23 employees were full-time employees of the
Agency.
Most consumers of the corporate media were - and
are - unaware of the effect that the salting of
public opinion has on their own beliefs. A network
anchorman in time of national crisis is an
instrument of psychological warfare in the
MOCKINGBIRD media. He is a creature from the
national security sector's chamber of horrors. For
this reason consumers of the corporate press have
reason to examine their basic beliefs about
government and life in the parallel universe of
these United States.
> the informers got paid off to point out "communists"
the informers got paid off by the communists controlling the white house, congress, intelligence and military, who were in charge of searching the US government for communists, to point out "communists"
there is the attack on the Liberty during johnson era
israeli pilots knew the ship was american but were ordered to attack
the johnson and the cabal in america were hoping the ship would be completely destroyed so there would be no witnesses ... another gulf of tonkin incident ... manufacture an incident and use the lies built up around it as a pretext
johnson carried out treason along with democrat and republican members of congress who did nothing ... all those deaths happened with collusion
imagine going in the military on the assumption you fighting for america only to be murdered by your own govt by various ways and for hidden agendas
the most sickening aspect of an investigation now is that it is over 30 years later ... how much of this delayed investigation shit can people put up with ... it is their modus operandi ... the public simply doesn't care ... if you point this out to people, they will say ... "well, that happened a long time ago, it is not like that anymore" ...
the military is really for the real dumb feckers
there was this guy who came back from guatanamo bay and i asked about the guilt of the imprisoned people. he said they were guilty. i said, how do you know. he said, because they were pointed out by informers. i said, well, they were given 10K to inform on people. he said, "for 10k, i'd inform on my friends, relatives and almost anybody too .... that's good money" ... pretty sick ... when the economy goes way into the toilet, people can make a living informing on other people ... it'll be great
won't be too difficult finding "domestic terrorists" especially with a finansial reward
the so called mccarthy period during the 50's ... the informers got paid off to point out "communists"
[Edit] @qwerty, et al -- dotti, 18:27:10 10/29/03 Wed
One of the smartest people I ever knew was a Master Chief in the Navy. He told me that when they lined everybody up for the vaccines, he would ask for a cotton swab with alcohol. Then he would start rubbing his arm with it and slowly, but surely, leave the site as though he had already had his shot. He made it sound easy. Don't know if it was true, but I hoped that it was.
I hate to spoil the party, but didn't we hear before that once we topped $290 the POG would be set free. And. All along the way. Will it be different this time?
I want so much--so very much--for the gold cartel to get what is coming to them...when will it really happen?
dotti
[Edit] frisco fred -- qwerty, 18:20:00 10/29/03 Wed
what is Rangel and Conyers going to do to prevent the next batch of draftees from having their health destroyed thru vaccines along with depleted uranium, experimentation etc
what have they done about the tens of thousands of deaths and hundreds of thousands of people who have had their health permanently destroyed during gulf war 1
what have they done about the pentagon conducting involuntary experiments on the vets for at least the last 50 years ... members of congress actually voted overwhelmingly to give them that authority
large scale military atrocities against people serving in the US military that are allowed to happen and covered up on a continual basis by the upper echelon
i find it real difficult that conyers doesn't know what is really going on ... he is part of the problem
does the bill include the right to refuse vaccines
does the bill disallow experimentation on the draftee by the pentagon
what is rangel and conyers going to do about the treason in the higher echelon ranks of the military
who would be stupid enough to serve in the military where the real enemy has hijacked the military
i think the people who should be drafted should be people voting and supporting for rangels and conyers and anybody else supporting the draft. i have less of a problem with that.
we need to get all the US politicians, fly them over to iraq and afghanistan, put them on the front line. also give them and their families all the vaccines - just to "protect" their health of course.
rangel and conyers have been silent about so much that it is sickening
i remember congress had all those hearings on gulf war syndrome - the result - they let them twist in the wind when all was said and done
[Edit] Charlie Brown Keeks a Touchdown! -- auspec, 16:12:11 10/29/03 Wed
From tonight's Midas w permission:
10/29 The Stalker Stuns Gold Cartel
October 29 - Gold $386.50 up $3.70 - Silver $5.11 up 4 cents
The Stalker Stuns Gold Cartel
"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." --Chinese Proverb
Gold made no sense this morning, at least that is what I thought upon waking and seeing gold down $2.50. The dollar was weaker, the stock market called lower and many commodity prices were higher, with platinum and soybeans leading the way. On the Comex opening gold took out $380, but then quickly reversed course and took off for the upside. Was The Stalker in there doing his thing, as advertised in MIDAS yesterday?
