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Date Posted: 22:21:16 11/05/06 Sun
Author: Beverly
Subject: Compared to gliders, flyers have a much easier diet. I think ...
In reply to: S. K. Dixon 's message, "Re: Vitamins and Supplements?" on 18:49:46 11/05/06 Sun

(Compared to gliders, flyers have a much easier diet. I think ...) sticking to the 'KISS' menu works best (Keep It Simple, Sweetheart). I give my flyers plenty of hazelnuts, in the shell -- both for the tooth care, and for the pleasure of hiding them throughout the room). They get sunflower and pumpkin seeds, pine nuts, hard corn. They get fruit nightly -- usually apple, pear, berries, grapes. Not all of them each night -- just whatever I had that day, myself. They get sugar snap peas in the pod, broccoli, cauliflower, carrots (I usually get these at the stupidmarket's salad bar ...). I have a calcium block (shaped like an ear of corn, and found in the pet stores near the rabbit/gerbil 'stuff') and a mineralised salt block in their habitat -- they rarely use them. I use L&M Animal Farms Liquid Daily Multivitamin, formulated for mammals (it's the same formula whether sold in the ferret, rabbit or gerbil 'bottle label'), and give it in the mouse/gerbil dose -- one drop per ounce or two of water. In season, they get maple seeds, acorns, and tree buds (maple flowers and oak buds are especially favoured ...). I give them cultivated mushrooms, because I don't think all wild mushrooms are a good thing, and I think in a domesticated situation, flyers might be more likely to try things that really are not good for them. I find that my flyers stay reasonably fit and trim, although the older three (Mike Robe, Atom and Iota) are on the plump side. It's possible they have fatty tumors -- or, they just have fat deposits. Mike Robe is now in his 9th year, and I think that being a bit plump is likely from nuts and corn. Because he's quite active, I don't worry too much about the fat. I recently heard, on NPR, that studies show that an extremely low calorie diet can add 10 years to a human's life -- but I'll be just as happy to die at 80, as at 90 -- and more so if going at 90 means I had to give up Haagen Dazs all my adudlt life. (The study began with chimps. TV also reported on this study, and they showed photos of two chimps, equal age. The chimp on a very low calorie diet was thinner, and they said healthier, than the heavier chimp. But I gotta tell ya, neither chimp looked especially happy ....) I feel the same way about my flyers. I think they might not live to see 20 years -- but I think they have a pretty happy life, and enjoy their nuts.

