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Subject: Maybe The Nurse Or Aide Is Uncomfortable Alone Author: Leah [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 07:55:37 10/01/09 Thu In reply to: Vera 's message, "Re: Catheterisation experiences" on 01:04:19 10/01/09 Thu There have been a number of posts from patients who had procedures done with a second person just observing. For example, some posters have described being shaved for an operation by a nurse or an aide when out of the blue another nurse or aide dropped by and watched. Maybe the person doing the catheterization or the shave feels uncomfortable doing procedures of that kind alone and wants a colleague to be there. Who can say for sure, but there is no doubt it does happen sometimes. But wouldn't it be more polite if the caregiver doing the procedure asked the patient if another person could observe? [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Maybe The Nurse Or Aide Is Uncomfortable Alone Author: Vera [Edit] Date Posted: 11:13:34 10/01/09 Thu I could be as you describe. It could also be nurses playing games.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Why Would Games Ever Be Necessary? Author: Leah [Edit] Date Posted: 11:34:03 10/01/09 Thu I don't understand why a nurse or aide would need to play games in order to see the sights she wants to see. During the course of her work she would probably be doing some of the procedures anyhow, like inserting catheters, giving baths and showers, and shaving patients for surgery. Given that, why would any nurse or aide have to play games like that in order to be present for these procedures?

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Why Would Games Ever Be Necessary? Author: Vera [Edit] Date Posted: 15:13:43 10/01/09 Thu In case her friend's duties did not include those activities. Or not often enough. Or of a specific type of patient (like young guys). Or of guys at all.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Why Would Games Ever Be Necessary? Author: Angie [Edit] Date Posted: 17:21:02 10/01/09 Thu I have catheterised quite a lot of men, most of them elderly, but a few young ones. I would probably guess the youngest I catheterised was 22. It really isn't a big deal for a nurse. I have alway had a chaperone present and its usually only another female free to help. We do ask consent to catheterise but the two of us come as a package, so the patient just accepts thats the way it is. I suppose it is nice to get a young bloke to catheterise for a change, but who doesnt have the occasional perk in their job in fairness???

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Angie Is Being Honest, But Not Many Are Author: Barry [Edit] Date Posted: 19:00:22 10/01/09 Thu Angie has admitted that the extra aide or nurse who comes in to "help" with an intimate procedure is really a chaperone. Usually, the nurses and aides pretend that the extra girl is there to help with the procedure, but most people have noticed that all the extra person does is stand and watch. My question to Angie is, why do you need chaperone at all? Have any nurses and aides been accused of touching a patient inappropriately? I've never heard of that happening. Women are not generally accused of that the way male doctors are, so it is easy to see what doctors need a chaperone.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Why Would Games Ever Be Necessary? Author: rk [Edit] Date Posted: 20:18:27 10/01/09 Thu "We do ask consent to catheterise but the two of us come as a package" Angie: Do you ask these men if they prefer a male nurse or aide? If a male is available to do the job do you "inform" the man, as in "informed consent?"{ What if a man consents to the procedure but insists on a male to do it? How do you respond?

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Why Would Games Ever Be Necessary? Author: Chris to rk [Edit] Date Posted: 20:37:45 10/01/09 Thu By asking a man if they prefer a male nurse or aide, you're encouraging homosexual behavior which is totally inappropriate in a medical setting.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Why Would Games Ever Be Necessary? Author: old med staff [Edit] Date Posted: 21:27:32 10/01/09 Thu to Chris: then using your logic if a female nurse or aide does it, then you are encouraging heterosexual behavior (sex) which is also totally inappropriate in a medical setting. Therefore, no medical procedures can be done in a medical setting. Guess that is what the new federal health care plan is - no medical procedures can be done in a medical setting.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Why Would Games Ever Be Necessary? Author: Nancy RN [Edit] Date Posted: 02:58:49 10/02/09 Fri "Guess that is what the new federal health care plan is - no medical procedures can be done in a medical setting." New federal health care plan, hell! Where have you been? That is what the current insurance companies make MONEY on -- no medical procedures being done in a medical setting! Wake up!

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Why Would Games Ever Be Necessary? Author: rk [Edit] Date Posted: 14:14:41 10/02/09 Fri "I have catheterised quite a lot of men, most of them elderly, but a few young ones. I would probably guess the youngest I catheterised was 22. It really isn't a big deal for a nurse. I have alway had a chaperone present and its usually only another female free to help. We do ask consent to catheterise but the two of us come as package, so the patient just accepts thats the way it is." I just want to point out something that Angie wrote above. This idea of "the two of us come as a package" is one of those false ideas that men need to understand. "That's the way it is," Angie says. Well, men need to understand that that is not the way it has to be unless you are comfortable with that. People like Angie say things like that to men because it intimidates them. They use their power to control. Their experience has taught them that if you use these techniques most men will at least comply, even if it's unwillingly. Men need to know that they have control to make requests, to negotiate how they will be cared for, to insist on same gender care if they want it. Angie's tell us how they do things in many hospitals. Just because they do it that way and say "That's teh way it is," doesn't mean that's the truth. One more point: Any nurse who can't "catheterise" a patient on his or her own, needs more training. You don't need another nurse to help. And I question whether nurses or cna's like Angie really obtain consent from their patients, real informed consent. Do they tell them that they don't have to agree to a chaperone if they don't wish it? Do they tell them that they have a right to have a same gender chaperone if they wish? Do they tell them that they can request a male nurse if the want? I doubt it. They give the appearance that this is the way it is, the only way it is, and you'd better agree or we won't treat you.