BAM! Gold rose $7 off its opening low with little else going on in the investment world. I’m writing this commentary early because I have to catch a plane early this afternoon for the New Orleans Investment Conference. Thus my commentary may be a bit disjointed. Will make notations to you as I see them while I pack and finish my conference presentation. By the way, GATA has a surprise in store for the conference attendees and for Café members. It will be much fun and I will make it known during my presentation on Friday.
Back to The Stalker again. I have been at this commodities futures business a long time. NEVER do you get information in advance, tell everyone what is going to happen and why and THEN have it actually happen. I can’t say for sure it was The Stalker, but if it wasn’t, then it was the "Luck Of The Irish."
I wonder how much more The Stalker still has to buy out of his $1.1 billion dollar gold order?
As is often the case with gold, The Gold Cartel regrouped after being stunned by the swiftness of the price rise this morning. Deutsche Bank was the designated stopper this time. In addition, the floor tells me that when DEC gold hit $388.20, SOMEONE gave a monster sell order to AlL the dealers with orders to take gold down hard. They did as it dropped more than $2 in minutes. Manipulation of the highest order.
The crooks desperately want to keep gold from closing about $390, which leaves $400 gold only a hop, skip and a jump away. More and more talk is beginning to circulate that if gold can clear $400, we might get a gold melt-up. The gold derivatives neutron bomb could go off.
END
Comments: Gold bugs, in large part, are skittish when they really needn't be and will end up being the boldest when they also shouldn't be. We're going MUCH higher regardless of the short term moves, tis baked in the cake.
still checking the mail daily for some of me v's promised gold stock dividends................
Right now, New Orleans is the epicenter of the gold world, right? Well, not exactly, unless millions of Indians, Chinese and Islamic folks show up. They WILL be their in spirit for sure. James U. Blanchard, founder of this conference, was early with the "China Factor" some 8 or so years ago.
qwerty, I could be wrong (as I often am) but my thought on Rangel and Conyers push for the draft is so that some of the elite sons and daughters would have to serve their country and not just mostly poor people. Some would find a way to dodge (as almost all of Congress, Clinton, Bush and their children did), but it would catch some of them.
It's an ill wind,
FF
[Edit] number six -- volavka, 13:24:33 10/29/03 Wed
you must have bought the 9 million + shares of apll today.
[Edit] H.R.163 Universal National Service Act of 2003 -- qwerty, 12:44:00 10/29/03 Wed
Rangel and Conyers are co-sponsors in re-instating the draft and of course they are suppose to be "anti-war". what NWO scumbags they are.
the major problems for any draftee is
a ) it is legal for the pentagon to conduct experiments on the draftee
b ) it is legal for them for forcibly inject vaccines into the draftee
c) they will be under the command of treasonous upper echelon military and political people.
a) and b) threaten the life and health of the draftee in a major way. like previous vets, they will be discarded into the trash can call post traumatic stress syndrome or some psychiatric diagnosis and given anti-depressants and counseling as treatment. another words, they will be fecked over good. they won't even be able to sue the military or government for harm done to them. many soldiers even got micro-chipped against their will.
talk about being caught between the rock and hard place.
i think the key to surviving any induction is keeping the government from getting physical access to ones body and the avoiding involvement in the manufactured wars and conflicts.
