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Date Posted: 04:36:04 12/01/08 Mon
Author: BERTHA
Subject: League's Best OOC win this year

I think Lafayette over Liberty was it. I cannot include any wins over Ivies as being that spectacular. Fordham beat URI but Rhode Island is bad this year. Bucknell beat Duquesne which is a nice win for them but Duquesne has not been good for awhile. Colgate beat a weak Coastal Carolina team.
In my most humble opinion, Holy Cross was the best team in the league by far and their misfortunate fall to Colgate set up this Saturday's embarrassment to the league.

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[> Re: League's Best OOC win this year -- cr, 17:38:41 12/01/08 Mon

Gee that's great. Enjoy that 5-6 record.

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[> [> Re: League's Best OOC win this year -- Go Lehigh TU Owl, 22:16:24 12/01/08 Mon

Lehigh played Umass in 1998 not 1993. Had they played in 1993 the result might have been worse than anything Colgate has done. Lehigh lost 77-14 to Idaho and 62-21 to Delaware during their PL championship run that year.

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[> 35 years ago today... and Colgate deficits are how big? -- BERTHA, 18:54:42 12/01/08 Mon

What have their big games been... 45-0 and 55-28 (and as all noted, not as close as the score indicated?)
Is that an average of a 36-point loss?
Courtesy of today's Allentown paper's FLASHBACK section...
35 years ago today, Lehigh made its first postseason appearance in football and lost 25-16 to Western Kentucky, giving up a 10-pint lead. Sorry a few too many pints. 10-point lead.
More recently, 15 years ago Friday, Lehigh's perfect season crashed to an end against UMass, 27-21 in the 1AA quarterfinal. UMass won the title.

SPEED LIMIT 45, Colgate 0, is that the score from 2003?

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[> Re: League's Best OOC win this year -- luftball1977, 05:31:15 12/02/08 Tue

Colgate was the 4th best team in the league this season. They won with smoke and mirrors. Thats a horrendous team and an awful embarrassing beating for the league. They suck!

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[> [> Re: League's Best OOC win this year -- cr, 06:04:34 12/02/08 Tue

5-6. That means a losing season does it not. Long winter for the Brown and White.

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[> Re: League's Best OOC win this year -- LFN, 08:11:16 12/02/08 Tue

If you're looking at good OOC wins, I agree they are few and far between. However, you have to count Holy Cross' 41-34 win over the Ivy League paper champion (Brown, who was 6-1 in the Ivy and 7-3 overall) as up there as well. And though it won't be popular on this board, I'd also put "that school in Easton's" 24-17 win over Penn in the same category, too.

This 2008 PL season was downright strange in retrospect. Fordham's inconsistency - beating Yale and URI (both good OOC wins, by the way), but losing to Dayton and Bucknell to finish 5-6? Colgate losing bad to Stony Brook and Furman and needing a miracle to beat Coastal Carolina, but they win the league? "Easton Tech" being world-beaters in September and October and colapsing down the stretch to 7-4? Inconsistency seemed to be the norm - from all five contenders (and I still include Lehigh in this list).

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[> Re: League's Best OOC win this year -- gate alum, 18:18:43 12/03/08 Wed

When discussing Fordham, why does nobody mention that it is possibly their tough loss to the gate which put them in their downward slide? Just a thought, considering they were up pretty big on us, and then we made a comeback in which our players completely dominated theirs. (I live in NYC and was able to go to that game and after the first quarter it was not even close.)

Also, how can people say that Gate was the fourth best team in the league? Did you really say that they used "smoke and mirrors?" They beat everybody! They could not have been the fourth best team!

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[> [> Re: League's Best OOC win this year -- gate pretenders, 10:49:16 12/04/08 Thu

Tell me Coach Biddles parents didn't have great forsight in naming their son.

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[> [> [> Colgate 4th best? Perhaps -- sundayamqb, 20:52:05 12/04/08 Thu

I saw Colgate play only once -- against Lehigh -- and am convinced the Engineers had a better team. A one-time, one-point win or loss means squat.

So look at some 2008 Patriot League team rankings: Key offensive and defensive numbers.

Total Offense: Colgate ranked second, behind Holy Cross, largely due to its running game.

Scoring Offense: No. 2 again, behind Holy Cross.

On defense, 'Gate was Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, but mostly Mr. H -- finishing sixth in the league in scoring and total defense.

You don't win championships with such a weak defense unless ...

a) you get a lot of turnovers and ...

b) don't cough up the ball.

Colgate's shaky D was No. 1 in the league in turnover margin: It threw 8 INTs and coughed up only five fumbles, while picking up a league-leading 12 fumbles (Georgetown was second, recovering 11 funbles) and six picks.

With four one-score games over its opponents, Colgate had the fortitude to win. Change the misfortune of a missed extra point or two, a turnover in each game, and Colgate could have finished as badly as Fordham.

Bottom line, the league had some great parity this year: Colgate, Holy Cross, Lehigh and Lafayette were all very evenly matched, with Fordham just a notch below.

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