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Subject: Do female doctors really need a female chaperone during an exam?


Author:
Rudger
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Date Posted: 18:08:14 10/15/09 Thu
 Do female doctors really need a female chaperone during an physical exam?
What do you think and how do you feel about it?
Does it really matter to you if a chaperone is there or not?
Are you more embarrassed if one is there?
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[> Subject: The Chaperone Situation Defies Logic


Author:
Barbara
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Date Posted: 21:48:51 10/15/09 Thu
In theory, if an examiner wants a chaperone at all, the chaperone should be of the same sex as the patient. In fact, male examiners have female chaperones when they are examining a female patient. Similarly, by the same logic, a female examiner should have a male chaperone when the patient is a male, right?

Only in your dreams would that ever happen. Oddly enough, if a female examiner uses a chaperone with a male patient, the chaperone will be a female. That's the reality of it.

Now to the question at the top if this thread. By this
shaky logic, which has already been proven illogical, a female examiner should not need a chaperone when she is
with a female patient. But they often do have one.
Go figure. It makes no sense, but that's more reality that defies logic.

And yes, I do feel more self-conscious with a chaperone in the room, even if the examiner is male, and even if the chaperone is, as always, female.
[> [> Subject: Re: The Chaperone Situation Defies Logic


Author:
Bob R.
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Date Posted: 00:58:46 10/16/09 Fri
I read on some medical blog a post by a guy saying that the situation you describe of a female nurse chaperoning a female doctor when the doctor examines a male patient is just perfect for a CFNM (clothed female nude male) enthusiast like him -- because he gets to show off to two women, not just one! He went on to say that he had switched from one woman doctor because she did not use a chaperone to one that did! Ain't that something! And I bet that holier-than-thou doctor has no idea of how she and her nurse are playing into his hands. The guy went on to say that he has a whole set of genital-related problems that he brings up during different exams, so that both doctor and nurse have to focus their attention on his penis and testicles for at least part of it. Then he goes home and jerks off.

[> Subject: Re: Do female doctors really need a female chaperone during an exam?


Author:
John J
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Date Posted: 23:29:30 10/15/09 Thu
I've seen both male and female family doctors and dermatologists. The male doctors never have a chaperone. The female doctor I see now always has a female nurse in the room during the genital exam but not for the rest of the exam. I've seen two different female dermatologists and neither have had a chaperone in the room during any of the exam which includes a full skin check.

Oddly enough, the only time I really felt uncomfortable was at a male dermatologist's office. The nurse escorted me to the exam room and said that since I was a new patient she would collect the family and medical history. She said to go ahead and get undressed and have a seat on the table. So I removed my shirt and pants and asked if I should also remove my underware. She said yes and have a seat. So I removed them and sat on the table thinking she would hand me a gown or drape but she didn't. She just started asking the usual questions from the form! Now I'm usually pretty comfortable in any medical situation but in this case she was just standing there with the clipboard asking questions while I'm sitting there in my birthday suite for about 5 minutes.

When she finishes with the questions she takes a good look "down there" and says thank you very much and then hands me a small paper drape and says the doctor will be in to do the exam in a few minutes!

With the other female dermatologists the nurse leaves before I get undressed and leaves the gown on the table. The doctor usually starts from the head and moves down to the waist, then starts from the feet and moves up to the waist. I then am told to stand and everything comes off for the middle part exam.

So, it's kinda strange. The regular female doctor always calls in the nurse during the genital exam and the dermatologist are always alone for the whole thing.
[> [> Subject: Re: Do female doctors really need a female chaperone during an exam?


Author:
jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 04:55:02 10/16/09 Fri
"john" : in your post, the most uncommon situation is when the nurse asked you to remove also your underwear and to stay naked sitting in front of her desk while she was filling a medical form about your family and medical history because it was nonsense as she did not a part of the exam.
I could have understood if she wanted to weigh in you or to check where you had some skin issues to prepare the inspection of the doctor but she did nothing, so it was only for her pleasure to see a naked man or because she was of the "old schools" and had the use to do like that since many years, thinking that the nakedness of a patient, may be particularly a male was normal in the office of a nurse because it was in the medical field?
[> Subject: John J., You Were Had


Author:
Rob
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Date Posted: 07:04:53 10/16/09 Fri
John J., why in the world would the nurse tell you to strip completely then sit there while she asked you all the intake questions? There is no legitimate reason for it.