the cabal will need to deal with a billion dollar of gold purchase, it won't be easy
should make it over the $400 bar and maybe even the $410 bar if they purchase it
the support / resistance line will be raised higher
maybe some more heavy purchases from other sources before end of year to get us over $425
i can see why sinclair is being aggressive in going long ... he'll make a bundle
maybe even the cabal is going long knowing that the line in the sand will be moved up
i would think the cabal would support a higher price of gold as a defensive measure to head off the purchase or push it further into the future
the cabal could front run everyone and dump them later
hopefully the sinclair and speculators take that opportunity away
a counter measure for the stalker would be to spread the purchases out over time so they minimize any artificial pump and front running by the cabal
i think closing above 425 by years end would be good
i think getting to 450 by years end would be ideal
then go into 2 or 3 months of some correction and consolidation and then resume the upward trend in spring
i don't really want to see the public involved in a major way until $525 or so since i think we have sufficient rocket fuel to get to that level. i'd rather see real gold demand be the base
when china allows the individual to get in on the gold, that will be real interesting. i suspect some of the current stalker buying is being done to satisfy expected demand when they allow individuals in china to own gold
many of us are wondering when the american public gets involved. the chinese public may get there ahead of the american public who will become even poorer since they have to buy at premium prices
i'm sure the very wealthy in china have always been able to buy gold thru the back door especially through mongolia and hong kong
the equity gold funds will be another source when they come on line
i can see a feeding frenzy coming at some point all around the world because at some point, i expect the cabal to go long and be "gold friendly" at least until they get control of it again
i'm sure the volatility along the way will be very scary. for many people but since most of us know the nature of gold and market manipulation, it will be just the same ole same ole ... after it stabilizes above 450, we should be comfortable
so he price of gold shooting up today doesn't surprise me
all those insiders especially the ones in intelligence who collect or have access to financial intelligence ... what an easy way to become rich ... us peons have to contend with all the disinformation and scrape for info that privileged insiders get handed to them on a gold platter
[Edit] You all gave up too soon -- volavka, 09:25:55 10/29/03 Wed
u could not push it over 388.00
I'll settle for a 386 dec close.
EUR 10/28/03 @ 1.1655 bottom, last today @1.1696, Eur, your mission should you decide to accept is to get past the recent double top @ apprx 1.1858, followed by 1.1933 [reached May/June]....strong upside exists [ditto Au] beyond this for the EUR, the land of Canan...
Many, many times my friend. All along the way from $250 to current $380 plus, all the way along the trip to "da bank". Midas knows gold! Midas is a bulldog but so is Chris!
[For those of you who bash Ted in cyberspace, well...shame on you. More power to you man]
~~~~~~~~
The Stalker, he's gone back to China, Who? that's right.
[Edit] Current POG, POS, POP & U$D Live Price -- CHARTs, 22:59:12 10/28/03 Tue
[Edit] Hey Rusty... How Many Times... -- Tai, 22:55:01 10/28/03 Tue
...have we heard Midas say this.?.
"The cabal won another battle, but if
my latest information is right, they will be on the defensive shortly."
Just asking...
[Edit] P-Nuts Splitz the Uprights! -- auspec, 19:31:23 10/28/03 Tue
Snippet from tonight's Midas {w permission}:
The Stalker to Strike Again This Coming Week
"Last Friday’s gold bashing by JP Morgan Chase in the last half hour was a warning by The Gold Cartel to the longs they were going to have their hands full if they stayed that way. Gold has dropped virtually $10 off its late Friday high in two sessions since the cabal launched their attack."
"Great Lakes was a huge seller this morning. Goldman Sachs was actually a small buyer. The cabal won another battle, but if my latest information is right, they will be on the defensive shortly. Got a call today from my Stalker source. He tells me The Stalker ("gold buying group" whose orders are emanating out of New Zealand and Australia) bought 1/3 of its $1.6 billion buy order and backed off on the rest as the gold price took off. However, we now hear that as gold has dropped back, they will be buying again SOON and expect the remainder of the HUGE order to be filled within a week to ten days."
END
Comment: By Halloween the "Stalker" will be roaming the streets of NY. Lucy has some "splainin to do" for not pulling da ball away quick enough.
The "Gold Bug Ball" starts tomorrow. Some think gold will be bashed in honor of same. Naw!
Gold shares are still flying high.........some are really kicking butt. Buyouts will be on the agenda in the coming months {6 or so}. Let the games begin....we're not even close to a public mania. Slow and steady, as the R Man sez............this bull is gonna last numerous years after an 18 mo bear.
P.S. I think FeTop is actually the Stalker.........sly dog that he is.
[Edit] number six -- volavka, 11:26:41 10/28/03 Tue
yep, apll like magr, it's all about percent per cent, follow my point...
You can own alittle or millions and when they show a chart pattern, especially the 97 percent, you buy the hell out of them.
[Edit] hmmmmm -- number six, 07:31:12 10/28/03 Tue
Hey volavka, if you're out there, you were recommending APLL.ob apolo gold right? Well I just done gone bought some. Couldn't resist a gold and silver company with a forward p/e of less than point five! Sure they are a two-bit little operation, but asking for a p/e of 5 instead would surely not be asking too much.... They just need their story to get out.
