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Date Posted: Friday, May 24, 08:00:25pm
Author: Knut Holt
Subject: Polls - extreme medical exams in schools and elsewhere

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Interesting research polls about strange or intrusive medical and psycological exams or procedures kids and adults are subjected to. You can use these polls to tell your own history or the history of someone you know about. The polls already have a lot of interesting testamonials you can read and comment upon.

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Extended, mandatory well-child examination under anesthesia - where the kid undergo endoscopic inspections in the intimate zone and other body areas, extensive ultrasound inspections, ex-rays of several body zones, intrusive specimen collection and body function testings:

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/611395">http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/611395</a>

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Poll about cystoscopy or bladder inspections in kids and adults:

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/615327">http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/615327</a>

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Secret, intimate, intrusive medical exams and procedures under anesthesia on kids and adults:

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/608976">http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/608976</a>

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Called in for a strange physical or psycological exam:

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/605807">http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/605807</a>


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Alien abduction - investigation of memories of alien abduction or similar events, like abduction for surveillance and experimentation by governments or mafias

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="https://www.misterpoll.com/polls/625773">https://www.misterpoll.com/polls/625773</a>

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All the polls also have a message board. The individual stories of each participant will be published here. Here you can add comments or ask questions.


Knut Holt

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Young man, China, kidney theft when being under general anesthesia for ental work

It happened as young adult 21-30. The procedure happened in Asia Except Russia, china, in 2010 or later. The procedure happened in a hospital. The procedure happened at home. Travelled to isolated places for work reasons through China . Night.


PREPARATIONS AND ARRANGEMENTS

I was given sedative medicines through my mouth I was unconscious all the time.


THE THINGS DONE TO ME

I had dental work. I had an exam or procedure through my anus. They performed an exam or procedure but was not given information about what they did. Nightly. Scar indicat kidney. Loss kidney I am male.


SIGNS AND SYMPTOMS THROUGHOUT THE ORDEAL

Indeed My underwear being messed up or other signs that I had been stripped naked at my lower body. Strange persons appeared around me before and after the procedure than those I expected to perform the procedure. Scar indicates the kidney procedure.


COMMENTS

A kidney got stolen from the young man when he was under general anesthesia for dental work. He also indicate something was done through his anus. This could simply be an enema as preparation for the surgeries. But I strongly suspect they also used hum as a training object for medical students about endoscopucal procedures.

I probably got full general anesthesia when already sleeping from the oral sedation.

From my material I know that theft of body constituents when kids and young adults are under general anesthesia, is scaringly common, especially when the original work is small surgeries or just examinations. In western countries, like USA and western Europe, that likely to be stoilen are substatial amount of tissues, but in a way that not so easily can be detected. In countries like China theft of while organs can occur.


Knut Holt

htto://www.mydeltapi.com


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Boy, 11yo, pelvic exams and reaction test for social behavior reasons

I am male. It happened in Oceania. 2015 or later, 11 year old, announced as routine physical exam I went there alone by myself to a special establishment used for these type of exams. It happened children with some kind of unusual bahavior or interests. I had a problem of not wearing clothes. I was always nude and did not care who saw me. I actually enjoyed being looked at.


PREPARTIONS AND ARRANGEMENTS

I was not allowed to eat some time before the exam. I got a traditional enema before the exam to clean out my stomach. I was totally naked through all the procedures. I had to strip totally naked before the exam.
They placed me upon a simple examination table. I was also placed to lay on my stomach with my legs flexed down and spread. I got a device on a finger or a toe to measure pulse and oxygen in my blood. I got a tube or sond in through my anus. I did not get any anesthesia.

I got some numbing and lubricating cream injected into my anus. The anesthesia only took away pain. The anesthesia made me relaxed but I was conscious.

THE EXAMINATIONS THEY DID ON ME

after having some sort of cream rubbed into my anus a large smooth object was inserted that vibrated continuously. I remember getting an erection.

They examined my genitals with an ultrasound device. They had electrodes at my genitals to record functions in this area.

The doctor explored my anus with a finger. The doctor inserted his finger into my anus and felt around inside me. Then he put a second finger into me and explored with both fingers . The first one finger stimulated me to another erection and by the second finger I ejaculated on the sheets.

They inspected my anus with a speculum. They inspected me through my anus with a rigid scope. They inspected me through my anus high up with a flexible scope. They performed a full colonoscopy with a flexible scope. They inspected me through my anus with an ultrasound probe.


ARRANGEMENTS AFTER THE EXAM

I lay naked under a blanket after the exam. A nurse gave me a bed bath and thoroughly cleaned out my anus by inserting a washcloth into my anus. I had another erection and when she pulled out the cloth and it caused anothert ejaculation. After a while they released me to go home


THE SCHOOL I ATTENDED

I attended ordinary daytime school. Normal school



COMMENTS

The establishment that examined the boy belonged possibly to the child protective agency, and in aither case cooperated with that agency.

One perpose of the examination and tests was to establish the exact puberty status of the boy, and it seems like he had an early puberty maturation in his genitals. Some of the strange manipulations had the purpose of getting specimens of his secretions, and if possible of full semen. It is not sure that the secretions he ejaculated were semen yet, though.