And to stay in the room while you undressed? Unheard of.

She then gave herself away by giving you the sheet to cover up with AFTER she was finished completing your intake form.

Then the doctor would come in and be under the impression that you were covered the whole time she was with you.

The bottom line is, you were taken advantage of by her,
which you surely realized later, didn't you?
[> [> Subject: Rob you are way out of line!


Author:
Angus
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Date Posted: 17:04:48 10/16/09 Fri
I have had similar situations to John J.'s on two separate occasions. Granted one was about 30 years ago, but that just makes the practice more long standing. Then I was getting some life insurance and the company the insurance company contracted out to did exams by nurses, not doctors (I assume to save money). She had me strip right away and then weighed, measured and asked questions with me fully nude, not even my watch on. After about 10 or 15 minutes of that she began the exam, including watching me pee into a bottle. Complete exam too, including a skin check. More recently an NP at the clinic where I get most of my medical care had me strip for the weigh in and then chatted with me while I was nude. She was young and cute too. Asked questions and did a complete exam while I was nude. Very matter-of-fact in her approach. To be honest, she did a much more thorough exam than the doctor in the practice I usually go to. So it is not all that unusual at all! John's experience was a lot like mine over the years. I guess different people examine differently. And if you want to go way back when I was in the Army I was examined that way too -- naked throughout the exam.
[> [> Subject: Re: John J., You Were Had


Author:
John J.
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Date Posted: 19:14:28 10/16/09 Fri
Well Rob I did think it was somewhat unusual. Taken advantage of? Probably, but at the time I was just going along with the program. She was probably in her thirties and I was at the time just an average mid forties all American male. Average size and shape, nothing spectacular to look at I must admit.

Really I wasn't that embarrassed, like I said, I'm pretty comfortable in medical situations with medical professionals. If she got anything out of getting a good look then it's no big deal to me. I would have been embarrassed if she laughed and pointed, but she really was very cool about the whole thing. Like most guys my age I was taught to preserve modesty whenever possible but also that at the doctor's office all bets (and clothes) are off!

I did decide to to go to a different dermatologist from then on but that was not just because of the "viewing" but also because of the perceived skill of the doctor and the other office staff.

My real question is about the other female dermatologists who never have a chaperone while my regular family doctor always has one for the genital exam. Seems like the medical profession would have more consistent guidelines. Maybe it's an office policy of some sort? Who knows? One would think that since I have been seeing these doctors for several years without incident that they would not feel threatened or intimidated in any way. Either way, it's no big deal to me. The most important thing is to get quality health care.
[> [> [> Subject: Embarrassed Or Not, That's Not The Issue, John J.


Author:
Rob
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Date Posted: 19:37:14 10/16/09 Fri
John J., your embarrassment or non-embarrassment is not really the issue. Don't forget, that nurse did not care one iota how you felt about stripping in front of her and then sitting nude while she filled out your questionaire.

It was fortunate for you that her game did not bother you very much. Can you imagine how most other guys would feel if they found themselves in the spo you were in?

You probably weren't her first "victim", so she had to know that you might be horribly embarrassed by that scene she
put you in. In fact, she might have been both surprised and even disappointed when she saw that you were not red-faced.

The give away was when she put that over you before the doctor came in. Why would she give you the sheet at that point? Probably so the boss wouldn't know what she did.
[> Subject: Re: Do female doctors really need a female chaperone during an exam?


Author:
Rudger
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Date Posted: 14:48:14 10/16/09 Fri
Thanks Barbara!
I would have to agree with you on what you said.
I wonder if female doctors use chaperones with male patients very often kind of like many male doctors don't always use them with male patients but they do with female patients?
I am sure doctors do it for legal reasons be they male or female.
I wonder though, if some enjoy the power they have over the patient and just enjoy the situation some themselves?
It can be very embarrassing. I feel that sometimes that doctors are taught not feel any kind of empathy for the patients that they are to care for.
[> [> Subject: Re: Do female doctors really need a female chaperone during an exam?