Really like that photo from space. Great post! Looks like Southern California is getting a bit of a cleansing. Makes one wonder what happens when the rains come? Should provide some economic stimulus for reconstructing the homes and jobs. Makes you think of the Eagles and that song off The Hotel California album called, The Last Resort:
(The Last Resort by the Eagles)
She came from Providence, the one in Rhode Island
where the old world shadows hang heavy in the air.
She packed her hopes and dreams like a refugee,
just as her father came across the sea.
She heard about a place people were smilin',
they spoke about the red man's way, how they loved the land.
And they came from everywhere to the Great Divide
seeking a place to stand or a place to hide.
Down in the crowded bars out for a good time,
can't wait to tell you all what it's like up there.
And they called it paradise, I don't know why.
Somebody laid the mountains low while the town got high.
Then the chilly winds blew down across the desert,
through the canyons of the coast to the Malibu
where the pretty people play hungry for power
to light their neon way and give them things to do.
Some rich man came and raped the land, nobody caught 'em,
put up a bunch of ugly boxes and, Jesus, people bought 'em.
And they called it paradise, the place to be,
they watched the hazy sun sinking in the sea.
You can leave it all behind and sail to Lahaina
just like the missionaries did so many years ago.
They even brought a neon sign 'Jesus is Coming',
brought the white man's burden down, brought the white man's reign.
Who will provide the grand design, what is yours and what is mine?
'Cause there is no more new frontier, we have got to make it here.
We satisfy our endless needs and justify our bloody deeds
in the name of destiny and in the name of God.
And you can see them there on Sunday morning
stand up and sing about what it's like up there.
They called it paradise, I don't know why.
You call some place paradise - kiss it goodbye
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Dr James Dobson reports an organization has been granted a Federal Hearing on the same subject by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) in Washington,DC. Their petition, Number 2493, would ultimately pave the way to stop the reading of the Gospel the airwaves of America. The 287,000 signatures that back the stand suggest if this attempt is successful, all Sunday worship services being broadcast on the radio or by television are at risk. This group is also campaigning to remove all Christmas programs and Christmas carols from public schools.
Think you live in a free country? Play it again Sam.
===
this makes me very very very suspicious
to gather a large number signatures for such a stupid thing raises a red flag
it's another NWO operation with the evangelical NWO people complicit
so many evangelicals even tout Bush and the Homeland Security brotherhood as "christians" ... many "christians" view bush as christian ... talk about how dumb people are and what they can be convinced of
it is the thesis - anti-thesis modus operandi to bring about a hidden agenda
it would be very intersting to find out where their funding comes from ...
this whole thing SMELLS like another behind the scenes covert psyops operation with a front group acting as a distraction
and with the destruction of the US constitution and ushering in a police state happening in the mean time ... groups who don't focus on the serious stuff now show themselves to be most likely FAKE
it'll get many of the christian mind controlled sheep in a polarized state ... bush will align wih them ... they will work together with satan ur i mean bush
stopping the reading of the Gospel on radio etc ... how absurd can things get ...
soon there will be a group putting forward a petition to make parents who don't GPS chip their kids for locatability as child abusers since they could create missing children
If Dr James Dobson has not warned people of the shering in police state and patriot act then one can assume he is just an actor playing out his role
[Edit] "No Gospel allowed on the airwaves!" -- Netking, 01:06:05 10/28/03 Tue
Dr James Dobson reports an organization has been granted a Federal Hearing on the same subject by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) in Washington,DC. Their petition, Number 2493, would ultimately pave the way to stop the reading of the Gospel the airwaves of America. The 287,000 signatures that back the stand suggest if this attempt is successful, all Sunday worship services being broadcast on the radio or by television are at risk. This group is also campaigning to remove all Christmas programs and Christmas carols from public schools.
Think you live in a free country? Play it again Sam.
[Edit] Current POG, POS, POP & U$D Live Price -- CHARTs, 00:41:05 10/28/03 Tue
[Edit] Canadian Zinc--Silver Potential -- Netking, 23:09:12 10/27/03 Mon
"...Canadian Zinc has some of the highest grades of ore in the world, with 12% zinc, 10% lead, and over 6 ounces of silver per ton over 11 million tonnes in "zone 3" of 12 zones. Canadian Zinc (CZN.TO and CZICF.PK) was up 22.37% today to break out to a new high of $.93 CAN. Zinc and silver prices continue to go up, hitting .42 cents/lb. for zinc, and $5.11/oz. for silver. Canadian Zinc has zinc, of course, and also plenty of silver...
