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Subject: Compulsory Nude Swimming at School


Author:
Mrs.Judy.Love
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Date Posted: Saturday, November 17, 2012, 12:33: am

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Nude swim debate continues.

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[> Subject: Re: Compulsory Nude Swimming at School


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Rex
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Date Posted: Saturday, November 17, 2012, 01:18: pm

There was a very good reason why mandatory nude swimming got started in public schools and YMCA pools. Before the technology of chlorinating public pools; before vaccines and antibiotics; there was a concern of the spread of disease through wet wool bathing suits.Swimming shorts that would be perfect breading places for bacteria in lockers. and Then reused in an unchlorinated pool. Not very intriguing sexually but it does make sense. Does it not?

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[> Subject: Re: Compulsory Nude Swimming at School


Author:
Mrs.Judy.Love
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Date Posted: Saturday, November 17, 2012, 11:25: pm

Yes I brought up that point a while back and females did the same.Over the years much photographic evidence was lost as a result of the images being labeled as pornographic.

As a side note the Corbis and Bettmann Archive have rare photos unpublished due to the content being deemed unacceptable for viewing. Some Universities an High schools photographed students nude as part of the sports physical for quote insurance reasons. After the practice was deemed inappropriate the files were destroyed or just vanished.

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Jake
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Date Posted: Sunday, November 25, 2012, 03:06: pm

We were photographed for HS sports physicals. This would have been in the late 1970s, early 1980s.

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[> Subject: Re: Compulsory Nude Swimming at School


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Rex
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Date Posted: Monday, November 19, 2012, 12:51: am

To ask myself why we had to swim naked soon disappeared. Really, us boys quickly forgot about being naked withe each other. And just had fun in the pool. The female life guard gave me a bit of a start. I knew she liked looking at us,but I just put it out of my mind until I got home. Sure,I must admit that I was looking at her too. I felt guilty about this.She had a full swim suit on. Why doesn't she take it off and be naked with the rest of us? I thought to my self.

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[> Subject: Rex, Wouldn't ALL Swimsuits Have The Same Problem?


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Fran
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Date Posted: Monday, November 19, 2012, 08:30: am

Rex, your explanation sounded reasonable until I recalled learning that females were allowed to wear swimsuits in the pools. If what you said above is true, how did they avoid bacteria problem with women's suits? There has to be another explanation, don't you agree?

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[> Subject: Re: Compulsory Nude Swimming at School


Author:
Uncle Aldo
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Date Posted: Monday, November 19, 2012, 10:13: am

The problem was not bacteria. The problem was the wool felt that suits were made out of in the early part of the last century. Pool filters and pumps were rudimentary back then and got clogged by stray fibers from the heavy wool felt. This was how it was explained to me, and many other boys, back in the 1940s at Y and other pools.

That said, the facts that non-felt suits were available then, and that girls could wear tank suits were not considered reason for boys to wear suits. This was because the other, long tradition of swimming nude by all (but mainly boys and men, since women did not participate in athletics much in the 19th and earlier centuries) was still active and powerful. Only the upper classes, who had money, wore clothing to the beach and swam from special carts and wagons at the beach that were there to preserve modesty, especially, or solely, female modesty.

Bathing nude via swimming was considered healthy back the in the 19th century because indoor plumbing was quite uncommon. So it was healthy in that it was a form, the most prevalent form often, of washing all parts of the body. That was why swimming in salt water was thought to be especially good for the health. The salt helped kill germs.

My own grandfather had a house near the beach and swim naked in the saltwater for reasons of health. So did my great grandmother, who was from England (though when she did this she was in the US). Both did so discreetly however, out of view of all but the most young or intimate family members.

All of the above is true. It is amazing however how much confusion and outright bullshit exists about this subject.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Compulsory Nude Swimming at School


Author:
Rex
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Date Posted: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 07:57: am

if I ever have a problem with constipation You are the solution. My sincere gratituds.

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[> Subject: Re: Compulsory Nude Swimming at School


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Rex
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Date Posted: Monday, November 19, 2012, 11:41: am

No there was never any girls in the pool with us boys. Are you guys crazy or what?! She must have had a private changing room close to the office. What the hell is the matter with you guys. There was nothing sexual intended at all. What is wrong with you num nuts? She was beautiful to me at 12yrs old.

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[> Subject: Re: Compulsory Nude Swimming at School


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jarant
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Date Posted: Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 09:45: pm

The HS I attended in the early 60's required students to pass a swimming course in which boys were not allowed suits but girls wore tank tops. We had to shower in a group class before entering the indoor pool area. We then lined up and bent over with cheeks spread for the coach to check for 12 oclock shadow before we were allowed in pool. It seemed normal and natural to do so and we were all males in class. Onlt remember a few isolated times when a female coash "visited" other wise it was class as usual.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Compulsory Nude Swimming at School


Author:
jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: Thursday, November 22, 2012, 01:45: pm

Interesting if it is true !

I have already read that in some high schools, it could happen sometimes, not at each class but rather one time by month or by class term, there was a nurse who came at the swimming pool at the beguinning of a class for boys to check their feeet from underneath. They were instructed to sit on all fours on a bench and to lift their foot one by one being of course stark naked since they were inside the swimming pool. I guess that it was embarrassing for a high school student to feel the nurse hehind him with his buttocks acompletely exposed and his balls also visible

Neverthelessif it was certainly unpleasant, it was less embarrassing than a check by the coach of the asshole's cleanliness with cheeks wide apart in front of all your high scholl classmates. At high school, you were no more kids!

Being forced to be nude for a swimming class was one thing and apparently rather frequent in the past but being forced to spread your cheeks to let the coach look at your asshole was an other thing and more humiliating.
I guess that it was a bad surprise the first time he did it, even in the first 60's ?

Did you have this check at each swimming class of the year school or was only at a few classes ?

it was normal to have a group shower before entering the indoor pool area and also to line up in the nude if the coach wanted to do a roll call of the students which could be a rule at school but I don't think that it was normal and natural for you to have to bend over and to spread your cheeks for a check of your coach as you said.
In my opinion, he was a little a sadistic man which was too much using military methods with students.

Of course fortunately, you were all males in class but it was nevertheless humiliating and not necessary to check your cleanliness since you had all taken a shower before.

When a few isolated times, a female coach came in the indoor poll area when you had your lesson, did she see you when you were lining up, bending over and spreading your cheeks like atb draft physicals.

Being a woman and not used to such inspections and being never submitted to draft physicals like young men were, she might be very surprised and either shocked of your bad treatment, either amused depending on her character ?

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Author:
Aquila
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Date Posted: Friday, November 23, 2012, 11:12: am

I have the feeling that this swim-class ass-ckecks were not just an idea of the coach.

I guess he made notes about findings in the rectal areas, for example tracks left by sexual activities, and those findings got into some statistics the school maintained, and possibly some governmental statistics.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Compulsory Nude Swimming at School


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jarant
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Date Posted: Saturday, November 24, 2012, 08:01: pm

The coach was an old white haired guy who never took his robe off and whom everyone assumed that he wore a suit underneath. The line up for 12 oclock shadow check was routine before each class. Some classmates were not diligent in the shower room, kidding around and not really getting cleaned up so the routine always found someone who would be returned to the showers. I remember one poor kid who returned a 2nd time from the shower to be checked while the female coach was present. His face was red from embarrassment and we thought it quite hilarious.

One time the coaches keys were misplaced and we could not get out of the pool area when the class ended. Someone hid the keys and when the next bell rang the femailes came into the pool area while we were all naked and trying to get into our lockeroom. Needless to say some of the girls remembered our faces and would snicker when passing us in the hallway later on.

Overall, it wasn't a bad experience but in retrospect, the boys got the short end of the stick compared to the girls.

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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012, 06:22: pm

"jarant" please, can you explain for me some words or expressions because I am not sure that I have understood them well since I am not american or english, it is not my common language.

what does it mean exactly " the line up for 12 o'clock sasow check ( I have understod that it was a check of the anus area, but why shadow, why 12 oclock?)

and after " the short end of the stick" ?

anyway, what was your age when you were checked in that way by your coach and when the female coach was also present and when the girls were entering in the swimming pool area while you were still inside naked?
I presume that all of you were crossing their hands in front of your genitals even if it was not enough to protect you from their view?

how did you recacted when some girls were snickering when passing you in the hallway later?

did any teacher told them to stop snickering if they could be heard by a teacher ?

If you were checked in that way each time you had a swimming lesson, I presume that the coach knew very well the buttocks and the asshole of each of you at the end of the school year, he would have been able to recognize you even by back only by seeing your buttocks.

if it would have happened to me, I would have been really mortified.

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jarant
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Date Posted: Thursday, December 06, 2012, 09:07: am

jean the frenchie.....

"jarant" please, can you explain for me some words or expressions because I am not sure that I have understood them well since I am not american or english, it is not my common language.
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what does it mean exactly " the line up for 12 o'clock sasow check ( I have understod that it was a check of the anus area, but why shadow, why 12 oclock?

...I assume the slang expression used by the coach meant that shadows (residual fecal matter) can be observed when one bends over and another can look up (toward 12 oclock)his ass for cleanliness.


" the short end of the stick" ?

...just another slang expression similar to drawing straws and getting the short one!
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anyway, what was your age when you were checked in that way by your coach and when the female coach was also present and when the girls were entering in the swimming pool area while you were still inside naked?

...I was 14-15 yrs in my 3rd year at Grover Cleveland high school in Ridgewood, N.Y.

I presume that all of you were crossing their hands in front of your genitals even if it was not enough to protect you from their view?

...Some of us were trying to hide our genitals and others were jumping back in the pool until the girls were ushered back out by their female instructor.

how did you recacted when some girls were snickering when passing you in the hallway later?

...there was one girl, tall skinny blond that I had a crush on. After seeing me in the pool area naked, whenever she saw me in the hallway, she smiled a knowing smile which before that incident, she never looked at me. I know that my face turned red when she looked at me thereafter.

did any teacher told them to stop snickering if they could be heard by a teacher ?

...only the female instructor who ushered them back out of the pool area.

If you were checked in that way each time you had a swimming lesson, I presume that the coach knew very well the buttocks and the asshole of each of you at the end of the school year, he would have been able to recognize you even by back only by seeing your buttocks.

...he was white haired and seemed really old so don't know if he would remember but then he could have been a closet pedophile for I knew.


if it would have happened to me, I would have been really mortified.

...looking back on it, it didn't seem to bother me overall except for the female encounters while naked. I remember mentally comparing penis sizes to see if mine was normal.

As I've said before, there were other high schools in the city that had boys swim naked while girls swam in suits and I can only assume that it was for sanitary reasons???

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[> Subject: Re: Compulsory Nude Swimming at School


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Rex
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Date Posted: Friday, November 23, 2012, 11:23: pm

A lot of this stuff I pass off as sexual fantasy. However a news paper account was indeed published about a teen girls claim 1950s that she had become pregnant from sperm floating around in a public swimming pool. I think I posted this before. The news article was true. The public was throne into a panic. As incredible as this may sound, rational people actually do become irrationally insane at times. Crop circles for breakfast anyone?