Author:
John J.
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Date Posted: 22:15:02 10/18/09 Sun
Rudger, why do you think it is embarrassing to be seen in a medical situation? Never have understood that one. I'm not into CFNM and am definitely not an exhibitionists. I see both male and female doctors as part of my regular health care. Some of the female doctors have female nurses in the room, some don't. I know everyone is different but to me, it's just not a big deal to get examined by a health care professional of the opposite sex.

We all have either male or female parts right? Isn't it logical that most, if not all female health care providers have seen male parts before both in training and in practice? If one were abused as a child or have some sort of mental illness then fine, there might be a reason to be embarrassed but for the vast majority of us that's just not the case.

From what I've read here, there are definitely those with different opinions. That's fine. I just happen to disagree.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Do female doctors really need a female chaperone during an exam?


Author:
Rudger
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Date Posted: 22:01:25 10/19/09 Mon
Hi John J.
I don't have a problem with a female doctor doing an exam on me. I tend to have a problem with an extra person or chaperone in there only to watch.
To me though it is still embarrassing to have to expose myself for an exam if it is a male doctor or female doctor.
That is just the way I am.
If they have a chaperone in there and it is usually female then it kind of makes it a little worse for me.
I am sure I am not the only one that feels that way,but I don't expect everyone to feel that way.
Everyone is different.
[> Subject: Angus, You Misunderstood Me, I Think


Author:
Rob
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Date Posted: 06:09:54 10/18/09 Sun
Angus, you said I was "out of line" when I said the nurse was unjustified in requiring John J to undress completely and stay that way while she asked him chart information.

If she was his examiner, then I agree with you. I was out of line because each examiner has his or her own way of conducting their exams. BUT, she was not the examiner. She was the nurse, just getting information for the examiner.

As I said, she gave herself away when she provided him with a sheet only after she asked the questions for the chart and before the examiner arrived.

Now, if the examiner wanted him nude, that's ok with me, but why in the world would he have to be nude for the nurse who was only filling out his chart?

Please re-read my earlier post and I'm sure you'll see the I was not out of line and that you misunderstood the post when you first read it.
[> [> Subject: Re: Angus, You Misunderstood Me, I Think


Author:
jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 18:03:17 10/20/09 Tue
I agree totally with you "Rob" :

When a nurse asks to a man or a young man or a teenager to strip completly and then asks him only questions about his health, it is obviously without any logical reason.

I am not sure that she is enjoying to see a man naked and I don't forget that all men are not so beautiful that it is always a pleasure to look at their body.

If I was asked by a nurse to undress completely, I will be obedient and strip completly without discussion because I think that she has a good reason, and I don't think that it is so important to be naked in front of a nurse who must be used to see naked men but I think also that it is stupid if it is not necessary.

I think also that if she treats the same way a teenager who is more modest than me,he can be really embarrassed and feels himself humiliated.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Angus, You Misunderstood Me, I Think


Author:
Walt
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Date Posted: 13:06:48 10/21/09 Wed
I currently see a female primary care physician (PCP as my health insurance terms him/her). She is around my age (old enough to be AARP member but not old enough to collect Social Security). She has seen all that I have. My dermatologist is a woman in her 40s. I also had a female emergency room doc who examined ALL of me. No chaperone was present for any of the visits & all within the past 10 years, too.

I do recall one experience in which a 20-something female technician or nurse aide tried to get me to get change into the skimpy backless gown before she did her medical history interview. I declined to do so, citing the cool temp of the room. She objected & I requested the presence of the supervisor before I would comply with her direction to change. She didn't have a good explanation for my question that she explain the medical value/necessity of me being in the gown before it was really necessary. She relented & she did her interview while I remained dressed.

I am assertive when I feel it is necessary but I never forget that I am there to be examined or treated for some medical problem. That's the bottom line we all need to remember.
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