...Why is there such excitement about Canadian Zinc? It could be that this was the mining operation financed by the Hunt brothers, who were key silver players in the run up to $50/oz. silver back in 1980. The mine was 90% complete in 1980 as the project had $50 million in infrastructure set up back then. At today's prices, the value of the existing mill and the rest of the buildings may well exceed $100 million...
...the company has mineralization across 12 zones, but has a pre-feasibility study that concentrates on zone 3, which is obviously the largest and richest target. So there is a lot of exploration potential here that is not considered..."
qwerty, thank you for the explanation about Sinclair. "Tongue twists and turns" is an apt description to tie together your two posts that at first reading seemed contradictory. I wonder if his speaking is as "blustering" as his writing. It seems at times that he knows more about real estate mine deals than he does about gold deals. I have heard that his wife is much more knowledgeable about gold than he is, but is a player behind the scene.
Appreciate your explanation,
Thomas
[Edit] California Burning From Space -- Netking, 22:11:14 10/27/03 Mon
An image from NASA's Modis satellite of California's out of control wildfires.
[Edit] @ Slatt and number six -- Galearis, 12:58:57 10/27/03 Mon
About silver mining...
There are grey areas to grey areas in the mining world and lots of opinion on what is what. However, it is generally accepted that silver production from base metal and sometimes gold recovery operations is generally inelastic. This is especially the case as the economies (world) slow down in recessionary times. They simply don’t ramp up production of zinc, for example, to recover more silver. Zinc demand actually falls and so we are likely to see even less silver coming out of the sector, not more.
Primary producers, the few of them out there, have a tendency – if their management is wise – to cut back on silver production as the bang for the ounce rises. This way they maintain an even cash flow, employment level, and generally get back some of the lost reserves that they squandered high-grading their ore during the rigged market, excuse me, low POS period. This obviously is not black and white. Some miner managements would be stupid, or in debt (short), or just plain greedy to the point that they would have to ramp up production,,, so a few keep on high-grading. Hard to call, it’s a big nasty world out there, especially in pms.
What we are reasonably sure about is that silver production will likely fall gradually thru this century and new uses for silver will augment demand. We are probably running low both above and below ground - in the practical sense. It is hard to say whether production will even surpass consumption ever again. But I am VERY suspicious of statements made of most the surface primary silver has been discovered….Silver deposits of the primary type are usually small and not easily found and while the world is shrinking seemingly, most of it still hasn’t been seen with educated eyes. Things are missed all the time.
Regards,
G.
P.S. Gold Corp fortunes changed for the better when it was noticed that the cook throwing out the dishwater behind the mess hall had exposed a lot of native gold in an outcropping quartz vein system. New mining commenced. Missed for years.
A major mine was discovered on the Klondyke Trail with gold in a vein actually polished by the thousands of mule hooves riding over it...Thousands of prospectors on their way to the placer fields never noticed.
sinclairs posting where he gave a gloomy gold outlook is gone
maybe that one was scheduled to come out after gold went above 415
sinclair can sometimes mimic the stuff happening on this planet and can make one wonder alot about him
on the bright side, i think his tehnical analysis is ok
and even if one were to suppose that is covertly work for the cabal, one can get valuable information from him for personal investing growth
and if one supposes he is sincerely expressing his views, it can be very depressing thinking that the human species will become extinct because of it's sheer stupidity and i mean on an individual level
Silver production as a byproduct is the easiest. Case closed. It is a simple matter of profitability. The existing byproduct silver production is more profitable since there isn't additional cost in it's production. As I see it the example (from 10% to 36% of revenue) you gave proves that point. If the mine operated at a profit before it is extremely profitable now. And with no added risk.
Opening new or abandoned silver mines is indeed very costly. So is the cost of production of the silver. The profitability can be quite less than byproduct silver. The production will be tied to POS exclusively, thus making the operation of the mine hostage to POS.
