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Subject: I Hate HC Basketball Author: VoB [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 13:26:38 01/12/06 Thu I can't stand Holy Cross basketball as a whole. Both programs prance around as if they were the chosen gods of the Patriot League. They remind me a lot of Lehigh football. Their message board is rediculous. They want to talk about how they just killed two teams and Bucknell struggled to beat American....still by 8 points. It is all a joke. Do I think HC could win this weekend... ofcourse ....do I think they will....no. Basketball at this level is about matchups, emotion, and the ability to perform in the clutch. Holy Cross' best win all year has been who exactly...Fordham? Boston U? They want to criticize Bucknell for the Duke blowout loss and for an 8 point win at American.....yet they have losses of (15)Harvard, (22)Cincy, (23)Clemson, (33)George Mason! But I guess that is fine because they blow out a Lafayette team at home who's best game all year was a home win over a 5-9 Cornell team! Or a blowout at Army who has 2 division one wins by a total of 5 points vs. Columbia and VMI...let alone losses to The Citadel and Sacred Heart!!! My point is this Bucknell deserves the respect as the premier team in the Patriot League. They have been getting this from everyone but Holy Cross fans, who are two consumed in themselves to know the game of basketball as it really is. Saturday should be a great game, maybe with a win, we will start earning respect from everybody. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: You are way offbase! Author: bison137 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:12:24 01/12/06 Thu I'm not sure what your agenda is or if you really have any Bucknell affiliation. However, I read the HC board all the time (and often post on it) and I have found most of their posters to be fair-minded and reasonable. Do they root for HC? Of course. Is HC hoops the emphasis of their board? Of course - it is their board! However, I think most of the posters there have great respect for the Bison team and what they have done. Many also recognize that, in the long run, Bison success will help lift up the whole league. Similarly, HC success (such as their NIT win at Notre Dame last year) helps the whole league. BTW, I don't think there was any criticism on their board for us losing badly to Duke and only beating American by 8, your statement notwithstanding. Recently, there was also a large amount of praise on their Board how the Bison players came across on "The Season". As to your analysis of HC, I think you are forgetting that that their two all-league players, Hamilton and Simmons, both dealt with injuries throughout the first six weeks of the season. Plus they lost a key guard (Doherty) due to injury. As of right now, they are a very dangerous team and deserve our respect. A post like yours is just way offbase.

[> Subject: Re: I Hate HC Basketball Author: Hoop Time [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:17:00 01/12/06 Thu Wouldn't Bucknell love to have a fan base as passionate as HC's? It is growing and the enthusiasm has made a leap in the wake of last year, but between the end of the Woollum era and last season, there has been a lot of apathy, despite consistently having a solid team. Are some of the posters on their board letting their purple kool aid cloud their judgement? Sure, and why not. That is their team. But my experience with them has been that they are knowledgable, passionate fans that any team ought to be happy to have. If every team in the league had those types of fans, the league would be a lot stronger in many ways.

[> Subject: Re: I Hate HC Basketball Author: unwired [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:02:54 01/12/06 Thu gotta put my 2 cents in as well. many BU fans as well as fans of other PL schools have figured out that the HC board is the one place you can go to find a constantly updating discussion of PL hoops. the BU board until recently could go weeks without a post, and even now does not begin to compare to the HC board. my point is this, a lot of us figured this out and started posting on the HC board, and the folks over there have been nothing but gracious, and welcoming to us. if they are excited about the prospects of their team possibly beating BU, it is because they should be. they have a good, well coached team that has underachieved this year due to injuries, but now appears to be rounding into form, and they should be excited. i see nothing in the demeanor of the HC fans on their board that warrants your venom.

[> Subject: Re: I Hate HC Basketball Author: HC1843 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:45:26 01/12/06 Thu VoB, The overwhelming majority of HC posters hold Bucknell in high regard. Commenting with no ill intent on Bucknell's game last night is not an attack. Most, if not all, posters consistently state that Bucknell is the class of the PL this year and desserve their spot. We are enjoying the hunt, not attacking your team....they are an excellent team that should they dance, which is very likely, could see themselves in the sweet 16. I think you should reread the posts, as I think you are off base. And I appreciate all the other posters here who acknowledge that our board is not supportive of attacking other squads. Continued good luck in your season, this Saturday withstanding. Cheers.