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[> [> Subject: Re: Compulsory Nude Swimming at School


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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: Tuesday, November 27, 2012, 07:23: am

"jarrant" : read my messsage which is above in the discussion by a mistake

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[> Subject: Re: Compulsory Nude Swimming at School


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Blue Collar Hunan
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Date Posted: Thursday, November 29, 2012, 02:33: pm

urban-dictionary.com for English slang. Although I don't think it would be of much help on these posts.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Compulsory Nude Swimming at School


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Bob
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Date Posted: Friday, December 14, 2012, 08:44: pm

Given the strict segregation of genders, and forced to swim in the nude, this undoubtedly contributed to the number of teen-aged boys that decided to become homosexuals.

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Frank
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Date Posted: Thursday, December 20, 2012, 05:02: am

No offence guy. What is your problem? I knew that I was gay at a young age. I played sports in highschool. Showered with my buds. Served three years in the military. One of witch was in Viet Nam. Lived in close quarters with other men. Not ever was it a problem. Sure I looked and I liked what I saw. Rest assured my friend, that me being homo had no influence on the sexual orientation of any one. You speak from ignorance.

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[> Subject: Re: Compulsory Nude Swimming at School


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skip
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Date Posted: Friday, December 07, 2012, 02:33: am

i remember in Jr. high
we had concrete bleachers built in to our pool that anyone (the public) could come by and watch us swim during school. they couldn't get into the pool or locker rooms but anyone could (from above) sit there and watch us swim whenever they wanted

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jarant
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Date Posted: Friday, December 14, 2012, 06:43: pm

In speaking to my parents (when they were alive) who also attended city schools with indoor pool / swim mandate, my father said no swim trunks was standard and my mom said that they had suits on and didn't know that boys weren't allowed!

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Jessica
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Date Posted: Friday, December 14, 2012, 09:07: pm

I had a girlfriend who described how high school swim classes were alternated between male and female and how the males were not allowed to wear suits. The girls had to take showers but no one was checked for shadows!

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Ellen
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Date Posted: Sunday, December 23, 2012, 12:13: am

I have operated a foster home for ten years. The home takes care of children at a time ranging in age from age 6 to 16 (at 16-years-old, kids live in group homes). The arrangement is usually temporary, a few months, until more permanent homes can be found for the kids.

The our foster home had a large swimming pool. In my experience, girls are a lot more modest then the boys. Girls will wear some form of swimming atire by the age of 9 years, where boys will always swim naked, remaining completely exposed to the opposite sex. This is true for the boys who are even as old at 15 years, and evidently well developed. When older boys first move in (above age 12) , they may be a bit shy about being naked in front of girls, especially since the girls of same age and younger will be clothed. Perplexily, I had heard boys complaining to them selves of being naked in front of the prepubescent girls, but not those of the same age. But after a few days the boys are comfortable with their nudity in front of girls. When the girls first arrive, particularily if they are 8 or 9 years or older, they were surprised at the nudity of the boys - especially of the boys who have obviously entered puberty.

I had also observed that boys from 12 years old had erections many times a day. It was impossibe for them to hide and all of the girls in my care could see their erections often. For girls who had first arrived, this was surprising to them, but after a few days they view it as normal. The same is true for the boys. After a few days all know that this is a normal response for boys and that the erection will merely subside.

I think for the girls this situation is quite educational, seeing the different stages of the maturing of the male body. I had overheard conversations among them discussing the boys' genitialia.

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Ditrih
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Date Posted: Sunday, December 23, 2012, 12:18: am

In primary school up to age 12 we boys had to take swimming classes in the nude. And our instructors and teachers were always female. We all had to take shower before swimming class and they checked our cleanliness. It was naturally then.

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Cameron to Ditrih
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Date Posted: Sunday, December 23, 2012, 12:56: am

I'm a 6th grade boy at a private school in Texas. We have 1st through 6th grade. There's 5 boys and 13 girls in my class. When we swim the girls wear swimsuits and the boys are naked. One boy only wears a speedo because he already has hair. The rest of us are completely naked. That's the way it's been the whole time I've been here since the 1st grade. The girls have a private dressing room with shower at the pool. Us boys just put our clothes on the benches on the side of the pool and we use the open shower near the pool before and after swimming. Our gym coach is a women and she has to supervise us all the time include shower because the boys will get into trouble sometimes.

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Leon
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Date Posted: Sunday, December 23, 2012, 01:02: am

In elementry school the boys swam naked and the girls swam in one piece suits with the boys. No one had a problem with this. In junior high and senior high, we had to wear school speedos and girls swim suits.

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Jessica
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Date Posted: Sunday, December 30, 2012, 04:51: pm

It is interesting reading the various posts on this subject and I wonder if most boys just don't care about being seen by clothed girls or if they get some satisfaction in parading their dangling parts in front of everyone including the female instructors. It seems that there is a whole fetish of clothed females nude males (cfnm) that has become popular on the internet.

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Richard
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Date Posted: Friday, February 01, 2013, 05:56: am

At our boys-only school in the 1970s we were 'encouraged' not to wear swimming trunks for swimming classes in our first two years. A few boys swam naked at the start and gradually more of us did the same. But there was always a significant number out of our class of 31 who were always in trunks. I can't imagine I'd have been comfortable going naked if there'd been girls there.
We also swam naked in the evenings (this was a boarding school) but this seemed more natural and I'd say that most boys of all ages (10 to 18) did so

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[> [> Subject: Re: Compulsory Nude Swimming at School


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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012, 11:09: am

"Skip"

I have read your message but it is not clear about what happened

you wrote : "I remember in Jr. high
we had concrete bleachers built in to our pool that anyone (the public) could come by and watch us swim during school. they couldn't get into the pool or locker rooms but anyone could (from above) sit there and watch us swim whenever they wanted"

when reading you, we can believe that there was some audience on the concrete bleachers during your swimning lessons because it was not forbidden to go here to sit and to watch at you on the reverse of your locker rooms and the swimming pool but you did not tell if you were swimming in the nude or wearing swim suits and above all, you did not say if it happened that somebody came really and sat on the bleachers to watch at you, or it was a possibility which never happened or if it was occasional and happened seldom or it was usual every time you had a swimming lesson at school and who came to watch at you ?

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nobody
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Date Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012, 11:25: pm

please specify the location (city) and year of the swimming. was this a private or public school? did the school have boys/girls swim teams? any info on the teams or swim meets? thanks!

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[> [> Subject: Re: nude swimming with an audience


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nobody
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Date Posted: Wednesday, December 19, 2012, 09:08: pm

Some items I copied/pasted when they appeared on the web, some from the Topix.com threads on nude swimming, some from other places. I leave it to you to assess the validity of the reports below, and to form your own opinions.

Girls watch boys on occasion

I learned to swim in the YMCA which was always nude. But, we also had a pool in school and had swim class as part of PE. We were given the option of swimming nude if we wanted. Most of us swam nude as we didn't want to be bothered carrying a wet swimsuit after class. We had the pool for about 1/2 hr and then the girls had it the other 1/2 hr. The girls of course all wore swimsuits. There were plenty of times when the girls would come out to the pool before we were finished and they would sit in the bleachers and wait until we were done. We would climb out of the pool and they would just sit there and watch. It was probably a thrill for them but we didn't care.A lot of times the girls instructor would be sitting there as well. Maybe it was just the times? No big deal?

Boys watching boys

I've read through the many interesting posts in this group and
wanted to share a little back with the group. When I was in Junior
High School (7th and 8th grades) we had a pool and it was mandatory
for boys to swim nude both for PE swimming classes and for swimming
practices. However, during swim meets we wore suits.

We all hated rainy days because there was no outside recess when the
weather was bad. Instead the recess girls would go to the gymnasium
and sit on the bleachers and watch the other girls in PE class and
the reces guys would go to the pool and sit on the bleachers and
watch the guys swim (and vice versa when the girls were swimming and
the guys were playing basketball). I remember many times having to
swim nude in front of my clothed schoolmates who couldn't go outside
for thier recess as well as those times when I was on bleachers
watching others. During the winter months, it seems like we always
had a crowd of boys on the bleachers.

I recall it was pretty embarrassing at the beginning of seventh
grade getting used to the nude thing - we didn't have swimming or
showers in earlier grades. Not only was it tough getting used to
puberty but suddenly we were naked around our friends. And then that
first rainy day that recess was brought into the pool area and the
rest of our friends - in their clothes - sat on the bleachers and
watched us in all our glory! After a few weeks I don't think anyone
even thought about it - it was just part of the class.

Girls watch boys (UK)

I must admit, I have happy memories of my pe and swimming lessons although it was a strict regime for boys but like a holiday camp for the girls. At my prep we did pe lessons all together in a massive gym with the girls wearing skirts and tops and the boys just pe shorts. If it was cold outside the girls could wear jumpers but nothing extra could be worn for the boys. At swimming which we did separtly, the girls could wear simming costumes but the boys were not allowed to wear anything. If pe was cancelled at short notice, we would do swimming but as the girls did not have their swim wear then they could watch, but only after we had all got in the pool. Alos, the boys had to shower, the girls did not have to.

(US)

You had me believing until that bit about there being
no naked male swimmers with girls or women watching or
in attendance. When I was 10, 11 and 12 I saw boys swim competitively and naked while standing and sitting in a spectator area with my mother in a Y in
Worcester and Fitchburg, MA, USA. My brother was among them. I found it very interesting.
Yes, there were other girls there. This was in 1954, 53, and 52. I don't know what the boys thought. I had seen my brother nude before. But I thought it was cool to see the other boys, I guess. It was all sort of natural back then."

When I was beginning 8th grade, we moved from the South to a small community in the North. This was in the early 70's. The school that I came from didn't have a pool, so there were no swim classes. I was surprised to learn that my new school had a pool, and then even more surprised to learn that we were not allowed to wear trunks in the pool. I remember being really nervous about it on the first day, but everyone else was used to it, and after that it got easier. Swim classes went on that way through high school. We never had a female instructor. We didn't have coed classes at first, but it was not at all unusual for girls to be in the pool area while we were naked. When classes did become coed, for swimming we divided into boys and girls groups, with the non-swimming group having a class in the gym. There were big windows between the pool and the gym where the girls classes were gong on, so it was pretty easily viewable. I am pretty sure that every girl in my grade saw me naked on more than one occasion. The attitude seemed to be that that's the way it was, so it was really no big deal.

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Author:
jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: Thursday, December 20, 2012, 04:55: am

I still would like to have the answer of "skip" about his relation where he is telling that there can be spectators as audience when he has swimming lessons at school in junior high

for instance, how was it managed for senior high ?
where they also instruced to swim in the nude with a possible audience on bleachers?

About the messages mentioned by "Nobody" I knew already some of them but not all.

The first one is telling that girls could watch at the boys in the nude during swimming lessons without having to hide their presence but because the time of lesson was divided in two and when they came in the pool, may be sometimes certainly too soon to the beguinning of their lesson, they could normally sit on bleachers with their female instructor and look at the boys swimming in the nude and particularly when they climbed out of the pool.

This relation can be true but the year of school is not mentioned and I must say that I alm a little skeptical about its truth even if it is obvious that such situations could have happened if the lesson was really divided in two parts, one for boys and one for girls. In such a case,it was certainly impossible to prevent the coming of the girls in the pool area before the end of the boys lesson
amusing if it was true!