[Edit] intelligent agent exposure story is a joke -- qwerty, 08:53:54 10/27/03 Mon
in regards to supposedly exposure of intelligent agent by bush
this is nothing but a contrived trash story
there are so many intelligence agents above the surface that one can see that it is a joke. all one needs to pick out a lot of names is a directory listing.
we could tag them with round purple dots on their foreheads
i could go to any US embassy and put a purple tag on just about every employee and be able to detect the one's working for intelligence
we could put a purple tag on dan rather and a bunch of other media people ... gee, they are exposed
what a joke this whole story is
why don't we put a purple dot on clinton's forehead
what made me sick was that bob chapman actually said that he thought novak should be shot for treason
yeah, right bob ... hasn't said much about shooting people in the upper echelon of financial, military, intelligence and political who have committed blatant treason against the country
i would like to ask all those intel agents out on the web whether we need to shoot almost the entire upper echelon on intelligence agencies officials ... how could decades of treason be carried out without so many upper echelon officials being unaware
how do all these outraged intel people feel about working for an organization controlled by the NWO ...
what about the upper echelon military people
where were these people outrage when ...
OKC bombing treason was carried out
911 treason was carried out
WTC 1993 treason was carried out
Operation Norwood treason
JFK assassinaion treason
destruction of the US constitution
treason in the theft of 3 trillion dollars in defense spending
biological attacks against the american people over the last century
treason against hundreds of thousands of veterans, POW's and so called MIA
treason in the manufacture of wars fought for the elite
and a whole lot more
do you think we ought to do anything about the hijacking and subversion of the media and expose the disinformation intelligence agents
do you think we ought to expose the treason by intel agents
it will be the sinclairs, schultz and even partly bob chapman who talks in contradictions who will be responsible for the destruction of this country
the intel agents are doing a good job in doing nothing to stop the destruction of this country
some of the ones i have personally come across have partaken in the looting of the taxpayers
this is not to say there are some trying to do something but they have no real power
the mindless cog behavior of intelligence agents are helping carrying out the destruction of this country by their blind loyalty to the organizations of the dark forces.
most intelligence agents are nothing more than little privileged pawns of the elite. too many are corrupted and have no patriotism to their country.
i would suspect that many true patriots of the intelligence community have been murdered by their own agency ... the lockerbie airline crash is a case in point ... where was the outrage about this ... agency personel helped cover this up
people compartmentalizing the treason to a few lone individuals are either very politically stupid or complicit in treason themselves - for running a psyops campaign and helping cover up all the other treason against the USA
Treason is a way of life in the USA for upper echelon political, financial, military and intelligence people. The NWO is the power behind them. They promote people to high positions who will obey their orders to destroy america. On a lower level, you have your mindless and corrupt cogs. If someone like Bush Sr is popular in the CIA, it would make sense why.
The good guys within the machinery who have managed to survive that are trying to fight it are outnumbered and mostly powerless in the bigger picture.
Unwittingly, allying themselves with the NWO is J6P. They will allow the few good people in the system to burn at the stake. J6P aids and abets the enemy from within. J6P views themsleves as patriotic. The NWO views J6P as stupid and controllable.
Yep, up to 40 people killed, 224 injured in Iraq on the first day of Ramadan, Red Cross considers pulling out all foreign workers...not a good situation over there folks...indications suggest this is just "early days". President Bush: "...the more progress we make, the more desperate these people are to destroy freedom. We will not be intimidated...", the classic "...bring 'em on..." words were left out of this speech, guess that's exactly what happened.
Mate, you've got it all backwards when it comes to silver-as-by-product mining. It would take a huge and sustained increase in POS before most mines could comit the big bucks required to increase mine capacity. Building new shafts, buying new mills, redrawing the whole life-of-mine plan, rejigging the whole processing plant while it's still operating... these are a royal pain in the arse and they cost a LOT. Imagine a mine with $100 mil revenues, including $10m from selling 2mil oz/ag. Now if silver was previously only contributing 10% of the mine's revenue at $5/oz, if it hits $25/oz it would still only be contributing 36% of revenue. You'd still have to give a lot more heed to the other 63% and how those commodities were going. You'd have to have a lot of faith in a continued high pos before you'd comit the $20-50-100 mil required to seriously increase overall output. If the pos went back down you'd have turned your nice little earner into a white elephant, and this is what they would fear even if silver had stayed above ~$25 for a few years.
Now pure or near pure silver deposits that need $8 pos to be worth it, (silver standard has a bunch of them,) these will be put into operation quickly - i.e. producing within 2 or 3 years after pos starts to fly. But the polymetallic silver by-product guys won't, for the most part, be upping production greatly for a few years after, if it's worth their while at all. Some will, most won't.
U.S. told from day #1, snipers and using your car as a missile.
