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Date Posted: 10:46:31 01/21/09 Wed
Author: Question Asker
Subject: AI/ Banding Question

Under the new AI rules each school gets a certain number of athletes at the low band, more at the middle and as many as they want at the high band. Does anyone know how many in each band patriot league football teams are allowed?

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[> Re: AI/ Banding Question -- RichH, 11:04:06 01/21/09 Wed

No set number as I understand it, depends on overall score of recruit class. How that is computed perhaps LFN can expain better than I

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[> Re: AI/ Banding Question -- LFN, 11:26:26 01/21/09 Wed

I talked about this at length in the following blog posting:

http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2008/11/sundays-words-ai.html

The short answer is that there's four bands down to the floor, which is 168 (and is NOT the same as the Ivy League's academic index - important to point this out).

Band I: 5 athletes
Band II: 14 athletes
Band III: 10 athletes
Band IV: 3 athletes

This risks oversimplifying it, though. I'd encourage you to read my original blog posting on this.

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[> [> Re: AI/ Banding Question -- Neighbor, 14:26:02 01/21/09 Wed

LFN,

I just read your A.I explanation at your site. Thank you. I must say, the whole endeavor makes my head spin. Also, it is certainly NOT a guarantee of the desired result.

As a now-retired public school teacher, I must agree with the fourth person to comment on your analysis. Any athlete's high school record is tough to compare with any other athlete and to any league school's expectation of what that record really represents. There is a HUGE difference between expectations at the private school level and at public schools. In some urban districts, like my previous employer, if a student merely BEHAVES in class, he/she can expect to receive a letter grade of at least B. Add in a little class participation and an A is very doable.

"Less concerned" recruiting schools would be wise to restrict their search to inner city high schools. High band kids (wink,wink) are all over the place in those schools. They might not graduate college, but if such a program can get 2-3 good athletic years out of them, so be it. Sad.

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[> [> [> Re: AI/ Banding Question -- LFN, 08:16:25 01/22/09 Thu

I understand what you're saying - that's why the Patriot League doesn't only weigh grades but also national tests like the SAT, which offer a more standardized look across the country. A kid from a school that you're describing with a 3.0 average will have that, but may not have the SAT's to make it into a Patriot League school. Furthermore, the admissions office can (and do, sometimes) also veto the admission - it's not like at, say, Ohio State, where the athletics department has the power to say whether a kid is in or out based on his ability.

The PL is different than the Big 10 or Big East, and the league's structure and AI is there to enforce the difference. I think the AI is a good way to do that.

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[> Question for neighbor -- sundayamqb, 20:33:32 01/21/09 Wed

Neighbor:

I know this might be generalizing, but what was your experience vis a vis public high school vs private school (particularly independent school -- ie. Moravian Academy, Peddie, Blair, etc.) students.

Do you think students from one sector were better prepared academically or ... than the other?

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[> [> Re: Question for neighbor -- Neighbor, 07:02:05 01/22/09 Thu

sundayamqb,

Students in private education settings are vastly better prepared for academic success. They enjoy an entirely different playing field than public education students do.

It would takes pages to illustrate why this is true, but the major reasons include students who have spent their middle and high school careers in smaller class sizes, with well-funded educational materials, among fellow students who read well, and are motivated to match the success of their supportive parents.

The public school education experience faced by BOTH student and teacher is limited by a multitude of problems not found in private education. The bar measuring success in public education is generally much lower in acknowledgment of those problems.

Yes, this type of discussion can only be generalized.

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