The second relation is certainly true because it was only clothed boys who were watching at naked boys.

If the nudity was required for swimming lessons, it means that the authorities of the school were not concerned by the modesty of boys in front of boy's classmates, so why not in front of other boys waiting on bleachers because it was too cold outside for the recess boys.

It seems very logical and very possible to have occured like he relates it even if of course it would have been embarrassing the first time for boys in the nude but they could be in the same situation of spectators an other time and it was in a male environment only since he said that there was never girls spectators. It might be a frequent situation during winter in that school, so they had the time to be used to it.

As he said, it was just part of class.

I am also more skeptical about the third message in UK because it seems odd that the girls were allowed to sit on bleachers and watch the boys in the nude during their swimming lesson.
It is a girls who is relating, she seems to consider that it was a happy time, I understand that if she could see frequently her classmates in the nude but I am not convinced.

The first part of the relation is certainly true when she said that the boys might wear only a Pe short at Pe lessons even if it was cold, it was inspired by military methods to make the boys becoming more tough, I guess that this double standard for cloths was frequent at that time in many schools.

But it was an other point to assume that when a Pe lesson was cancelled at a short notice, the students would do swimming to subtitute to Pe but as the girls had not their swim suits, they could not swim and were allowed to sit and watch the boys swimming in the nude. It seems to me very odd because it would have be more simple to send the girls in an other class room to work on lessons or in the locker room, their presence in the pool area was not at all necessary. Anyway, if it happened in my opinion to be true it means that it might have very seldom happened. it would not be a frequent situation but very exceptional.

Of course, the other points were certainly true because very credible as the mandatory showers for boys and not for girls in her school and the fact that boys had to swim naked and the girls in swim suits.

It would have been interestiong to know when year it happened according to her !

About the 4th one, I am also skeptical, it is a relation of a man,
when he said that he saw his brother and other boys being in the audience of their swimming lessons with his mother and other women and girls at YMCA centers in the 50's, I believe it because it was not at school but at YMCA
but he did not tell us what was the age of the boys, were they as young under 12 age as him or older?

After that he relates that in a new school being in 8th grade so about 13 or 14 age, the shool had an inside pool and the boys were instructed to swim in the nude while girls were wearing a swim suit, it was rather frequent and occured in many schools but he adds that it was not at all unsual to have girls watching in the pool area when the boys swam in the nude, why? he did not explain how it could be possible, why the girls were allowed to enter in the pool area where they had nothing to do!

after that he said that there was big windows between the swimming pool and the gym where the girls had a PE lesson, so that girls being in the gym could see by these windows the boys swimming in the nude, it is more credible in my opinion.

He seems to consider as rather certain that every girl in his grade had seen him naked on more than one occasion and also to consider that it was not a big deal, it is surprising for me !
may be he is a little exhibitionist because in my opinion, if it was true, it was very embarrassing and I would have been personnally very mortified if I would have understood that all the girls of my age at school had seen me in my birth day suite and often, not only one time!

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Date Posted: Friday, December 21, 2012, 04:25: pm

http://mypages.iit.edu/~ipro328f04/images/pool_bleacher.jpg

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110324171815/aforathlete/images/b/b3/Pgh_Perry_HS_pool_bleachers_2-15-2011_4-03-27_PM_1600x1200.jpg

heres 2 pics of how the bleachers were set up at our school

anyone could park right outside and come in and sit at the bleachers

everyday there were always about 10 men up there with some moms and kids

i really didnt pay too much attention at the time but it seems odd now

that they would just let anyone sit up there and watch us

this was during school and we never swam with the girls

this was during the 80s and we had to wear spedos that we rented from the school

im sure if we swam nude there would be a packed audience

im sure the neighborhood moms would stop me on the street and tell me they saw me

swimming as my face turned red and would know which guys had hair and who were still

bald

the spedos were bad enough as you could almost see everything and if you got a boner

there would be no hiding it which happened about 30-50 times a day back then so we

pretty much stayed in the water

the next school i went to the locker rooms were set up so that the boys and girls locker

rooms were right next to each other with separate doors to each

but when you walked in the had the gym teachers office both male and female in between

and it had big glass windows were you could see through to the girls locker room and

vise versa

the gym teachers from their office could see in both locker rooms and kinda the showers

and i could see through the glass the girls walking in as we were coming back

did anyone else have this?

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Date Posted: Friday, December 21, 2012, 11:20: pm

Thank you for replying - it is appreciated!

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Date Posted: Sunday, December 23, 2012, 12:02: am

At my school the boys wear speedos in competition swimming. We often go to watch mainly because the swimmers are mostly good looking and to see them in speedos! They practically show everything because they're so revealing!. They're pretty small (racing speedos) and the way they're shaped sort of lets their package bulge out the front and hang down a bit. Even the little boys have nice bulges. Also, the school colour is white so the speedos are white. When they're wet(most of the time they are) they're translucent so we can make out some pretty nice details about the boy's penises. It's easy to make out how long they are and whether they're circumcised.I wish more boys from our class would join the swim team so we can check them out as well! Some times they're pretty show off as well. A boy named Chris came up to us the other day in the stands in just his wet speedos and stood right in front of us so his crotch's bulging package was right in front and level with our faces and talked to us. We could see his penis, balls and pubic hair and all. We all were 15 then.

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Date Posted: Sunday, December 23, 2012, 02:30: pm

All boys swam nude for all grades in junior and senior high school in Minnesota where I grew up. Our swim team, of which I was a member, practiced nude as well. I know many people don't believe it, but no one cared. No one even thought about it. It was just the way things were, and the general attitude was that girls HAD to wear suits, while boys were free to go without. There was nothing sexual about it whatsoever. It was easier, faster and just made sense: take off your clothes, swim, put on your clothes. Classes were segregated by genders, so modesty just was not an issue. Of course, there were times when a girl or teacher or mother or sister might show up, usually by mistake, but they were the ones embarrassed, not us.

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Date Posted: Sunday, December 23, 2012, 12:27: am

I was once went on a Germany as exchange student when about 14 and they had a swimming lesson (mixed) and we all had to change together. The Germany kids didn't see anything wrong with this and they went about there business but it was pretty strange for me and it did feel odd, naked with a girl one side and others opposite. But they weren't really bothered, or at least didn't appear to be, i guess they looked me over and that was that. Of course i had to try and keep my tackle in check, the more i tried not to get erect, the more it seemed likely to happen!

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Date Posted: Sunday, December 23, 2012, 01:14: pm


Yes, here in Germany they do. Our high-school has the outdoor pool open for nude swimming on Sundays from now till September (I have pool duty twice a month). Mostly it's boys - typically 20-30, but some girls, maybe 5-10. The girls who come tend to be from the older years (17 and 18 year-olds), while the boys come from all years (13-18).
They swim and use changing room together without special embarrassment.

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Date Posted: Sunday, December 23, 2012, 12:42: am

I'm not aware of any schools today. However, I'm a man who went to a U.S. High School in the late 1960s, and at my school the boys were still required to swim nude during the boys-only sessions, while the girls got to wear one-piece swimsuits during the girls-only sessions. There was a crack in the rubber seal between locked double doors that allowed the girls to spy on the nude boys during swimming (and girls' fingernails made the crack even bigger). Right behind the doors was a seldom used equipment storage room, and the entrance to the girls' shower room, so the girls had easy access and were very well concealed. We boys didn't know about the spying until the girls started making very personal jokes about our bodies outside of swim class. Then it became CRYSTAL CLEAR -- we were spy victims!! After that we could hear the girls giggling frequently behind those doors while we swam nude. But our gym instructor, a former marine seargent, strictly kept us away from the doors and concentrating on swimming. It was obvious he knew what was going on, but he didn't care -- he just let the girls "get away with murder" ...which they did. The girls must have been on cloud nine comparing bodies and genitals of boys they saw everyday in the classroom -- including even an occasional "aroused" pen-s!! I remember feeling very envious of the girls. I would love to have seen them nude, to say the least!!! But the GIRLS RULED the day, and LOVED teasing us about it!!!

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Date Posted: Sunday, December 23, 2012, 01:23: pm

This was before my time, which I am grateful for! Evidently, in the 50's, 60's, and 70's, boys in America were forced to swim nude in swim class, on swim teams, and at the YMCA. This was to "prevent bathing suits from clogging the drain", though girls got to wear bathing suits. Also, it prevented boys from having to be responsible for soggy suits, though girls were readily entrusted with such a arduous task.

The male instructors were usually nude, though female subsitutes were not. Girls often showed up "early" for class to check out their nude male classmates. At swim meets, spectators of mixed genders came to watch the show. Girls peeked at the boys, female teachers felt free to walk in on swim classes and even into boys locker rooms, and there were female life guards at YMCA's where males swam nude. Most of the men reporting experiencing this as boys claim it was no big deal. Maybe they were told "real men" considered it to be "no big deal."

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Date Posted: Sunday, December 23, 2012, 01:38: pm


Yes, in 1960, my first year of High School, grade 9, in Toronto, Canada we had to swim nude in the school indoor pool. I was only 13 and a little shy. But my biggest fear at the beginning was I would be naked with 3 of my neighborhood friends who I had spent the summer playing baseball, etc. All our bragging about our manly achievements would come to a screeching halt when our puberty stage was exposed. Mine anyway, as it turns out. After the first class, everything seemed ok.

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Date Posted: Sunday, December 23, 2012, 02:26: pm

I attended high school in Detroit, Mi area in the late 1950's. In the 9th grade, males at least, were required to take swimming if they were unable to swim. I fell into this category, so I was forced to take swimming and much to my dismay was forced to swim nude. I really never questioned the practice, at the time, however I resented the fact that I was forced to swim naked, and I still resent it to this day.

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Date Posted: Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 09:14: pm

Were there any females present during these lessons?

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Date Posted: Monday, December 24, 2012, 05:02: am

What if the situation was reversed? What if guys going into their teens are wearing suits and the girls are required to be naked. I am sure this would be considered an outrage in most cultures. This perspective gives me a better under standing of why male nudity can be disturbing for a lot of men. Skinny dippy with my male frends in my youth was a joy! Call me old fashioned if you like, but I like to think that there are times when gender separation is most appropriate. Men who get a sexual thrill by being dominated by women have my permission to ignore this message.

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Date Posted: Monday, December 24, 2012, 05:25: pm

With out a doubt there are some genuine posts on this thread. That is refreshing. Thanks to those who are honest with themselves and with us the readers.

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Date Posted: Monday, December 31, 2012, 11:28: pm

It is what it was back in the 60's and most didn't know that boys swimming nude was counter culture to what was normal or expected. I don't remember molestation being reported or anyone getting more than kicks from seeing us without suits on.

When females visited or were in the vicinity during swim classes, we all thought it was laughable although some of us were more modest than others. I grew up with an older brother and sister and nudity, when it happened at home, was not anything we thought too much of. I knew before entering high school that swimming class was compulsory and that I would not be allowed to swim with a suit on.

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Date Posted: Sunday, January 13, 2013, 01:27: pm

See "Best Answer" at the URL below. It claims both boys and girls swam together, naked, in school.

http://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130107170847AAdHCms

No details given (location, year, grade of students). You can decide if you believe it or not.

