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Subject: Okay so there was one out of the last 9 crowned under this leadership. But let's not ignore the fact that raising CMN $$$ selling ad pages and bringing in sponsors is not a factor in this state pageant. Don't forget you have the other 10-15 teen and miss contestants that also bring in big $$$. A serious competitor will tell you it matters. Author: No name [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: Monday, July 22, 12:58:20pm In reply to: 's message, "To clarify: Davia got in miracle maker top 5 at MAO, but she was not there at Miss SC, nor was she in Quality of Life or any of those other side awards which goes to show it wasn’t relevant." on Sunday, July 21, 11:35:34pm >>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below >>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9, >>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with >highest >>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges. Example: >>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG and >>>weak/averg talent--interview 25% 10+10+10=30×2.0=60 >>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15% >>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5 total >>>prelim points=223.5 >>> >>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong >>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36 >>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG >>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235 >>> >>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If girl >1 >>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it >>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the top >>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops her >>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point >>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5) >>> >>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim >>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each >>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall >prelim >>>performance is given. The judge should stay >consistent >>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant when >>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this >>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is 25% >>>of the score. >>> >>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible >>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in >>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of >the >>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim >winner >>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the 4 >>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show, >>>recording and airing this meeting would get them huge >>>ratings) >>> >>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite >>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than >girl >>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2 >based >>>on assigned composite score before final competition >>>even starts. This is why so many say the competition >>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he >>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you >>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you >>>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring >>>because you were so impressive in interview and your >>>speaking ability on stage. >>> >>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a >>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not >score >>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will need >>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone >>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not likely >>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1 would >>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1 >in >>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the >>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5. >>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one >>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed >>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10 >>>after one category and move into the top 10. >>> >>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI >>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total final >>>score 250 >>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI >>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final >>>score 225.5 >>> >>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 fell >>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to >>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are >>>given a final question that is not scored but viewed >>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. Judges >>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points to >5 >>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel is >>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC. >>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split among >>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can come >>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying consistent >>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are >>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes to >>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here >and >>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play >>>with numbers for final ballot and this final >thought. >>> >>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and >most >>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by >>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are given >>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on a >>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has for >>>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker. >>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a >>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner in >>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most ad >>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for >>>miracle maker. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Correct candidates are told to even have a shot at the crown they need to sale at LEAST 9 ad pages. Which is an irony in it self, because many need sponsors to help with the over the top cost with pageant feeds and expenses! Believe it or not many do need the scholarship money verses majority of the top 5 having not a care in the world but a social status. So, these girls never get to use the money and it STAYS within the MSCO. Author: No name [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Monday, July 22, 01:29:58pm >>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below >>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9, >>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with >>highest >>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges. >Example: >>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG and >>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25% 10+10+10=30×2.0=60 >>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15% >>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5 >total >>>>prelim points=223.5 >>>> >>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong >>>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36 >>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG >>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235 >>>> >>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If girl >>1 >>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it >>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the top >>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops >her >>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point >>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5) >>>> >>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim >>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each >>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall >>prelim >>>>performance is given. The judge should stay >>consistent >>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant when >>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this >>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is >25% >>>>of the score. >>>> >>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible >>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in >>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of >>the >>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim >>winner >>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the 4 >>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show, >>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them >huge >>>>ratings) >>>> >>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite >>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than >>girl >>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2 >>based >>>>on assigned composite score before final competition >>>>even starts. This is why so many say the competition >>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he >>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you >>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you >>>>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring >>>>because you were so impressive in interview and your >>>>speaking ability on stage. >>>> >>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a >>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not >>score >>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will need >>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone >>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not likely >>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1 >would >>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1 >>in >>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the >>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5. >>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one >>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed >>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10 >>>>after one category and move into the top 10. >>>> >>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI >>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total >final >>>>score 250 >>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI >>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final >>>>score 225.5 >>>> >>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 fell >>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to >>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are >>>>given a final question that is not scored but viewed >>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. Judges >>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points to >>5 >>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel is >>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC. >>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split among >>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can >come >>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying >consistent >>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are >>>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes >to >>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here >>and >>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play >>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final >>thought. >>>> >>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and >>most >>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by >>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are given >>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on >a >>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has >for >>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker. >>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a >>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner in >>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most >ad >>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for >>>>miracle maker. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Ok as someone who competed and did fairly well I was never told to raise a certain number of ad pages, and I was never told about anything I should do to win. I did it because I wanted the judges to see I was prepared for the job and what came along with it whether that be obtaining sponsors for the organization, raising CMNH money, or being involved with my platform. Everything I did was so the judges would see me more, including in ad pages. Author: No name [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Monday, July 22, 11:18:29pm >>>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below >>>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9, >>>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with >>>highest >>>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges. >>Example: >>>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG >and >>>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25% >10+10+10=30×2.0=60 >>>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15% >>>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5 >>total >>>>>prelim points=223.5 >>>>> >>>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong >>>>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36 >>>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG >>>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235 >>>>> >>>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If >girl >>>1 >>>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it >>>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the >top >>>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops >>her >>>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point >>>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5) >>>>> >>>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim >>>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each >>>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall >>>prelim >>>>>performance is given. The judge should stay >>>consistent >>>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant >when >>>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this >>>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is >>25% >>>>>of the score. >>>>> >>>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible >>>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in >>>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of >>>the >>>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim >>>winner >>>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the >4 >>>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show, >>>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them >>huge >>>>>ratings) >>>>> >>>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite >>>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than >>>girl >>>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2 >>>based >>>>>on assigned composite score before final >competition >>>>>even starts. This is why so many say the >competition >>>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he >>>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you >>>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you >>>>>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring >>>>>because you were so impressive in interview and >your >>>>>speaking ability on stage. >>>>> >>>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a >>>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not >>>score >>>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will >need >>>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone >>>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not >likely >>>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1 >>would >>>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1 >>>in >>>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the >>>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5. >>>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one >>>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed >>>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10 >>>>>after one category and move into the top 10. >>>>> >>>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI >>>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total >>final >>>>>score 250 >>>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI >>>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final >>>>>score 225.5 >>>>> >>>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 >fell >>>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to >>>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are >>>>>given a final question that is not scored but >viewed >>>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. >Judges >>>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points >to >>>5 >>>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel >is >>>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC. >>>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split >among >>>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can >>come >>>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying >>consistent >>>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are >>>>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes >>to >>>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here >>>and >>>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play >>>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final >>>thought. >>>>> >>>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and >>>most >>>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by >>>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are >given >>>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on >>a >>>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has >>for >>>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker. >>>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a >>>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner >in >>>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most >>ad >>>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for >>>>>miracle maker. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Ok as someone who competed and did fairly well I was never told to raise a certain number of ad pages, and I was never told about anything I should do to win. I did it because I wanted the judges to see I was prepared for the job and what came along with it whether that be obtaining sponsors for the organization, raising CMNH money, or being involved with my platform. Everything I did was so the judges would see me more, including in ad pages. - I believe you, but there's a difference with MSCO thinking you would do fairly well and WINNING, or just using other candidates for their personality agenda. But this has been a rumor for years so this not a surprise. Maybe you wasn't personally told that but doesn't mean many were not! Author: No name [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, July 23, 08:48:59am >>>>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 >below >>>>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9, >>>>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with >>>>highest >>>>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges. >>>Example: >>>>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG >>and >>>>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25% >>10+10+10=30×2.0=60 >>>>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15% >>>>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5 >>>total >>>>>>prelim points=223.5 >>>>>> >>>>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong >>>>>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36 >>>>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG >>>>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235 >>>>>> >>>>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If >>girl >>>>1 >>>>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, >it >>>>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the >>top >>>>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops >>>her >>>>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 >point >>>>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5) >>>>>> >>>>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim >>>>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from >each >>>>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall >>>>prelim >>>>>>performance is given. The judge should stay >>>>consistent >>>>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant >>when >>>>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in >this >>>>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is >>>25% >>>>>>of the score. >>>>>> >>>>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is >possible >>>>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher >in >>>>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of >>>>the >>>>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim >>>>winner >>>>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the >>4 >>>>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show, >>>>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them >>>huge >>>>>>ratings) >>>>>> >>>>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite >>>>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than >>>>girl >>>>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2 >>>>based >>>>>>on assigned composite score before final >>competition >>>>>>even starts. This is why so many say the >>competition >>>>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and >he >>>>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically >you >>>>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you >>>>>>might move ahead just as above in composite >scoring >>>>>>because you were so impressive in interview and >>your >>>>>>speaking ability on stage. >>>>>> >>>>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a >>>>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not >>>>score >>>>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will >>need >>>>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or >anyone >>>>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not >>likely >>>>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1 >>>would >>>>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl >1 >>>>in >>>>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the >>>>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5. >>>>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one >>>>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed >>>>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10 >>>>>>after one category and move into the top 10. >>>>>> >>>>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI >>>>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total >>>final >>>>>>score 250 >>>>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI >>>>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total >final >>>>>>score 225.5 >>>>>> >>>>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 >>fell >>>>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to >>>>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls >are >>>>>>given a final question that is not scored but >>viewed >>>>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. >>Judges >>>>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points >>to >>>>5 >>>>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel >>is >>>>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss >SC. >>>>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split >>among >>>>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can >>>come >>>>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying >>>consistent >>>>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are >>>>>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes >>>to >>>>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here >>>>and >>>>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play >>>>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final >>>>thought. >>>>>> >>>>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and >>>>most >>>>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by >>>>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are >>given >>>>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect >on >>>a >>>>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has >>>for >>>>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle >Maker. >>>>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays >a >>>>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner >>in >>>>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most >>>ad >>>>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 >for >>>>>>miracle maker. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]