[> Subject: Re: I Hate HC Basketball Author: jck45 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:54:43 01/12/06 Thu Funny... I used to feel that way about the Zoo Crew (ca. 1998-2000).

[> Subject: Re: I Hate HC Basketball Author: Dan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:55:17 01/12/06 Thu Need to chime in of course. I sense Holy Cross is uncomfortable with no longer being the premier program in the League and that, in a healthy, we support our team way, don't want to let go of their dominance. Remember, 3 close calls in the tourney, League play dominance, scholarships, Ralph Willard, these guys were the toast of the League! What does bother me though is that Holy Cross fans don't give us the props and support we gave them. Bucknell's accomplishments in the last 24 months (this includes scholarships, the nicest arena in the League, all of the big time wins, the tourney win) easily surpasses what Holy Cross achieved when they were dominant. Hey, things are cyclical too. I'm going to go out on a limb now and say the when Jones's kids at American mature, they will be a force in the League and out. All of this being said, the Holy Cross board is actually more informative and more entertaining than this one. Passionate fans........... My opinion? Bucknell University needs to start recognizing this board, encouraging fans to get online, encouraging fans to praise MattB and check out the blog, etc.

[> [> Subject: Re: I Hate HC Basketball Author: Matt B [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:14:39 01/16/06 Mon >My opinion? Bucknell University needs to start recognizing this board, encouraging fans to get online, encouraging fans to praise MattB and check out the blog, etc. I concur. Bucknell fans, feel free to send me praise now. Best, MB

[> Subject: Re: I Hate HC Basketball Author: bison137 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:49:39 01/12/06 Thu >>>My opinion? Bucknell University needs to start recognizing this board, encouraging fans to get online.<<< Agree. But how does anyone from Bucknell (students and alums) even find out that this board exists and also find out that HoopTime exists. Is there a way to get the word out? Bucknell World? Bucknellian? Flyers at game? ?? >>>What does bother me though is that Holy Cross fans don't give us the props and support we gave them. Bucknell's accomplishments in the last 24 months (this includes scholarships, the nicest arena in the League, all of the big time wins, the tourney win) easily surpasses what Holy Cross achieved when they were dominant.<<< Generally disagree. Many on their board have given the Bison many props and support. I could quote dozens of posts in this regard. Also, while last year surpassed anything HC has done in the PL, only the win over Kansas put us over the top. And while this year could be even a better year it's only half over. Remember that HC won the regular season last year and could have easily beaten us in the tournament (which means Kansas would have never happened). Also remember that HC beat Notre Dame in the NIT, and remember that HC came within one or two missed shots of pulling a Kansas-type upset in a couple of NCAA's before we finally broke through. In 2001, they lost to #2 Kentucky by 4, in 2002 they gave #1 Kansas a good game, and in 2003 they lost to #3 Marquette by 4. They didn't beat Pitt or Syracuse, but they did beat Boston College. Are some a bit envious of our success? Sure - just as I was a few years ago of their success. But in general I have seen many occasions where the Bison have been given plenty of credit on their board.

[> [> Subject: Re: I Hate HC Basketball Author: KenZ [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:42:13 01/12/06 Thu >>>My opinion? Bucknell University needs to start recognizing this board, encouraging fans to get online.<<< Agree. But how does anyone from Bucknell (students and alums) even find out that this board exists and also find out that HoopTime exists. Is there a way to get the word out? Bucknell World? Bucknellian? Flyers at game? ?? ----------------------------------------------------- hey HoopTime, here's an idea. why don't you publish a small, say 8 to 10 pages, newspaper style version of HoopTime and put it out at the games. if you think it would garner a broader audience, maybe you could provide a little bit of PSU and some local D2 and D3 coverage as well. heck, you might not even need the website soon. people like me would be willing to pay outrageous amounts, perhaps even as much as the cost of postage to make sure we received every edition.