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Date Posted: Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 04:19: pm

It was no big deal for boys to swim naked in the 50s and 60s, even in backyard pools, no matter if girls were present. But girls always wore swimsuits.

http://www.imagebam.com/image/c04d72232509635

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Date Posted: Thursday, January 17, 2013, 06:47: am

As regards swimming at school, I don't believe that boys were often swimming in the nude with girl's students in swim suits.
For me, it is totally different, it was certainly not the rule but it could happen occasionnlly or accidentally that girls came in advance in the swimming pool where the boys had their lesson in the nude or that they could see by a window without curtain or a hole in the door of a locker room or if the boys were late and had not get out of the water wwhen the girls came or for any other reason. I Think that it was almost unavoidable that it happened at school but not intentionnally.


And of course, there was the case of the swim competition, I am skeptical about the presence of a lot of girl's students but it might happen according to some relations that there was mothers and sisters or female relatives who were present on bleachers. In my opinion, it was not frequent and it happened mainly for small aged boys, not male teenagers but I can be wrong.

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Date Posted: Thursday, January 17, 2013, 07:02: am

"Jarrant" has said in a former message :
"When females visited or were in the vicinity during swim classes, we all thought it was laughable although some of us were more modest than others"

of course, some boys were less modest and did not mind if they were seen in the nude while others were afraid of being seen naked but when you talk of females who were visiting or were in the vicinity during swim classes, I don't understand what you want to say.
what do you mean by "visited"?

For girl's students or teachers, to be in the vicinity was certainly frequent but it did not mean that they had a view on the boys swimming in the nude.
in a coed school, of course the students were often not very far from others and the vicinity was unavoidable but there was in my opinion no issue as long as they had no possibility to look at the boys in the swimming pool even if they were in the nearest room or corridor .

Of course, I presume that every body being in the school knew that the boys had to swim naked and girls or at least some of them were certainly very curious about the anatomy of boys as boys would have been about that of girls, so if they had an opportunity to have a look, they took it but I don't think that it was frequent.

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Date Posted: Thursday, January 17, 2013, 10:32: am

Jarrant" has said in a former message :
"When females visited or were in the vicinity during swim classes, we all thought it was laughable although some of us were more modest than others"

of course, some boys were less modest and did not mind if they were seen in the nude while others were afraid of being seen naked but when you talk of females who were visiting or were in the vicinity during swim classes, I don't understand what you want to say.
what do you mean by "visited"?

.....by visited, I meant that female swimming instructors were either present upon the boys entering nude from their locker room shower to the pool area or female instructors came in during boys swimming class to meet with our male coach.....

For girl's students or teachers, to be in the vicinity was certainly frequent but it did not mean that they had a view on the boys swimming in the nude.
in a coed school, of course the students were often not very far from others and the vicinity was unavoidable but there was in my opinion no issue as long as they had no possibility to look at the boys in the swimming pool even if they were in the nearest room or corridor .

... They usually talked while standing outside the coaches office and usually faced the pool since the boys coach had to constantly be aware of the boys cutting up or running on slippery deck surfaces. The female instructor watched us without any signs of embarrassment during these short visits....

Of course, I presume that every body being in the school knew that the boys had to swim naked and girls or at least some of them were certainly very curious about the anatomy of boys as boys would have been about that of girls, so if they had an opportunity to have a look, they took it but I don't think that it was frequent.

... It was not a frequent occurrence. I remember once taking a dare from a classmate and getting out of the pool and walking nude up to the coaches who were talking and twirling their whistles to ask our coach for permission to use the restroom. I remember thinking that my face must be red because I was both excited and embarrassed to be seen close up by the female instructor.

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Date Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 10:02: am

In the 1950's, in North Central Florida I attended swim lessons at a neighborhood pool. There were about ten kids. The instructor was a woman, assisted by at least two teenage girls, possible her family. We were between around 8 to 13. I was 10. The oldest boy was probably 12. The girls all wore some kind of swim suit. The boys ALL swam naked. Parents (all Moms, I think), and other family members socialized poolside. This was at a private home with a sizable in-ground pool. Girls changed in the pool house cabana. It ran about two weeks. Boys simply undressed and dressed on the deck. It was just the way things were at that time and place.

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Date Posted: Thursday, January 17, 2013, 06:36: am

According to what I have read on that subject, it was not the common use in all the United States, only in some towns and especially in rural areas where boys were swimming in backyards pools in the nude and it was considered as normal in the 50's and 60's.

As regards the presence of girls, I am not convinced that it was so much frequent except may be for moms, sisters and female relatives because it was family.
and it was certainly depending on how the modesty of young males was considered in a family, if it was appreciated like a normal feeling or on the reverse like an unnecessary feeling according to masculine values.
In that latter case, the nudity of boys and may be young male teenagers could be admitted and why not encouraged as long as the women were not considering that you had a indecent behavious which could have shocked them.

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Date Posted: Friday, January 18, 2013, 10:01: am

I often wondered what went through the female mind when seeing so many yound nude males in such swimming settings.
Would any of the female readers on this forum be willing to share what experience(s) they either actually had or can offer what would have gone through their minds if they had been present in such situation?

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Date Posted: Monday, January 21, 2013, 09:56: pm

I have never heard of coed nude swimming in school but can imagine that some of the boys didn't mind flaunting themselves nude in front of the girls or female coaches and in turn the females most likely enjoyed the experience.

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Date Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2013, 04:35: pm

Yes Lillian, Us boys loved flaunting in front of the girls. It was such a male ego trip to show off in front of girls. Just knowing we were being eye fucked by girls was so gratifying to say the least. You are so right. However I would like to mention that seven billion people is one baby to many.

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Date Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 02:09: pm

I went to a small private school in the midlands in the late 80's-91 where younger boys swam nude in front of female instructors. We had small swimming classes of about 10-12 boys of similar swimming ability. I joined the school late at 13 and could not swim. I was put with kids who were generally a bit younger than me and at that age and ability level swam naked. So I had to as well. It took me about 2 years to learn to swim as I was fairly scared and the pool was intimidating, very deep at the deep end and Victorian looking. So during this time I was naked and freezing for an hour a week in front of a female instructor and her female assistant from the sixth form (17-18 I guess).
There was a girls class before us and we often had to walk through their changingroom while they were there. The girls in that class were 16 and warned beforehand that we were coming through. Actually everyone the girls included were embarrassed by this. For some reason none of us boys really tried to river ourselves but not because we were flaunting ourselves I think more because it would in acknowledging the girls could see we were naked it would make it more embarrassing. I looked pretty young for my age so I think I also just hoped to blend in with the other boys some of whom I think were young enough to be a bit oblivious.

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Date Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 06:29: pm

" jon" :Your experience can be true but it was certainly a very seldom situation.

According to what I have read on many discussions, there was generally no coed-class in swimming lessons after the elementary school where it could happened sometimes. At middle schools and above all at high schools, I am very skeptical about the co-ed lesssons, in my opinion, it was not the common situation even at schools where the boys were forced to swim naked under the school or the education district rules since a long time.

I recognize that even if it was not planned, it might have happened that some girl's classmates could have seen boy's students over 13 age swimming in the nude at swimming lessons, but if it was possible, it was certainly accidentally or occasionnally without any intention or plan to create such situations at schools.

Nevertheless, I presume that as the boys between 13 and 18 age were always still considered as minors and as lads even the oldest, it was not considered as a big deal if a few female teachers could see them naked for any reason it was but normally the teachers for boys over 12 or 13 age were always male.

May be it was also a possibility that some women sitting on bleachers could see them swimming in the nude at interschools meets if they were invited to be an audience but I don't know if the relations telling that it happened were true or were only fantasy about CFMN situations.

As regards your relation where you had to swim naked in front of a female instructor at school, I believe that it was true but not common and frequent, on the reverse a very special situation.
As you said, you were in a private school and normally it was only the younger boys of this school who had a female instructor.
If you were older, it was because you had to learn to swim later than other boys and it was only in a small private school that such situations could happen because of the few numbers of teachers and they would have been certainly impossible in greater schools, above all at the late 80's-91 when the modesty of boys began to be best taken in account in the society.

I think that you were in a very special situation as being an oldest student that the others, aged of 13 age the first year and may be 14 age at the end of your lessons since it took you about two years to learn to swim.

I presume that it was very embarrassing for you to swim naked during an hour each week of the school year with younger boys and in front of a female instructor.

I must add that I think that it was unfair to allow a female assistant of about 17 or 18 age to be present for a class of boys where one of them was aged of 13 which seems to me too old for such a situation. May be it was considered as possible because you were looking younger than your age, apparently not different than the younger boys, it is just a suggestion to try to understand why it was possible.

As regards the possibility for a class of girls aged of 16 which had a swim lesson after yours to see you walking naked in the changing room while they were there, if it did not happen accidentally but happened regularly after each lesson as you related it,I presume that this situation apparently unfair for the boys was only possible because all the boys including you were supposed to be still so young compare to these girls that it was not considered as something indecent and embarrrassing even if it was indeed for a few boys while others were a bit oblivious as you said.

Fortunately, it seeems that such a situation did not happen with older boys about the same age than these girls.

At least you have not said anything like that for the swimming lessons when you kew swimming and were in a class of boys aged of 16?

Anyway, I presume that it was not the rule in other schools in the Midlands above all at that time, the late 80's !

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Date Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 11:27: pm

There were never any actual co-ed classes at all as I remember, sorry if Igave that impression, and we never had spectators. I was never good enough to go to any meets but I'm certain at that level everyone wore at least speedos.
It was a small school and although traditional there were a limited number of staff so situations occurred that probably wouldn't have done at a bigger school. Things could get a bit informal or ad hoc. The swimming instructor was quite old and her boss older. I think there was definitely an attitude of the younger boys have nothing to hide.
I was in an unusual situation being older and I think you are right that because I looked young, it was seen as being fine for me to be in the
class. The swimming teacher also doubled as the school nurse as well as other roles, so she was in a position to know!
It was very embarrassing to begin with and also for the first lesson or two when the assistant changed. I was taller than the other boys so I felt it made me stand out. The assistants new I was a bit older so it was even more embarrassing that apart from my height I was no different to the other boys. Once a girl from my year when I was14 came in on an errand and saw me standing naked by the edge of the pool with the other boys. She just raised eyebrows, smiled and said " hi Jon don't get too cold", I nearly died!
Having to walk through the changing room full of girls only happened when things overrran, but it was definitely a manifestation of the young boys have nothing to hide/are not modest attitude. To be honest when naked with the other boys I did feel pretty young in the presence of the girls which is why I think we didn't really cover up. It was embarrassing
but they were like women and we were all still young boys me included despite my age.

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Date Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 11:59: pm

What was the name of the school, Jon?

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Date Posted: Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 01:00: am

It was a small independent school in Derbyshire. I don't really want to give the name because it's hardly a good advertisement for the place and overall it was a good school and I owe the staff there a lot.

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Jon
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Date Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 06:29: pm

Sorry in the above message river should read cover.

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Lillian
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Date Posted: Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 09:51: am

Jon ... did you ever tell your family about the nude swimming class and locker room experiences and if so how did they react?