[Edit] WRONG AGAIN (sigh) -- SLATT, 05:41:08 10/27/03 Mon
"Has the "easy" silver been picked over? Yes, of course it has. The majority of the earth's land surfaces have had some degree of geological analysis. New primary silver mines are much more likely to come as a result of POS increasing and affecting the economics of a previously explored property than as a result of brand new discoveries."
Silver is silver. The "easy" silver is being produced as a byproduct of mining for other metals. Can't get any easier than that. And that "easy" silver production will increase with the rise in POS.
I took this post of wwww.freebuck.com which has many articles by this author and i also visited the site to read the other free articles all of which are very interesting
19 October 2003
General market commentary
The biggest problem to date has been the markets extreme refusal to even give a modest decent correction and against all odds and all beliefs it seems to keep churning upwards, like a blind man with a purpose. The plaguing question is what is the purpose, what is the market trying to tell us? Or is it the market talking or just the easy money policies of the fed that are blindly pumping this market up. Every technical indicator is in the overbought range, every psychological indicator is in the extreme bullish range to(which is usually a negative for the market), contrarain indicators which most fall under psychological indicators are also suggesting that we should have already started to correct. And the esoteric hourly cycles have been in the screaming overbought zone since the 8th of October, while they can stay for quite extended periods of time in the overbought zone, this is extremely unusual, however the only ray of light and I mean that in an ironical way is that the daily cycles are not overbought, which is something I find very hard to believe, I do not try to direct the cycles, I just make sure I am able to read what they are saying, so while all the indicators are in the extreme overbought zone, the only one that has not given a major sell signal is the daily esoteric cycles .
The daily cycles have just touched the overbought zone, which is technically the minimum level needed in order to start a decent correction, however this is not a guarantee and in an irrational market one usually ends going to the extreme zone, we are in an irrational market, the cycles are suggesting that 9900-10000 is a possibility.
Lets us look at the irrational factors.
Vix has dropped to multi year lows, in June 2002 it was at 54, recently it dipped below 17 and into the lower 16 point range. To show you how irrational this is if one looks at a chart you will see we just made a new 5 year low. At the height of the biggest mania ever ( 99 peak of dot.com era) we did not dip to such low levels, clearly insanity is in the driving seat. We have to go back 6 years to find a point in time where we were below such levels, and we find that year was 1998, when we briefly dipped to levels lower than these ( look at chart below). However that was a different era, jobs were easy to get, corporate spending was uncontrolled, and the air was filled with great expectations. Fast forward to today, jobs are hard to come by, over 3 million have been lost in the manufacturing sector and the situation is going to get worse, thousands of more jobs lost permanently in the high tech sector, no hiring relief in sight, very few companies talking about a brighter future, we have no surplus anymore, we are running huge budget deficits that will only get worse. The dollar is extremely weak. The probability of another major war somewhere in the Middle East or with N. Korea looms in the horizon. The possibility that the Asian countries will dump their dollar reserves and switch to gold or the euro or a mix of the two, this alone would have untold negative ramifications that could rock this so called weak economic recovery to the stone age and the list goes on and on.
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If one starts to look for positive news, one has to hunt very deep and actually stop thinking in a sane manner, you need to start thinking like someone who has just escaped from a lunatic asylum to be able to find any sane reasons to have faith in this economy or market,( however sanity has not made to many people rich but that is a point for another day). The only argument one can come up with is that, we needed to see some sort of rally in this market after everyone was on the negative gloom and doom bandwagon as a contrarian you knew that the market had to put in a temporary bottom and rally as the negativity had reached incredible levels by October 2002, however this has long since ceased to be a technical rally and has actually become a rally with intermediate bullish implications. One cannot use the argument that earnings are getting better because that is like the kettle calling the pot black. Earning have ratcheted down so much that it makes no sense to do any comparison, every quarter the analysts keep adjusting the earnings, usually in a downward direction to such a point that it is virtually impossible for most companies not to exceed these lowered earnings estimates. Lets try to do that in college, lower down the % ones needs to to get an A, from maintaining an 90% average to 65% and soon you will have almost every idiot strutting around calling himself an A student. Take it one step further, to fall into the wealthy bracket you only need to make 20,000, at this point almost no one will be able to call themselves poor anymore and welfare will almost cease to exist. You get the point.
To literally find any good news you have to hunt for it, while if you are looking for bad news and this bad news that is factually correct, there is an endless supply of it, yet like ostriches who have decided to bury their heads in the sand, the masses have virtually ignored all the recent volley of bad news and chosen instead to focus on the minuscule amounts of good data out there.