>Rain IS lucky to have you, Connie--because you love
>her and care for her and do a super job of both!!!
>Now, as to vitamins--I use the LM Animal Farms for
>Hampsters and Gerbils, l drop per ounce of water; and
>they get fresh water with vitamins every day. Since
>they are not available close to where I live, I just
>order them from Petco; they are shipped quickly and I
>have them in just a few days. I also keep a salt
>wheel in the cage as well as a mineral block and
>cuttlebone. Don't see them using those often but it
>is there if they need it, and they tend to know when
>that is. Now, Agnes/Cruella has raised gliders for
>years, so I hope she sees this post and responds
>because I am clueless on them!
>
>
>
>>Wrong person here; everything I have learned has been
>>on this forum and some books. Rain is lucky to have
>>survived her 1st year w/me! Thank Heavens she is
>>healthy and very forgiving of my ignorance!! I do
>>still want to get the Vits. you add to water, but when
>>I ask around here, they look at me like I'm nuts!!
>>Salt?. I heard I should make it available, like salt
>>and minerals for horses.? Sugar Gliders? They are
>>from Aust. right? That's all I know!! Sorry!>>Maybe
>>I was using too much Repti-Cal....how much
>>>should she have?I didnt know they needed
>salt....there
>>>are several websites concerning the care of FS,and
>>>some of them contradict each other,so I dont know
>what
>>>to do!But the people on this board seem, to me at
>>>least,pretty knowledgeable,so I will take your
>>>advice....I had heard that they should NOT eat
>>>salt........When I go into a pet store,I am hesitant
>>>to say what I am looking for,because FS are verboten
>>>here...
>>>I understand that they are legal in NJ and since I
>>>have relatives down there,I was considering visiting
>a
>>>pet store that I had heard about in Brick,NJ in the
>>>spring....I would like to get another flyer....maybe
>a
>>>male so we can have babies.......But I wouldnt do
>that
>>>untill and unless I am comfortable knowing that I
>know
>>>what I am doing or know someone who does.........a
>>>neighbor of mine is apprenticing with a licensed
>>>Wildlife rehabber and I asked if she could ask him if
>>>I could go too-I have already taken the classes,but
>it
>>>has been a few years...........I just want to know
>all
>>>I can cause I would really hate myself if I did
>>>something stupid that caused the death or injury to
>>>ANY animal........
>>>Oh! Do you know if FS have the same dietary needs as
>>>Sugar Gliders....I think they inhabit different parts
>>>of the world,so I would think their diets would be
>>>very different...and SG are marsupials and FS are
>>>rodents.....What do you think?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Rain loves her mirror also! [primping and such in
>>>>front of it!] I also use the Repti-cal powder w/D
>>>>added. I am not real happy w/this but it was all I
>>>>could find! I rub it on her apple slice everynight
>>>>and check to make sure she has eaten most of it the
>>>>next morning [she ussually has] Rain gets her nut
>>>>mixture plus [always] veggies, apple slice and
>orange
>>>>slice plus a grape everynight. I clean out the
>>>>leftovers the next morning before work and while she
>>>>is sleeping!! I also keep a salt and mineral block
>>>>available at all times.. These she ussually uses as
>>>>"things to climb on" but at least they are there if
>>>>she wants them. Mine is not a fussy eater at all!
>>I
>>>>even give her a drop of soy milk, acorns,
>dandelions,
>>>>clover, what ever; If I see the Grays eating it I
>>try
>>>>it.I'm concerned that Squiggy isnt getting the
>>>>nutrition
>>>>>she needs-she's pretty picky.She loves green grapes
>>>>>the most...Every night I give her a large
>assortment
>>>>>of fruits and veggies,but she leaves most of them
>>>>>uneaten....How much exactly should she be
>>>>>consuming?She pretty much leaves the dry food
>>>>>alone....Sometimes eats a few nuts and sunflower
>>>>>seeds....I bought repti-cal to sprinkle on her
>>>>>food,but then she wont touch it at all.........I
>>>tried
>>>>>mealworms...wont touch them,either........I'm
>afraid
>>>>>she isnt getting enough protein...I tried hard
>>boiled
>>>>>egg and chicken....yuk!
>>>>>Anyway,I was looking at Exoticnutrition.com and
>they
>>>>>have foods and supplements,but I am not sure what
>to
>>>>>get as nothing seems to be made expressly for
>>>>>Flyers...Would Sugar Glider food be acceptable?They
>>>>>have Glider-Cal which has no phospherous...does she
>>>>>need that?..There are vitamins for Gliders as
>>>>>well....Would those be okay for Flyers?There is
>also
>>>>>something called Calcimize which is supposed to
>>>remove
>>>>>chlorine and heavy metals from the water AND add
>>>>>calcium..I have well water,there is no chlorine in
>>>>>it,but we have a water softener that uses potasium
>>>>>chloride....will that harm her?Should i maybe be
>>>using
>>>>>bottled water?
>>>>>Are all flyers such picky eaters?
>>>>>By the way,she loves to play in her water
>dish...She
>>>>>immerses first her front half in the dish,splashing
>>>>>with her front legs as if she were swimming...then
>>>she
>>>>>drapes herself across the dish and gets her belly
>>>>>wet....she will use the water to wash
>>herself.....she
>>>>>is one clean squirrely!!It seems she is always
>>>>>grooming herself!She was sitting on my arm last
>>night
>>>>>grooming away,so intent on the job that she fell
>>>off!!
>>>>>I had to laugh........
>>>>>The dish is really very small and shallow....I was
>>>>>afraid to get a bigger one,thinking she might
>>>>>drown...but I'm wondering if I should get a larger
>>>one
>>>>>so she can get her whole body in it and play till
>>her
>>>>>heart's content....but I was thinking she might get
>>a
>>>>>chill........Do all Flyers love the water?
>>>>>I'd like to get her started on supplements asap,as
>>>>>I've had her for 2 months now and I sure dont want
>>>her
>>>>>to get sick...........As I've said,I did try the
>>>>>Repti-Cal,but she refuses to touch her food with
>>that
>>>>>stuff on it.....It doesnt seem she eats enough to
>>get
>>>>>all the vitamins she needs.............I think she
>>>>>must be very concerned with her "figure".......I
>>have
>>>>>one of those plastic bird mirrors with a bell on
>the
>>>>>bottom and she is always checking out her
>>>>>reflection...........haha....

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