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Jon
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Date Posted: Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 02:20: pm

My mother knew but didn't think it was a big deal. I went on the beach nude on holiday in France, in front of girls, so she didn't think it should matter that I swam nude with other boys at school. Holiday was different though somehow, probably as most people were strangers.

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Date Posted: Thursday, January 31, 2013, 09:11: pm

I was on vacation in Cancun at a Club Med where the young boys 13-14 swam in the nude from the beach while older women bathed in the nude on the beach. Did not seem to bother anyone. I swam out to a float off shore and did a silly upside down slide into the water and lost my suit. A young female swimmer retrieved it for me and everyone had a good laugh. I guess it depends on the culture as to how nudity is perceived whether swimming or sunning oneself in the nude.

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Date Posted: Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 01:54: pm

wanted to comment on the post by ellen and to ask her a pertinent question. she stated she felt that it was educational for the young girls to observe the differences in maturing male bodies. i wonder if she feels it would also be educational for the young boys to observe the differences in maturing female bodies? also for jake who stated they were photographed for sports physicals. i played football in high school and if anyone were ever observed photographing me during a physical, they would be picking their teeth up off the gym floor. i played in three seasons, 1960,61, and 62.

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Date Posted: Thursday, January 24, 2013, 06:41: am

ok but how were managed your sport physicals when you were playing football in high school

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Date Posted: Friday, February 01, 2013, 12:37: pm

In the boys junior swimming team, age 11-12, we didn't swim nude but had a female coach an her assstant who were always present in the locker room while we showered and changed. They also made sure that we peed at the urinals before putting on our speedos to avoid doing it in the pool when the girls team would be using it after our session.

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Date Posted: Friday, February 01, 2013, 07:32: pm

I don't think that peeing in the pool was the effect that they looked to avoid when they had us line up and bend over at the pool edge before class. It was more like fecal matter that was not dislodged while showering before swimming lessons.

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Date Posted: Friday, February 01, 2013, 10:28: pm

Jean, do you know of any schools in France which had compulsary nude swimming for boys in the past?

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Date Posted: Saturday, February 02, 2013, 10:51: pm

You didn't say what ages you were, if the swims were done in the nude, who did the checks, and if any female coaches or staff were present.

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Date Posted: Sunday, February 03, 2013, 02:21: pm

The ages of the boys were mostly 14-16 and the all boys swim class was always conducted in the nude for male students. We were instructed to disrobe and leave our clothes in the locker room and proceed to group shower which was one big tiled room with a lot of shower heads. We were not given towels and were to go straight into pool area next door where we lined up in a row and were told to bend over and spread our buttocks while the male swim instructor looked at our anus for cleanliness!!? If you had any 12 o'clock shadow, you were sent back to the showers until clean.

The male instructor was old and wore a large white robe over a bathing suit as the room was somewhat cool. We were instructed to enter the water and proceed with swim instructions. Occasionally a female instructor was present and helped out the old coach where needed.

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Date Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2013, 06:10: pm

answer to "curious" : I have never heard of any school in France where there was mandatory swimming lessons in the nude for boys even in all male schools. I don't think that it never happened, but in my opinion, it was not because it was considered as too much humiliating for boys to swim in the nude, it was just because it was not a habit in France but I think that it could have happened because there was not much concern about boy's modesty in the past as we could see when changing cloths in a locker room, or when taking showers in group under supervision or at school physicals.

question to "jarant" : I have some difficulties to believe you when you said that in high school ( or I presume that it was a very strict all boy school?) when you were between 14 to 16 age, you were instructed to strip completely in a locker room (until that I can believe it easily), then to take a shower, then to go all in the nude to the swimming pool, then to line up ( why not if there was a roll call by a coach) but it seems to me too much humiliating when you said that you were instructed to bend over and to spread your cheeks to let the coach check your cleanliness ?
at that age you were no more kids!
Even if the check was done by an old coach who could be very authoritarian, it seems to me not credible in that way.
I can believe that he checked that you took a shower, that he checked that you were using the soap on all parts of your body and that you were wet when leaving the shower room, that he did a roll call during which you were lining up but not to such an inspection.

If I would believe you, it means that you stayed rather a long time naked on the edge of the swimming pool.
I must add that even in the past I cannot imagine a female swimming instructor being present and helping your old coach when he did a roll call with all the students boys lining up and after being a spectator of the inspection of your ass hole!

I have read one time in a discussion a relation about a school nurse in middle or high school who was coming in the swimming pool at the beguinning of a lesson on each month to check the boy's skin and especially their soles on feet, the boys were told to sit on all fours on a bench and to lift one by one their feet to let the nurse look at their soles.
I have a doubt about the truth of that relation for the same reasons as for yours but it seems a bit less incredible in a certain way.

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Date Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2013, 07:04: pm

As incredible as it seems, these events happened in a public coed high school in the north east USA during the early 60s. I remember being cold coming in wet from the showers but we were not allowed in the pool until the lineup and check by the coach. The swimming class was mandatory for graduation so it was not unusual to have both younger and older boys in it that transferred from other schools.

Since the coach was old, boys would misplace his keys and we would sometimes get stuck in the pool area when the girl students entered from their locker room at the bell signal. This was rare but did happen to the embarrassment of most.

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Date Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2013, 07:21: pm

you did not answer to the question about the time you stayed naked and lining up on the edge of the swimming pool at the beguinning of the lesson for roll call and check of cleanliness.It must be rather long?

it is more credible if you were mixed with more younger boys but nevertheless it is difficult to believe that such a humiliating treatment was possible without any complain of students or parents if they knew it.

was it something which was known by every body inside the school, by the other teachers and administrative staff and girl's students?

of course it was a little less embarrassing because he was an old man but not a pleasanttime at school.

you said that it happened occasionally that a girl class entered in the swimming pool area at the bell signal while you were still here so it means that they could see you in the nude but I presume that it was only at the end of the lesson, never when you were checked by the swimming instructor which would have been more humiliating for you.

in such a school where modesty of boys seemed to be not a concern, I presume that your school or sport physicals were also embarrassing for you , more over if the coach was involved in your supervision or the examination ?.

Did he give you also the PE lessons ?

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Date Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2013, 04:42: am

two more comments about "jarant" relation of his tims in high school.

you said that the boys were from 14 to 16 age, so it means the freshmen and sophomores or junior but not the senior who were rather aged of 17 or 18.
so what happened for them, are you presuming that they knew already to swim and had no more neeed for swimming lessons?
but in that case what happenbed to a student who came at this high school later in the junior or senior year after his parents were coming in the town for their job?
why was he not also forced to learn how to swim whatever was his age?

did the older students at that high school have no more swimming lessons in their last years of high school ?

an other comment : you said that the swimming instructor was wearing a bathrob over his swim suit because it was cold in the swimming pool area but in that case it might be more over cold for the boy's students who were all stark naked and for a long time between the undressing at locker room and the end od the check of their cleanliness at the swimming pool. How did you feel being naked if it was cold, why you did not complain about the cold? did some students be ill by having a cold after the swimming lesssons because of the long exposure in the nude.
I don't think that this coach had a fair behaviour, if he thought that it was too cold to be undressed in swim suits, he might have thought that it was the same for you.

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Date Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2013, 02:46: pm

Reply to JTF....line up was not very long as the coach made a cursory look see as he passed by and only pulled you out for the shower if there was a real dirty butt.

We did not complain and I was not aware that any parents knew or sanctioned the students treatment during swim class.

The only time a female student would see the boys nude was when the male coach could not find his keys to let the boys class into their locker room - something that boys were known to do was to hide his keys.

There apparently was little concern for boys modesty in the name of pool hygiene - I never understood the logic for not being allowed to wear a suit except for having no place to dry them in the locker area where they would get moldy??

As for sport physicals, they were done by the school nurse in a room of the gym. The coach was not involved with physicals and was not a PE teacher.

The requirements for all students to graduate included demonstrating ones ability to pass a swim test. If you failed the test, you were required to take a swim class and no matter your age, all boys swam nude. I do not remember any older boys looking more than 16 being in my class.

As for the coach wearing a robe over his swim suit, we assumed that he was either cold like us or did not want anyone seeing his wrinkled body especially when an occasional female coach entered the pool area?

The coach was always blowing his whistle at us for running around on the wet deck surrounding the pool and I remember one boy who slipped and hit the edge of the dive board which caused him to bite through his lip. The nurse was summoned and the boy had to be taken to the hospital for stitches. When he returned to classes, he was allowed to remain clothed during swim lessons and had to sit in the bleachers and watch or do homework.

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Date Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2013, 03:54: pm

At the beginning of my swimming lessons, described above, we were also examined/checked by our female swimming instructor. It was done as we sat on the ledge around the edge of the pool by the windows. The instructor would walk along and we had to lift our feet up on to the ledge and lean back with our knees bent and legs spread. She looked at our feet and bottoms and would sometimes spread our cheeks. She also looked briefly at our genitals. For those boys that it was necessary she would also sometimes lift the testicles with a finger. On a couple of occasions she asked me to retract my foreskin as far as it would go, she then just said "OK" and walked on. This happened to other boys as well. She said all this was to look for things like verrucas and check we were clean. At 13 and 14 this was a bit embarrassing for me, but again most boys didn't seem to care. The assistant had a good view of all this as she would usually be standing at one end or the other. It was more embarressing if I was sitting close to where she was of course. Both times I had to "retract" she was close by. I was a bit flustered by this which along with the cold made things difficult and my fumbling drew a smile from her which made it hard to look her in the face for the rest of the lesson!
Someone mentioned about it not being good for kids to be naked cold and wet. I agree, its amazing we didn't get ill. I can only think that it probably just felt very cold and a winter scene outside didn't help. I was usually covered in goosepimples and it probably goes without saying that things shrank about as much as they could.

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Date Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2013, 05:59: pm

The relation of "jarant" with his coach swimming instructor checking at the beguinning of each swim lesson the cleanliness of the boy's butts was really enough difficult to believe but as it was in a male environment, it was unlikely to come but not too much incredible.
but yours is an other thing.

I have admitted that it was possible that you had a female instructor because you were in a small rural school with not a great number of male teachers. But now you go more far telling that you had also at each lesson, an inspection in the nude and a check of your feet and of your butts checked by your female instructor and also her young assistant who was no more aged than 17 or 18 like a senior student.
As your female instructor was also the nurse of the school ( it is you who have told that), I can admit that she was used to see boys in the nude and could subsequently check your body as she did during physicals but it was too much humiliating when you added that she checked also your genitals, lifting the testicles with one finger, and even sometimes wanted to see your foreskin retracted.
It cannot be true in my opinion, it is fantasy , it would have been too much humiliating even if the boys were mostly younger than you
how believe that she did such an inspection one time by week at each lesson and in presence and under the sight of her young assistant who could watch all the inspection?

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Date Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2013, 10:16: pm

I understand your scepticism. The instructor rarely spent more than a couple of seconds with each boy. Often she walked down the line stopping at no-one. Most of the time it was a visual check. If a boy had verrucas or was wearing a verrucas sock it seemed to be then that she might look under his testicles and I guess if they needed to be lifted to see underneath she did. This did not happen to me as my testicles had not yet dropped. As for having to retract our foreskin, again it was usually if she saw something or had issue with something else. For me, both times I was also wearing verruca socks and the end of my penis was red on one occasion. The week before I had told her about it stinging in the water.

