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Subject: Re: some humor in draft physical


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Alex
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Date Posted: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 02:54: pm
In reply to: Dan 's message, "some humor in draft physical" on Wednesday, June 27, 2012, 06:50: pm

I lived in Ukraine at the time when I was summoned to the draft board commission for a physical exam. At that time boys were subjected to such a thing when they were 16. It was called an introductory/preliminary registration with the draft board. Boys were expected to be drafted to the army when they were 18, so for 2 years prior to your actual draft you were on the files of your local draft board.
I arrived to the draft board along with all the boys of my year at our school. Several schools were summoned on the same day, a huge number. At first, we gathered in a big boardroom where we were explained what all that was about and how it was going to go. We submitted our passports and passport size photos as in the end we were to be issued an official military document which was equal to a photo id.
After all the formalities were done the military and non-military assistants formed groups of boys and took them for physical exam which was to decide whether each of us was healthy enough to go to the army. Although almost nobody wanted to the army, we all wanted to be stamped all clear as otherwise we could end up with a white military id which meant you could not enrol the university to study a number of very popular specialties, medicine for example.
When I was selected, with a group of boys we entered a big hall where we were told to remove all our clothes except underpants. Just wearing the underpants, we lined up in front of the rooms where doctors and nurses of different specialities were waiting for us. Many of the boys in my small Ukrainian town at that time were wearing the same kind of underpants – boxers made of black satin.
But not all the exams were done with the underpants. There was one big room where you removed your underpants. You left them on the bench near the entrance door and then went to a station for body measurements. After all the measurements were done by young nurses, you followed further to a dermatologist and then to a surgeon, all in the same room. After those exams were completed you proceeded to back to the door, put on your underpants and left the room. The room was full of naked boys as there were two pairs of doctors and the body ,measurement station included several points each was occupied at any time. And many of the boys just lined up. In addition, the door was wide open and boys were in front of the door. And medical personnel from the other stations were passing by and could see everything.
Once all the stations were completed we submitted to the commission. We were standing in front of the commission wearing just underpants while the commission included males and females. One of the questions they asked was what kind of military would you prefer.

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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 04:58: am

"Alex" : did you know before that first exam at 16 age how were prerformed the draft physicals by relations of your older classmates or by older brothers or because it was told by the school authorities or related in ukrainian newspapers and well known by all families.

did you expect exactly what happened or were you a little surprised, for instance by the measurements by young nurses if you had never heards about that situation before.

if I have well understood, you were a very lqarge number of boys of 16 age summuned at the same day and hour and so it took a long time to examin all of you which explained that you had to underdress all together in underwears first and then to be naked in a large big room to win time.

it was a common set up of draft phyicals in many countries where thre was a mandatory military service.

I notice that you were mostly wearing a boxer in black satin, it was more protecting that the simple white briefs that was the usual underwear of all male teenagers when I had myself my first physicals for military service in a pre-induction military center in France at 18 age in 1966.

I notice that if you had anways to report in front of the draft board commission with many adult members, you could keep all the time your boxer because you were no more examined by a doctor, only questioned about your wishes for military service.

I can understand that it was nevertheless embarrassing to be only wearing a boxer in front of a lot of persons including some women but it could have been worse if you had been stark naked as it was still the case in France some years before even if there was no women among the members of the draft board commission in France in my experience.

You could have been asked to drop down to ankles your boxer just for a look of the members of the draft board commission on all your body from front and back even without medical reason.

What was the age of the members of the draft board commission and who were them ?
did you have to stand like at attention as it was generally the case during their questions.

Did you were questioned alone in the room of the draft board commission or were you a group of boys lining up and called one by one tpo come in frpont of the draft board commission.

You were talking in the first part of your relation, of military and non military assistants to form groups of boys. Who were these non militazry assistants?
women clerks or male clerks?

did they came with you in the big hall where you were told to remove your clothes except underpants ? and did they were spectators of your examination from station to another station by doctors and nurses?

were they also follow you in the big room where you had to remove your boxer?

in that room, did you notioce if thre was also some military persons dressed in uniforms to supervise during your waiting time?

In your relation, you talked much of medic persons of both genders at least for nurses but less of military persons, it was a difference with my experience of draft physicals in France where thre was many non commissioners officers to supervise us and be spectators of our physicals examination in all stations.

As regards the door which was left opened, I notice that you taliked only of medic persons who could see you naked and lining up in the big room when they passed through the entrance of the door door.

As regards your wish to be declared fit for military service to be able to follow your studies at university, it was the same in many countries. In France,we could not acceed to some jobs without having made our active duty, so it was important to be declared fit to military service in the past at my time of being a draft. It changed a lot several years after even before the end of military service.

I have a last question for today : if you were examined at 16 age but were called for military service only at 18 age or later for students in universities, did you have an other examination which was so thorough each year after , at 17 age and of course at 18 age when you had eventually the age to be called ?

because your fitness could have changed?

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Alex
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Date Posted: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 08:58: am

Jean the frenchie, we knew that it was going to be something special during the draft physicals. At least we saw old soviet movies and documentaries where the draftees were naked. But still we were hoping that was in the old days and not now. Nobody of us boys wanted such experience so that we were shy even to discuss this possibility. When I started my physicals I was kinda relieved as the boys were wearing underwear. Not swimming speedo of course but better than naked as I thought was possible. The personnel who assisted all were adult males. I think there were retired military officers. They took a group of boys from the boardroom and brought them to the section where the medical examinations were held. Inside the hall where we undressed were other assistants. They gave us orders where and how far to undress and where to start with the exams. They also were wandering about the hall and could see what was on in the exam rooms. One assistant tried to stay at the door of the big exam room where we had to undo our underpants so that to make sure we did it straight away once we came in. When he was off, the girls at from the anthropometry station told us to do so. We were free to choose any station to go as long as we eventually submitted to all of them and the last station must be the general physician. After that we lined up to report to the commission. As I said, all the non-military assistants were males. But the doctors were mainly females. Just a psychiatrist and one of the two surgeons and one of the two dermatologists were males. All the nurses were young females, the youngest at the station for the anthropometry. The members of the commission were mixed males and females. In soviet union and I think in Ukraine now such a commission is formed by the chief of the local draft board – an officer, his deputies – also officers, head of the medical board – most experienced doctor, usually female, and several representatives from local council and other local authorities, as well the police and even the prosecutor office. We reported to the commission one by one, not in a group. When you come in you declare your name and a couple of formal phases. They greet you and start asking questions about you, your life, social activities you were involved, your interests and hobbies. Personally I felt very awkward to give answers standing before those people almost naked. In the end they asked me in which army forces I’d prefer to serve. I do not remember what I said as I was not keen to find myself in the army at all. I was a good student and a university was most likely for me rather than the army. Once you completed your med examination at 16 years old you were left for some time. If you were lucky enough or hard working so that you continued to a university after school, then you were spared from the army, especially if there was a military training at the university. Otherwise, once you’ve turned 18, you would be called for another, final medical draft examination and thereafter you would be recruited to the army for 2 years. Very rarely post graduate boys were recruited if they did not do a military training at university. When I was a 4th year student, a new law was introduced according to which university students of 2nd and 3rd years could be taken to the army for 2 years. After dismissal they continued their studies. I was lucky to just miss that opportunity. From time to time postgraduate boys and adults up to 45 or so would be called to the draft board for medical exams just to make sure they are still fit in case of global war. I saw them being examined. All the same as for us 16 yo boys.

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