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Subject: You're Right. Ben, It Is Often Younger Girls Who Do It


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Cheryl
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Date Posted: 17:00:50 07/04/09 Sat
In reply to: Carol 's message, ""Unnecessary" Is The Word That Bothers People" on 23:21:45 06/12/09 Fri

Ben has observed that younger aides seem to do a lot of the preps. I wonder why that seems to be true. I also wonder if these young girls also shave female patients. We have not heard from any female patients yet, so we don't know.

It does seem that older nurses consider preps to be drudge work, and if that is true, it would explain why the younger girls are given those jobs.

I wonder if they ever consider the embarrassment factor when assigning who will prep men. If it has to be a woman doing the prep, most men, I am sure, would find a young woman much more embarrasisng than an older nurse. Or don't they even consider patient comfort about who does it?

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[> Subject: Re: "Unnecessary" Is The Word That Bothers People


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rk
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Date Posted: 04:46:02 07/05/09 Sun

Patient comfort is one of the main missions of nursing. Yet it's rationalized away in situations like this. It's psychologically safe for nurses just to assume that men don't mind if they don't speak up. Anyway, there's much work to do and the job just has to be done. So get it done, anyway you can. Nurses don't always have a male nurse available, and when the do they often don't want to bother the male nurse. If they do that too much they may be considered not competent to handle these sensitive situations with male intimate care, which they are expected to do. Nurses are taught that embarrassment is natural and just needs to be dealt with. They are taught or learn on the job strategies that they think mitigate embarrassment. Some of these strategies may work. Some don't. But the problem is that there are no universal strategies for all patients. Each patient is different and needs to be treated as an individual. That takes time, which isn't always available.
And the big problem is male psychology -- men are socialized to just take it, to suck it up, to not complain, to be a big boy and not cry. Be macho. Take it like a man. So many of them do and don't speak up. But they hold their grief and humiliation and embarrassment inside and resent like hell what happened to them. I think this contributes in some way to why men don't seek health care as often as women do. The bedside caregiving aspects of health care are dominated by females. Many men have had bad experiences and don't feel welcome or respected within that system.

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[> [> Subject: The Best Synopsis On This Much-Discussed Topic


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Observer
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Date Posted: 08:55:47 07/05/09 Sun

RK has given us what is easily the best synopsis of the topic that has been discussed over and over right here.

There was never any doubt that a double standard exists.
There was never any doubt that even when males dislike what is going on, they fail to speak up for themselves.

The question was why don't they speak up. RK was right on target when he said that men are socialized to take what is dished out to them or not be considered a real "man". In other words, they are embarrassed to admit embarrassment.

Females in healthcare know this well and take advantage of it, but not to belittle their male patients. No, they take advantage of the male mind-set to simply get their work done as quickly and efficiently as they can. Making the adjustments that would be required if males were shown the deference females are shown would take a lot of time and effort. At least that's what they seem to think, anyhow.

Knowing that, generally speaking, men won't say anything no matter how they feel, the women just go ahead with the job.
And it seems to work for them. Men accept it, but they express their concerns later, when it's too late.

As a thought experiment, just try to imagine what would happen if all the sexes were reversed in a healthcare setting for one day. Male aides, male nurses, male techs, are assigned to female patients for examinations and procedures of all kinds.

How long before the objections and refusals would resound to the highest officials in the facility? If you said about
an hour, you are probably being generous. It would be less time than it took to read this post. Agree? Disagree?

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: The Best Synopsis On This Much-Discussed Topic


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Rebelheart
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Date Posted: 18:30:34 07/05/09 Sun

Q. What do aerobic instructors and people who process bacon have in common?
A. They both tear hams into shreds.

BTW, I'm a free spirit.

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