Although I was sometimes quite embarrassed, humiliated might be a bit strong. We were used to being naked infront of our instructor and the assistant. As mentioned above I was not embarressed at the end of one lesson to tell her that the end of my penis was stinging while standing naked in front of her. I was mainly embarrassed about my lack of development and hated the fact that I was one of the "smaller boys" despite my age and height and that the assistant just saw me as another, probably "cute", little boy, especially on the day where I had trouble retracting my foreskin because I had shrunk so much due to being cold.

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Date Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2013, 05:35: pm

Did the instructor retract the boys foreskin and lift their balls herself, or ask them to do it?

Was spanking allowed at the school, and how did she punish the boys who misbehaved during swimming lessons?

Were there ever other female teachers or school staff present during the boys nude swim lessons?

At what age did boys start wearing speedos for lessons, and did they also have female instructors?

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Date Posted: Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 09:12: am

As I remember the instructor lifted the balls herself and then sometimes retracted the boys foreskin herself. It was done quickly almost in one movement, it was more like popping out the heads with a quick squeeze rather than pulling back skin as most of us were pretty small. For some boys like me as she didn't need to lift our balls she usually just asked us to pull our foreskin back. With me, when I told her about my stinging penis at the end of a lesson she took me to one side and quickly popped out the head and similarly when I was fumbling to do it myself another time she took over and helped expose my head. I guess like many young boys I wasn't used to retracting my own foreskin, especially at my smallest, and the head was sensitive so my instructor was better at it. It was just embarrassing at 14 in front of the assistant.
Spanking was allowed at the school and during lessons we were taken to one side and received a couple of smacks on our bottoms standing up. For some reason it was very effective and even at 14 I would cry straight away probably because our bottoms were wet so it hurt more along with the frontal nudity which in that situation made me feel very infantile.
Occasionally other female sports staff came in but they took little notice of us. All the boys had the same staff member for swimming and they normally started wearing speedos at 12-13. I didn't start until 14 1/2 because until then I was with the younger boys because I couldn't swim. I couple of other boys about my age were in my situation for a while but 14 1/2 I think I was the oldest to still be nude in the lessons.

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Date Posted: Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 11:33: am

"...All the boys had the same staff member for swimming and they normally started wearing speedos at 12-13. I didn't start until 14 1/2 because until then I was with the younger boys because I couldn't swim. I couple of other boys about my age were in my situation for a while but 14 1/2 I think I was the oldest to still be nude in the lessons"

Were you with pubic hair among boys who weren't in puberty yet? What told your parents that you in age 14 1/2 were naked together younger boys and were checked and spanked the same?

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Date Posted: Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 06:41: pm

No I still didn't have any pubic hair when I was 14, I also wasn't in puberty yet. In fact as I mentioned above I was actually one of the "smaller boys".
I don't think my mother thought anything was wrong with what happened . I was still spanked bare by her at home and still bathed by her. I think she thought of me as a little boy still.

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Date Posted: Friday, February 08, 2013, 02:02: am

...The instructor would walk along and we had to lift our feet up on to the ledge and lean back with our knees bent and legs spread. She looked at our feet and bottoms and would sometimes spread our cheeks. She also looked briefly at our genitals...

I believe it could be possible in boarding school but can't imagine that it was in usual school (at least, for boys older 7-8)

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Date Posted: Friday, February 08, 2013, 07:34: am

When we swam at boarding school, as discussed above, not all boys went in the pool naked, for whatever reason. I decided to join in after a few weeks of swimming classes as it was easier and only meant having to remember a towel! Forgetting that though usually meant a couple of whacks on the bottom from our teacher!
The idea that girls might have seen us though would have been terrible although we did have the embarrassment to stripping in front of our matron for baths and showers and the annual medical examination

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Date Posted: Friday, February 08, 2013, 10:58: am

I went to a white jr. high schoolin the suburbs that did a 7th grade class exchange with an inner-city black school in Detroit
We had to "buddy"up with another student from the other school-male/male and female/female and had to go through the day following that student to all their classes.
In my case, my buddy had gym class which turned out to be swimming.
So we went to the lockerroom and he told me that we all strip off our clothes and lock them in the locker then we have to go take a soapy shower before allowed in the pool.
So all us boys (me being the only white boy from my school in this class)took our showers and that is where I did not want to be obvious, but couldn't help looking at the other boys' penises and how much bigger they wer compared to my penis. I had never seen a black boys penis before and was amazed at their sizes and how many were not circumcized like me.
After the shower, we had o go into a tiny room off the pool to line up which literally had us "nuts to butts" as the coach said to us while ordering us to tighten up the line.
Once in the pool room, we had to line up single file along the side of the pool but facing the wall and the coaches who were all looking at us.
Since I stood out in the group in more ways than one, I was told to come forward, turn to the other boys and tell them something about me and my visiting school. Talk about being embarrassed-here Iwas totally naked,having a penis inferiority complex, and all these eyes on me and I'm sure my now shrinking package trying to tell them about me.
But I did, and we were told to go swimming... and that is when I realized there were no swim suits to wear and we would be swimming naked.
It took me a little while to get use to it, but then started forgetting about it and had fun swimming and fooing around with the other boys.

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Date Posted: Friday, February 08, 2013, 06:11: pm

Why is penis size such an important thing with a lot of guys? If a female authority figure singled me out in front of other guys because of my small dick...would you all laugh at me? Spent a lot of naked time with guys, sports etc. For real. Some great erotic writing going on here.

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Date Posted: Saturday, February 09, 2013, 02:16: pm

http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Got-Spanked-As-A-Kid/2178311

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Date Posted: Saturday, February 09, 2013, 06:31: pm

Very interesting story. The URL has been posted on voy.com before, on a different Voy Forum.

Given the content of the URL and the "name" (label) for the poster here, I wonder if the person posting the URL is also the author of the URL material? If yes, then thanks for an interesting read. But one question for the author of that material: if you read all the comment posts and replies at that URL, the story author contradicts himself regarding the point of whether the boys and girls swim teams practiced at the same time. If you are the author, please clarify.

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Date Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2013, 12:45: am

I find this story a bit hard to believe. I have heard of accounts where boys in junior teams, up to 12 years old, competing nude at swim meeta in front of mixed spectators. But teenage boys as in this account, with some sporting erections in front of their girl classmates and the other spectators, sounds a bit far fetched to me.
I am not saying it never happened, but would certainly have been exceptional.

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Date Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2013, 01:04: am

Although I do not agree with Truman's extreme negative views, I do agree with him on one thing, that most of these accounts do not mention the time and place where they took place. A very few do though, and sound more credible.

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Date Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2013, 08:56: pm

If you dont't believe:

https://sites.google.com/site/historicarchives4maleswimming/home/archives---mid-20th-century-to-current/ymca-boys-clubs-schools

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Date Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2013, 09:41: pm

Hello to Boy from swim team. There is extensive evidence that in some areas, boys/young men had to swim nude in school and at the YMCAs up until the late 1970's. I am not one of those (often unpleasant) deniers.

I also believe that at much (possibly all) of the story at the URL is true. I again ask - if you are the author of the story - to please comment on the discrepancy in answers in the story comments on the question of whether the boys and girls swim teams practiced together or separately. In one reply the author says boys and girls swim teams practiced at different times, and another reply says they practiced at the same time, with the boys nude and girls in suits.

I have seen numerous posts on the topic of boys swim teams competing at public meets, nude, with a mixed crowd and with girls teams competing at the same meet, with the girls in suits. I believe that happened but was uncommon as girls swim teams were uncommon back then, and only some swim teams competed nude.

Until reading the URL story, I have never read of boys and girls swim teams practicing at the same time, with the boys nude and girls in suits. That's why I ask about it.

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Date Posted: Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 12:22: pm

The joy of it. Freedom Non sexual nudity. What fond memories of boyhood.

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Needle Dick
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Date Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2013, 02:19: am

Who cares. The very best sex organ on our bodies is our brain. Thanks to those who can wright and share it with others.

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Date Posted: Monday, February 11, 2013, 02:55: am

Worth mention I guess. When I 19-20 took a friend to YMCA pool. We striped naked in locker room. Thought nothing of it. Never crossed my mind this would be a problem for him. Later I learned this was his first experience with group male nudity. When we entered the pool area he panicked and ran back to locker room to dress. I can not understand this.

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Date Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 06:37: am

Paul has said : "I believe it could be possible in boarding school but can't imagine that it was in usual school (at least, for boys older 7-8"

me too, but like you only at boarding school with few teachers and strict rules about discipline or only for boys under 8 or 9 age.

in the story of "John", I can believe that he was mixed with younger boys because he did not still know to swim and it was necessary and urgent to make it learn it without taking in account that he was a little too much older to be treated like the other younger boys, but that's a thing to be swimming in the nude, to have an inspection of cleanliness in the nude while lining up at the edge of the pool and that's an other one to be exposed during the inspection to the view of an assistant student girl of 18 age only who could assist to all the lesson including that part which was more humiliating,

she could have been told by the female swimming instructr to stay on the other side of the pool, her presence near the teacher during the check was not necessary.

Even if he seems younger than he was, the female swimming instructor could not ignore what was his real age!

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Date Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 07:13: am

At our boys-only school we were seen once a year by a male doctor. In our first three years we had to be naked, but I wasn't embarrassed by that. Or even by our matron seeing us as she saw us naked a lot anyway. It was being with the other boys or worse being seen by a (male) teacher while we were waiting that I didn't like. And this did happen as we had to get undressed in a dormitory and line up in small groups in the corridor before going through to the doctor!

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Date Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 12:23: pm

...me too, but like you only at boarding school with few teachers and strict rules about discipline or only for boys under 8 or 9 age...

I was in boarding school too since 7 till 15. It was in Russia (then it was Soviet Union). We had no any swimming pool and had no swimming lessons but after weekly shower our cleanliness was checked despite of age. Girls modesty was protected much more than boys. Until our 10-11 nobody of adults (teachers, nannies) considered boys have any modesty already. The second side, we really were less shy than girls.

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Date Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2013, 11:49: am

HS mixed swimming

http://www.imagebam.com/image/e1be38237281150#

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Date Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2013, 02:51: pm

We can see boys' individual reactions on this photo. Some of them have no any sign of embarrassment, some are enbarrassed (cover their privates by hands), and one is ao ashamed that needs coach's (or lifeguard's?) "help". However, rules are rules. If boys have to take swim lesson nude, it would be done.

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Date Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2013, 04:39: pm

Ummm, guys I've seen that photo on porn sites for CFNM. The folks are well over 18 yrs old.

I've never actually seen any photographic evidence CFNM swimming happened in any high school to kids attending there. There's plenty of pics of casual kids CFNM swimming in the late 1800s and early 1900s, but I've never seen a pic of actual high school sponsered CFNM swimming. Collage kids, yes. Jr high or high school, no.

John

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Date Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2013, 04:35: pm

I don't believe it's mixed swimming. Teenagers' play. I think we all had similar experience in this age, including strip-poker etc.

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Date Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2013, 11:51: pm

Pool party... Usual thing for teens.