Even for seasoned traders, top notch market watchers and writers these last 3 months have been nothing short of puzzling, I sincerely doubt there is any trader or analyst or newsletter writer that can comprehend the markets persistence to march forward. The problem is not that we are in a bullish phase now, that is fine the trend reveals that, what the problem is that even in a healthy bull market you never get such stupendous advance without some healthy pull back we have virtually gone from 7400-9800 without one serious pull back. This rise is one for the record books, if we were back in the 1990’s era this would somehow be justifiable but we are not. Even we have been hit with the few puts plays we have taken, we did not load up on puts or get to aggressive, because we started sensing some anomaly that we could not quite place our hands on, but it was there, and so as a precaution we abstained from becoming to bearish, and recently with the our new tool esoteric cycles it has helped us avoid taking many a short position that looked perfect technically but would have ended disastrously had we taken those positions.
I don’t mind saying that all of us at the tactical investor, the few individuals involved in research are completely perplexed at how this market simply refuses to give in and we have to rely on our new tools and this so called new paradigm where we rise on bad news, with no good news anywhere in sight, a phenomenon which is beyond contrarian investing the only term I can come up with is insane investing.
This would be a good contrarian view point if the we were rising on bad news but the worst was behind us, but that does not appear to be the case, in an economic recovery one main ingredient is key, companies stop firing and actually slowly start hiring but here the corporate firing squad is busy increasing their supply of bullets and trading in their rifles for machine guns. Without new jobs you cannot have sustained economic growth, if your earnings are simply improving as a result of better cost cutting methods, than that is not economic recovery that is called desperation, you are fighting to say alive and recovery is very very far away.
What is my point here? it is very simple I agree with all you that are writing in and sending me stories with bad news and I also agree when you tell me all your technical indicators are screaming sell and suggesting that we should crash and I agree with you that market should pull back, crash yes but not right now. However I cannot and will not start to scream like a bear when everything around looks and sounds bullish even though it is from an insane perspective and then you have the other camp that which is primarily composed of Experienced traders and professional newsletter writers that are extremely bearish. we have two extremes sentiment readings occurring simultaneously.
. Lets take a second to reflect on these points, If we at the tactical investor had maintained nothing but a bearish stance, and taken huge short positions where would we be now, that’s right slaughtered like pigs. Wall street is lined with graves of people who were right but right to early. We have not changed our stance that this is market will one day crash very severely but it wont be doing so right now. However as I mentioned before we are surprised that there has not been any decent correction what so ever.
It is for that reason that we have been looking to use this market to our advantage, rather than force the market to cater to our needs, we have decided to look for opportunities that we can live with, that are contrarian in nature and that will pass our technical tests and it is for that reason we have been taking more and more long positions, but they are in extremely oversold sectors or in sectors that are already performing well but one or two stocks have been getting hammered and have reached mouthwatering levels where the risk to reward ratio is favorable, simply shorting stocks or using put options or going short via a futures for any length of time has been extremely dangerous.
There is something very abnormal in this current market and till it returns to some sort of normality, it seems most TA indicators are not going to be use full as they once were. When in doubt sit out that is my motto. Sometimes the best thing to do in market is be patient and that’s what we are going to have to do here. Instead of trying to force the market down lets simply invest in sectors or stocks that are extremely oversold and make a good contrarian play. Or if you are conservative then wait for a decent correction to transpire before taking new positions. As we all know when playing with the markets the saying no pain no gain has never been truer.
I will end with this, I believe the market should correct. For the last month or so we have been rising on lower than average volume and so I think we are either at or close to a short term top, however this correction is just going to be brief, before the market carries on rallying. As of right now I don’t see us going below 8800, most likely the 9000 range won’t be breached. These above scenarios should hold unless we have some catastrophic event take place, and that is beyond all timing systems. I believe this decline will provide many of us a with very good stock plays and some spectacular call options.
[Edit] @qwerty, et al -- dotti, 23:21:49 10/26/03 Sun
"if people can't comprehend the larger con job then the sovereignty of this country is certainly finished"
qwerty, thanks for your post. You're probably right. I know that politics is rigged, but I still think of elections as being "free". I find more to like on the Republican side than on the Democrat side--but you're right--it doesn't relly matter. Pretty depressing thought.
Unfortunately, I don't think that there is any way that "we, the people" will ever regain the control of this nation--or any other. For that to happen would
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