| Subject: Re: Ok as someone who competed and did fairly well I was never told to raise a certain number of ad pages, and I was never told about anything I should do to win. I did it because I wanted the judges to see I was prepared for the job and what came along with it whether that be obtaining sponsors for the organization, raising CMNH money, or being involved with my platform. Everything I did was so the judges would see me more, including in ad pages. - I believe you, but there's a difference with MSCO thinking you would do fairly well and WINNING, or just using other candidates for their personality agenda. But this has been a rumor for years so this not a surprise. Maybe you wasn't personally told that but doesn't mean many were not! |
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Date Posted: Tuesday, July 23, 08:48:59am
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's message, "Ok as someone who competed and did fairly well I was never told to raise a certain number of ad pages, and I was never told about anything I should do to win. I did it because I wanted the judges to see I was prepared for the job and what came along with it whether that be obtaining sponsors for the organization, raising CMNH money, or being involved with my platform. Everything I did was so the judges would see me more, including in ad pages." on Monday, July 22, 11:18:29pm
>>>>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3
>below
>>>>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>>>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with
>>>>highest
>>>>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges.
>>>Example:
>>>>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG
>>and
>>>>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25%
>>10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>>>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>>>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5
>>>total
>>>>>>prelim points=223.5
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>>>>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>>>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>>>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If
>>girl
>>>>1
>>>>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent,
>it
>>>>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the
>>top
>>>>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops
>>>her
>>>>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200
>point
>>>>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>>>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from
>each
>>>>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall
>>>>prelim
>>>>>>performance is given. The judge should stay
>>>>consistent
>>>>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant
>>when
>>>>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in
>this
>>>>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is
>>>25%
>>>>>>of the score.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is
>possible
>>>>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher
>in
>>>>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of
>>>>the
>>>>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim
>>>>winner
>>>>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the
>>4
>>>>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>>>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them
>>>huge
>>>>>>ratings)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>>>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than
>>>>girl
>>>>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2
>>>>based
>>>>>>on assigned composite score before final
>>competition
>>>>>>even starts. This is why so many say the
>>competition
>>>>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and
>he
>>>>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically
>you
>>>>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>>>>>might move ahead just as above in composite
>scoring
>>>>>>because you were so impressive in interview and
>>your
>>>>>>speaking ability on stage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>>>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not
>>>>score
>>>>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will
>>need
>>>>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or
>anyone
>>>>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not
>>likely
>>>>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1
>>>would
>>>>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl
>1
>>>>in
>>>>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>>>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>>>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>>>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>>>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>>>>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>>>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total
>>>final
>>>>>>score 250
>>>>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>>>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total
>final
>>>>>>score 225.5
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2
>>fell
>>>>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>>>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls
>are
>>>>>>given a final question that is not scored but
>>viewed
>>>>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot.
>>Judges
>>>>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points
>>to
>>>>5
>>>>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel
>>is
>>>>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss
>SC.
>>>>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split
>>among
>>>>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can
>>>come
>>>>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying
>>>consistent
>>>>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>>>>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes
>>>to
>>>>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here
>>>>and
>>>>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>>>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final
>>>>thought.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and
>>>>most
>>>>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>>>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are
>>given
>>>>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect
>on
>>>a
>>>>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has
>>>for
>>>>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle
>Maker.
>>>>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays
>a
>>>>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner
>>in
>>>>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most
>>>ad
>>>>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5
>for
>>>>>>miracle maker.
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