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Date Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2013, 01:33: pm

There is more to the situation than I have posted but most my memories are somewhat vague. My swimming situation was discussed with my mother at some point and I think it was generally felt that it was best for me to be in a lesson with boys of my own ability and development stage. Although I was naked, I did not stand out amongst the other boys and blended in. It might have been just as embarrassing to be the only boy with speedos on, this way I blended in. Also I has worn speedos a couple times on holiday and they made me look like a flat chested girl as there was virtually no bulge at the front and I had floppy hair. I think in a class with boys my own age, some of whom looked like men to me, I would have suffered bullying. After soccer lessons with kids my own age I received some taunting in the changing rooms, although not too much, as I wasn't in the high ability class with all the really athletic boys. But from that I can only imagine how rough it would have been swimming with them, thin, undeveloped and feminine looking as I was. On one of the few times I was in the same soccer class as the big lads I remember walking between them with their hairy muscular bodies and comparatively huge endowments and feeling like a girl!

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Date Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2013, 02:13: pm

I should also add that I agree, I probably shouldn't have been naked or checked in front of her it was embarressing. However she was very nice to me as she new I was scared and helped me overcome my fear of the deep end. After I winded myself, jumping into as deep a water as she could get me to, she took me to the side and rubbed my back while a sat on her lap and occasionally she would pat me on the bottom. None of this felt inappropriate and on occasions such as this I wasn't embarrassed to be naked in front of her at all but neither was there any sexual element to it.

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Date Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2013, 02:57: pm

Jon, I sure be naked and checked together with other boys from your class was less embarrassing when it was done in presence other persons. At least, for me it was so.

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Date Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2013, 04:32: pm

"richard" : you have not said what was your age, only that you had such examinations in the nude for the three first years?
I notice that in your case at school physicals, you were not only naked since the start of the examinationbut even before since you undressed completely, and then line up in the corridor and walked naked towards the room examination. I think that this situation was the worst with so¨me similaries with military physicals where draftees had very often also to walk naked in corridors.

"Boris" I know already that the modesty pf boys was npot much a concern in russia, it was also true later when myoung men of 18 age were summoned to report for draft physicals which were performed mostly in a rather humiliating way.
but at your school, you said that it was until 10-11 age that you were checked with a complete disdain to your possibly modesty
well, you were still very young boys.

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Date Posted: Friday, February 15, 2013, 12:07: am

"Jean the frenchie" I didn't tell we had no any modesty at 10-11, but adults considered so. Our morning toilet was supevised and checked until this age by duty teacher or nannies daily. Sometimes, if girls ran into our sink-room (tell something to teacher for example) checking was continue in their presence. All considered we were too young for embarrassment. It wasn't true but who care? After this age, for girls was forbidden to go into boys' sink-room or shower-room (although, it happened sometimes). Adults (teachers or nannies) checked our cleanliness after shower or sometimes in other situations until boarding school graduation, when we were 15. It was usual when ears, back, bottom and heels were checked when we were even 15. It considered natural.

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Date Posted: Friday, February 15, 2013, 07:21: am

We would have been aged 10 to 13 or so.
The examination used to take up most of a morning by the time we'd all been assembled in the dormitory (there were about 30 of us) and undressed there. And then the walk to the corridor naked

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Date Posted: Friday, February 15, 2013, 03:32: pm

It was in end of 50s. I was in my first year at high school,we had pe lessons one week and swimming lessons the next, we were having our first swimming lesson i was excited and was going into the pool changing rooms when i went into my sports bag i was shocked to find my mother had packed my pe kit and towel instead of my swimming trunks ,i had already everything off and was now naked in front of everyone ,my friend then said are you going in nude after thinking i said yes remembering the school rule that no swimwear was equal to nude swim ,i put on a brave face with a few cruel comments being passed, i went to the pool area and waited for permission to enter the water once in the pool i began to enjoy the feeling of warm water over my naked body.
When i went home that night, i explained to my mother what happened at school and asked if she would please only pack a towel for swimming lessons to take away the temptation of wearing trunks ,i swam all the time nude at school after that day and swam nude at a inter school swim competition with 300 spectators of both sexes and different ages including six of my own family.

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Patrick (Mixed swimming lesson)
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Date Posted: Friday, February 15, 2013, 04:03: pm

When I lived one year in Germany (20+ years ago) I remember this arrangement being quite common. Girls wer in the pool in bathing suits and boys in speedos. However, the showers and changing rooms were co ed and at the age I was at the time(11-12) I was reluctant to get undressed in front of girls but I got undressed and showered in a big open room in front of everyone. My older female cousin, who was about 16 at the time and a German native, stayed with me and assured me no one would make fun of me. It was still an unnerving experience though.

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Date Posted: Friday, February 15, 2013, 08:53: pm

Sure you did

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Date Posted: Friday, February 15, 2013, 03:46: pm

In 1949 to 1957 I swam nude at the YMCAs, the Y's summer camp and at Peabody High School in Pittsburgh, PA. It was the norm for boy's up to the age of eighteen to swim nude in most Pittsburgh Public High Schools and at all YMCAs. No one ever objected to mothers, sisters or female teachers being present while the boys were swimming nude or even in the locker rooms. Modesty was only for girls. What's there to hide? We all considered so then.

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Date Posted: Friday, February 15, 2013, 04:15: pm

Growing up in the 50's/60's guys swam nude in school at the Y and at y camp in the summer--It was so pervasive---you did not think about it It was just the culture of the time---I do not know why---We got paddled in sports by coaches also and on the bare butt and no one questioned at all--the right of the coach to paddle a guys bare ass at least until 18 sometimes older-- I got after lost play at 19 in front teammates----IT HURT A LOT!---It was just part ofr the era---I do nor know why---Now at our health club I notice high school guys are more shy about nudity------I guess neither is right or wrong---just a sign of the times

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Date Posted: Sunday, February 17, 2013, 02:00: pm

From what I understand spanking fetish is one thing. Corporal punishment in most US public schools has been illegal for many years now. Some teen boys in high school do get out of self control. King of the Hill Syndrome. Two incidents in my school years was handled very well by school staff. Our history teacher grabbed this boy by the coller, pulled him back in his seat and said something like "If I have to. I will slap you up side the head so bad you wont be able to see your way out of this class room. This kid had no more problems with with keeping himself under control. Great teacher. I admired and respected him greatly. Another time a kid decided he was going to be in charge of the class. The principal lifted him up off his feet against the wall. No more behavior problems from this boy. This was no way abuse. If more fathers kept their sons under control,schools would not have to be afraid of law suits. And good teachers would not have to be baby sitters.

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Pepper Mint
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Date Posted: Friday, February 15, 2013, 06:22: pm

Some great comments on this subject. One of the greatest worries of a teen boy is unwanted erections. This does not necessarily mean sexual arousal. Teen males get erections several times a day. This is normal. But what a terrible embarrassment this can be for a guy. In public nude situations, I would prefer to be with my own gender. Not gay.

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Eli
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Date Posted: Friday, February 15, 2013, 08:55: pm

These are all fantasies. Don't take it seriously.

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Billy
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Date Posted: Friday, February 15, 2013, 09:25: pm

This topic has gotten way out of control and really doesn't
belong in a medical forum.

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Jarant
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Date Posted: Saturday, February 16, 2013, 03:11: pm

Granted that some of these posts are pure fantasy based on today's cultural standards however in the 60's what I have posted actually happened and was common place in public schools in USA.

There was not much thought to being seen naked during swim class or in group showers just a lot of kidding and dares from friends when girls were present. It was a kinder and gentler time with a certain amount of innocence to it all.

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Date Posted: Saturday, February 16, 2013, 05:07: pm

YEP!

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Date Posted: Sunday, February 17, 2013, 03:16: pm

I hate when stupid f*ckers responded to a comment 4 months old in a very long thread....bumps the thread to the top, then you cant find new comment in thread......

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Date Posted: Sunday, February 17, 2013, 06:27: pm

While the structure of this Forum leaves something to be desired. it is easy to find the new replies by using the search feature of your browser. Search for the latest (usually "today" in this context) data. For example, today I searched for:

Sunday, February 17, 2013

and very quickly found 2 replies dated for today in this thread. Presumably this reply will be #3.

Note that 2 posts appeared above this one on the page, so as part of the search process I had to parse through those first to identify the ones in this post, but the other 2 posts had only 3 entries dated today.

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Date Posted: Tuesday, February 19, 2013, 12:22: pm

http://thenakedswim.blogspot.fi/2011/06/why-were-boys-required-to-swim-naked-2.html

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Bill
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Date Posted: Tuesday, February 19, 2013, 12:32: pm

There most certainly were nude swimming classes in schools back then. I just looked up newspaper articles at newspaperarchives.com from Wisconsin, Indiana, and Michigan where it is clearly stated that the boys don't wear swimsuits. There were no mixed classes or nude swim meets, but the boys classes were nude. One article from a Sheboygan newspaper even has a picure with a nude boy about to dive off the diving board while the other boys are sitting on the side of the pool. It appears that this practice was mostly in the northern midwest and the northeast from the 1920's through the 1950's, with some remnants until the very early 1970's. If you don't believe it, look up the Sheboygan Press article from October 31, 1940, or the Life Magazine article from October 16, 1950.

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Date Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2013, 11:02: am

I can't speak for every school in the world but I can speak about the high school I went to. I'll name the school, Los Angeles High School in Los Angeles, Ca. The school had an Olympic size pool that was completely indoors and the boys were required to swam naked. There was never an instance of a female life guard, or a female teacher entering the pool area to deliver a message to a gym coach. There were never female spectators in the stands and no girls were allowed in the pool area during boy's swim classes. All boys gym teachers were male (all girls gym teacher were female). AFAIK, the girls wore tank suits issued by the school during their swim classes. Thus, CFNM scenarios such as some have described, never happened, except for a few times of brief occasions where a girl inadvertently entered the ramp leading from the girls locker room to the pool. In these instances, she beat a hasty retreat upon observing the boys. It never was big deal for us.

After Title IX was passed, there was a law suit filed in the early 1970s by a committee of parents who objected to the requirement and also a feminist organization. The parents claimed that requiring the boys to swim nude while the girls wore swim suits discriminated against the former while the feminists argued that forcing the boys to swim nude discriminated against the girls because it effectively denied the use of the pool to them for 1/2 the available time. They were successful as the judge ruled in their favor. Instead of appealing the decision, the school board punted and decreed that swim classes would be coed with the boys now required to wear swim suits.

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Date Posted: Thursday, February 21, 2013, 06:43: am

here is a part of an other message of "CL" which shows the same :"Thus, CFNM scenarios such as some have described, never happened, except for a few times of brief occasions where a girl inadvertently entered the ramp leading from the girls locker room to the pool. In these instances, she beat a hasty retreat upon observing the boys. It never was big deal for us".

that means that for him, it was only occasionally that a girl could see boys swimming in the nude and he adds that this girls beated a hasty retreat, so she was as much embarrassed than the boys by their sight in the nude!