[> Subject: Re: I Hate HC Basketball Author: Hoop Time [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:21:05 01/12/06 Thu Ken -- That was a flashback wasn't it? I am assuming you are an oldtimer and remember the original version of Hoop Time back in Charlie Woollum's last season and Pat's first. That was exactly what it was back then ... Bucknell, Penn State, Susquehanna, Lycoming and Bloomsburg ... free at the games and local convenience stores and a handful of mail subscribers.

[> [> Subject: Re: I Hate HC Basketball Author: BreakinBison [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:59:10 01/12/06 Thu A '92 - '93 flashback indeed. Nothing quite like reading the paper while they were announcing the lineups during the tourney. Nice picture of Valvano, etc. I think I have one buried in a chest somewhere...

[> [> [> Subject: Re: I Hate HC Basketball Author: Hoop Time [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:09:21 01/13/06 Fri Breakin That was actually a Lewisburg Daily Journal production. It was the popularity of the three special sections we did that season that led me to launch the original Hoop Time.

[> [> Subject: Re: I Hate HC Basketball Author: KenZ [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:09:29 01/13/06 Fri yes i remember HoopTime v1.0. if that is sufficient to make me an oldtimer, then i must be ancient.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: I Hate HC Basketball Author: Ironswim (BU '82) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:15:22 01/13/06 Fri Please don't start the "we don't get respect" nonsense. Its bad enough when it comes from professional athletes. Well-educated alumni and fans of programs with real scholar-athletes should know better. It's a sporting competition. It's not like they're defecating on the flag.

[> Subject: Most HC Alums like Bucknell Bison Author: KY Crusader 75 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:40:57 01/13/06 Fri I'd say 98% of Holy Cross alums wish Bucknell all the best except when it's a Bison-Crusaders game. I really don't see where anyone on our message board has been dissing Bucknell. We do debate whether Bucknell is "levels above" HC or whether Bucknell has a better "program" (as opposed to a better team this year). I think's a healthy, entertaining, respectful debate.

[> [> Subject: Re: Most HC Alums like Bucknell Bison Author: bison137 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:59:48 01/13/06 Fri KY Crusader, I hope you read the posts supporting HC that followed the clueless initial post. 98% of Bison fans agree with you.

[> Subject: Re: I Hate HC Basketball Author: sader1970 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:07:41 01/14/06 Sat The Bucknell fans that regularly post on Crossports know that that they are: 1. welcome on our board with an appreciation for the perspective and insights they bring and 2. though there may be a few examples to the contrary, the vast majority of Crusader fans want to see other Patriot League schools, including Bucknell, do well except when they play Holy Cross. Hopefully, Bucknell fans feel the same way - pride in our league affiliation. When Patriot League teams succeed, it reflects well on all of us. I don't post here often enough to know VoB's angle but is he/she possibly just trying to stir up some discussion?

[> [> Subject: Re: I Hate HC Basketball Author: bison137 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 01:03:55 01/15/06 Sun >>>I don't post here often enough to know VoB's angle but is he/she possibly just trying to stir up some discussion?<<< VoB rarely posts and obviously was trying to stir up trouble. As you can see from the responding posts, it was pretty unanimous that VoB is clueless.

[> [> Subject: Re: I Hate HC Basketball Author: sader1970 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:40:02 01/15/06 Sun 137, you're one of the regular Crossports posters I was referring to that enhance and improve our discussions. Every school in the Patriot League, and all their teams, deserve respect as I noted during the CSTV commercials the reference to, not "student-athletes," but "scholar-athletes" in the Patriot League. Our players actually attend classes, take exams and, most importantly - graduate. So, we should root for our team and have some good-natured ribbing - but with respect. Recognizing there will always be some exceptional cases, the majority show respect for each other. Good luck to the Bucknell basketball team - I hope they win every other game this year except for the ones they play against Holy Cross.

[> Subject: Re: I Hate HC Basketball Author: pjm_hoops [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:19:17 01/18/06 Wed Speaking of old-timers (If being around for the HoopTime1.0 makes me one, then check) - I always thought HC fans gave Bucknell due respect. Until last year, there was no reason for them to think of themselves as anything less than #1, but it was never in-your-face. BU 112, HC 99 in 1993. The start of the rivalry. What a game. That debaucle a week and a half later never happened by the way. Hoop Time - I still have a copy of an old hoop time from the last year of the Woollum era. Good stuff.