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Date Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2013, 11:21: am

It is an absolute fact that men & boys were required to swim nude at the Y and in H.S. and in colleges. Even boy scout camp made boys swim nude outdoor in the lake. If you don't know about it, that doesn't mean that it didn't happen. I am 60 years old and the requirment was changing when I was a teen. It suddenly was forbidden due to the feminists demands for equal access. They have hundreds of their own health clubs and show advertisement with the slamming of a door in a man's face denoting the blatant & rude sexist descrimination. As far as women being allowed in, all I can say is that women are constantly walking into men's private facilities as workers picking up wet towels in the men's locker room at the Y or masseuses walking through as if they had the right. I even seen girls use the men's steam room or bathroom with no compunction whatsoever, so it would not surprise me is the claims that females were allowed in as other men claim at various other facilities.

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Date Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2013, 12:49: pm

I also swam naked at summer camp 1950 - 1954. Boys were 9 - 15. Camp staff wore trunks. The Director's daughter, same age as the boys, participated in the pool sessions and activities. She always wore a swim suit. We all accepted it and got used to it.

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Date Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2013, 07:45: pm

Why would a room full of naked guys object to a woman entering, unless they were gays?

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Date Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2013, 09:08: pm

I attended a high school that had a compulsory swim class requirement where we wore loose tank suits issued by the school in a girls only swim class. We heard rumors that boys did not wear suits but were not allowed in to the indoor pool area when their class was present to see for ourselves.

I eventually met a 17 yr old boy who told me that he was in such a class because he would not be allowed to graduate until he passed a swim exam. He would tell me stories about occasional mixups where his class would not be completely out of the pool area when the next girl class entered. I never experienced it with my swim class but heard that same thing from a few of my academic classmates as well.

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Date Posted: Thursday, February 21, 2013, 06:37: am

"Aj" I presume that you are right on most of your comments because it seems to be the more realistic.
normally as it was for you in your school, girls wore tank suits issued by the school and boys wore in the nude but you had not mixed swim lessons, so that you never saw the boys swiomming in the nude, it was only a rumor at school , a right rumor in fact.

Later you met a boy of 17 age who related to you that to be graduate they had to pass a swiml exam and that their lessons were in the nude. So you knew that the rumor was true.
He told you that occasionally, there could be a mixup when his class of boys was not completely out of the swimming pool and the next class girl was entering.
I believe such a story, of course it whappened sometimes, it is normal that the schedules of lessons did not prevent completely such situations, it was certainly not fantasy but I guess that the girls had only a quick glance at the boys and your own memory of school swimming lessons shows that it did not happen in all schools.It was not so much a big issue at a time when modesty of boys was not so important as today.

If you heard same stories from some of your academic classmates, girls I presume?, it means that you were not lucky at your school where it never happened !

but you are honest to recognize it.It shows that it was not the common rule or habit

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Date Posted: Friday, February 22, 2013, 11:01: am

"Boris" :

you answered to me in a message ahead in the discussion about the disrespect of the modesty of boys in your russian boarding school.

you said that until 10-11 age, you were not supposed to be modest and your cleanliness was checked and your morning toilet supervised daily by duty teacher or nannies and that it could happen that a girl ran into your sink-room to tell something to the teacher during the check of your cleanliness which did not stop but was followed in their presence.
and you add : " All considered we were too young for embarrassment"

I presume that it was not only in Russsia that adults were thinking like that, I presume that it was not very different in most of the boarding schools in many countries for young boys at that time.
The duty teachers or nannies as you said were a little considered as surrogate mothers with the same rights and duties as real mothers toward the children and boys were supposed to need more care than girls, especially for cleanliness, which explained why the boys were treated differently.

you said that "it wasn't true but who care?"

It was really a common behaviour and feelings of adults towards boys under 10-11. The mentalities about modesty of youngest boys were not the same as nowadays!

As regards the coming of girls, it was the same, it was not considered as a big issue at that time to expose a boy in the nude in front of a little girl but it is true that the reverse was less frequent.

But you said that it was different after 11 age, normally,it was forbidden to the girls to come in your sink-room or shower-room, even if it happened still occasionally sometimes.
I presume that when it happened it was for the same reason than years before when younger, to put a paper to a duty teacher or to talk to her? and I presume that if a girl came occasionally or incidently not knowing that there was a check of cleanliness, she was told to get out quickly?

I recognize that to have his cleanliness checked after shower or other situations by a duty teacher or by nannies was more embarrassing when it happened to a boy between the age of 11 to age of 15 until you leaved that boarding school but I am not surprised that it was practiced as something natural in a boarding school. Adults women did not consider that boys under 16 age were very mature and enough concerned by the rules of hygiena. So as there was no real mothers to care about the boys, your supervisors were thinking that they had to do it and they did it on their own way whitout thinking much to the respect of your privacy but who cared about your privacy in a boarding school at that time ?

In France in boarding military schools, it was certainly the same until the last 60's, all showers were supervised and some checking were certainly practiced but it was more in a male environment since except a nurse all supervisors were males.

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Date Posted: Friday, February 22, 2013, 01:58: pm

...In France in boarding military schools, it was certainly the same until the last 60's, all showers were supervised and some checking were certainly practiced but it was more in a male environment since except a nurse all supervisors were males...

In my boarding school for all time I was there dormidory teachers ("vospitateli") were female only. I know it considered "female work" in Soviet Union. They had to do mother's work about care for children and nobody didn't think about big modesty even for older boys. Supervision during shower and even sometimes supervision in toilet rooms (for smoking prevention) was usual thing for duty teachers and nannies.

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Date Posted: Friday, February 22, 2013, 02:55: pm

What punishments were the boys given if they misbehaved in the showers, in the dormitories, or in class?
I know that physical punishments were not allowed in Russian schools, but I read another account where the boys were made to stand naked in the corridor, where girls passing by could see them, as punishment for bad behaviour in a similar boarding school.

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Date Posted: Friday, February 22, 2013, 02:58: pm

Did you have a pool at the school, or know of any other boarding schools where boys were made to swim nude in front of female teachers?

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Date Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2013, 02:19: pm

Did you have a pool at the school, or know of any other boarding schools where boys were made to swim nude in front of female teachers?

No, we had no any pool in school. Our school was in old building and we had no even shower after sport lesson. Shower was in dormitory building only and we took it weekly. As I already have told, shower was taken under duty dormitory teacher or nanny supervision always. Usual days all hygienic procedures were done in sink room most part under supervision too.

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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: Friday, February 22, 2013, 11:14: am

A question to "Richard" about one of his message ahead in the discussion"

You said that you were about 30 boys in your dormitory, that you were told to undress and to line up in the corridor and then to go to the doctor office.
does it mean that you were all 30 boys stark naked in the corridor ?
In that case, I presume that the examination by the doctor might lasted rather a long time? were you forced to stand up naked during all that time until the last boy was examined ?

Did you have to walk in several corridors to go to the doctor's office? or was it very close?
Once arrived, where did you wait for your turn, in the corridor?
who supervised you? the matron I presume but you said "worst sometimes a male teacher"?

You said that you were aged between 10 and 13 age and it was only the three first years. What happens after, you leaved the boarding school?

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Richard
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Date Posted: Friday, February 22, 2013, 05:47: pm

Jean,
We did all get undressed in the dormitory as I recall - but we were told to come out in groups of about three. The corridor was just outside, and we had to walk naked only a short distance down it to the end where the doctor's room was. We were supervised by the matron and her assistant, but the examination actually was quite short, otherwise it would as you say have taken ages to get through. We went in one at a time for examination while the others waited.
The teachers did not supervise us but occasionally one would be waling past, which I hated.
After the first three years we continued to see the doctor but these examinations where we were naked no longer took place.

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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2013, 01:09: pm

if you stayed in the same school, I am surprised that after the three years, the set up of the annual physicals change a lot?

For the examination in the nude, I have understood that you had not to walk much in corridors and that you were called only by small group not all the boys of the dormitory, so it means that most of the boys stayed in the nude in the dormitory waiting to be called.It was a little less akward that I have thought.

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Rigly
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Date Posted: Friday, March 01, 2013, 01:19: am

Talk about an obsessive compulsive issue. The one thing I remember most about puberty was that for the first time I could smell the the locker room as never before. It was all new and exciting.

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jarant
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Date Posted: Thursday, March 07, 2013, 10:22: am

I agree.....in my instance, the smell of chlorine often triggers memories of our nude swimming classes.

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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: Thursday, March 07, 2013, 07:15: pm

when thre was PE or swimming lessons, it is true that some smells were things that we remember still well today, like chlorine for swimming lessons, and sweat at locker rooms, when shorts, underwears, tee-shirts and socks were wet by sweat, especially socks of course, and a strong smell of male teenagers bodies when there was almost 25 boys naked or semi-naked in the locker room.

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[> Subject: Re: Compulsory Nude Swimming at School


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David
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Date Posted: Tuesday, March 12, 2013, 09:02: pm

I experienced mandatory nude swimming in high school. This was a Chicago high school, Lane Tech, a large all boys high school of 5000 kids. It was 1970 and I was a 14-year-old freshman. Illinois high schools at that time had a requirement to swim to be eligible for graduation.

Others on this thread have commented on this practice, "it was no big deal", "just something you got used to", etc. This was not my experience. I found it humiliating and degrading and hated every second of it.

I suppose for those that had bodies that were average+ in all respects, it *was* no big deal. For those not so lucky, body image can be just as sensitive a thing for boys at this age as girls and to be totally exposed to your peers - for them to know how fat or skinny you are, or how hairy or undeveloped, or how small or different your penis is - this is not a fun situation by any stretch of the imagination.

The swimming period started in the locker room, where everyone had to strip naked. Than a mass group shower, with often coldish water. Next one of the more humiliating parts: standing in line to wait your turn to be inspected as to whether your shower was good enough. A couple seniors from the swimming team would be the inspectors. You would step into a plastic container of some type of chemical that would kill bacteria on your feet, and stand naked before them for inspection. They would feel your hair, different parts of your body, and pronounce you "clean" or "not clean" (in which case you'd be forced to return to the shower and repeat). Fortunately no "12 o'clock" inspection, so I guess it could've been worse.

After passing inspection, we would proceed to the pool area and have to immediately get in the pool. The whole pool environment was quite cool, and the water itself seemed barely heated. This was winter in Chicago, so you were getting no help from the outside temperature. You are naked, wet from the shower, have cold air all around you, and then have to jump into fairly cold water. We were shivering, with goosebumps, constantly. It would take quite a while before you could adapt to the water temperature and start to feel adjusted.

Just after you finally have adapted to the water temperature and were starting to get your body temperature under control, The swim coach would blow his whistle, forcing you to get out of the pool, back into the cold air, go up into the stands, find your number on the bench and sit down on it for attendance. Once again, although even worse now, you are totally wet, exposed to the cold air while naked - freezing and shivering. After attendance was taken and coach explained what had to be done this period (10 minutes), it was back in the water for the remainder of the time, and again the cold water adjustment. Finally, showers at the end, changing back into clothes, and you were done - until next week.

All in all, the nude swimming requirement perfectly illustrated the school's attitude towards their students: you will have the same rights and respect as a herd of cattle. Forcing you to take this class (even if you could demonstrate how to swim), forcing you to be naked, the inspection, the careless attitude toward student comfort with the freezing in/out rituals - it all seemed structured to inflict the maximum damage on a student's self-esteem.

Finally, I must say that all the swim coaches were male; we never had any experiences with female teachers viewing, wandering through, etc. So again, I suppose it could've been worse.

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