Another purpose was to assess weather the boy had been subjected to sexual abuse. There is a tendency by child protective agencies to believe that any kind of unusual behavior, thoughts or knowledge by a kid is caused by sexual abuse, and especially when the habits have something to do with the intimate body parts or nakedness.

Certain child protective agencies work out of the hypotesis that abused kids will get certain reflectory reactions when stimulated in the anus, which is probably one reaons for the stimulative tets, but these also made it possible to easier get secretion samples. They also searched for microbes or semen from and foreign person, or for other signs of sexual behavior.

They also looked for development disturbences or functional problems in his lower digestive system and genitals that could explain his habits.

The strange washing procedure in his anus after the tests are more difficult to explain. The wash cloth used was possibly not of a big size and probably especially made for such purposes, so the procedure was probably not as goss as it sounds. Possibly the cloth was used to collect microbe and secretion samples.

Knut Holt

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Girl, Western Europe, 12-16yo extensive pelvic inspections and other tests


I am female. It happened in Western Europe 2000-2009, 2010-2014, 2015 or later, 12, 13, 14, 16 years old. I got no information before the ordeals. I went there alone by myself. It happened at the regular nurses or medical room at the school, at a health center, at a doctors office. It happened all children in my school of the age group, all children that have shown more than just standard interest for sexual matters and children in foster care homes or the like. Kids were also randomly picked up at some place and led to the exam.


PREPARATIONS AND ARRANGEMENTS

I was not allowed to eat ome time before the exam. They washed me before the exam. I got a traditional enema before the exam to clean out my stomach.

I was totally naked through all the procedures. I was placed to lay on my back with my legs flexed up, spread and mounted upon two devices. I got IV tube into blood vessels in a leg. I got a device on a finger or a toe to measure pulse and oxygen in my blood.

I got electrodes on my cheast, on my stomach, hip region, my legs amd my head. I got a tube or wire in through my urethra. I got a tube or sond in through my anus. I did not get any anesthesia.


EXAMINATION WITH EXTERNAL EQUIPMENTS

They performed an EEC (electroencephalogram) - functional test of the brain with electrodes on the head. They performed an ECG functional test of the heart function with electrodes on my chest and other body areas. They performed an analysis of my breathing and oxygen uptake where I had to breath into a tube. I had to do some physical work like cycling or running on a threadmill when the ECG and breathing analysis was performed.

They examined my head, my neck, my upper body, my stomach area, my shoulder area, my hip area, my arms and my legs with an ultrasound device or something similar.

They took x-ray pictures of my chest, stomach, shoulder area, my hips and my limbs. area, . They took stomach x-ray pictures.

They used electrodes to record functions inside my head. They used electrodes at my chest to record body functions. They used electrodes at my belly to record body functions. They ued electrodes at my limbs to record body functions.


They examined my genitals with an ultrasound device. They had electrodes at my genitals to record functions in this area.


INTERNAL INSPECTIONS

They ispected the inside of my nose with a scope They took specimens from my nose with a tube. They inspected the inside of my throut with a scope. They took specimens from my throut with a tube.

They inspected the inside of my urethra and bladder with a scope. They took specimens from my urethra with a tube. They took specimens from my bladder with a tube.

They took specimens from my vagina with a tube. They inspected my vagina with a scope. The doctor explored my vagina with a finger. They measured the depth of my vagina with some sort of dildo. It hurt a lot.

They took specimens from my anus with a tube. They inspected me through my anus with a rigid scope. The doctor explored my anus with a finger.



ARRANGEMENTS AFTER THE EXAM

I had IVs into blood vessels. I had electrodes on my head. I had electrodes on my body. I had catheter into my bladder. I had a tube going in through my anus. I lay with my legs in stirrups some time after the exam. The arrangements lasted 2 days.


THE SCHOOL I ATTENDED

I attended public boarding school.


COMMENTS

This is an extensive development and health check used on all, or a selected percentage of children in certain communities or schools around the world. The procedure seems to be internationally coordinated, probably by the WHO in participation with universities, certain foundations and medical companies.

The particular schools or communities use the procedure to assess the development and health status of the kids, but it is also used both by the communitues and internationally as a surveillance procedures directed at children and teens, and for research.

Usually the kids will get sedation or even general anesthesia for these ordeals, partly to hide what is going on, but she tells no anestesia got used.

Still she probably got some sedation, most probably through IVs. She also surely got some lubrication in her body openings with local anesthesia, even though it did not take away all pain.

Another deviation form the full procedure is the lack of a full colonoscopy, only she tells about a simpler inspection through her anus, or she might not remember the full colonoscopy.

The fact that the arrangements lasted 2 days, strongly suggest they used her for some experiments during these days and that she was put to sleep during these experiments. Another explanation might be that they adjusted something in her pelvic zone and she needed the arrangements for a couple if days to help with bodily functions


Knut Holt

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Boy, Western Europe (Germany?), schoolaged, extensive pelvic and other bodily exams

I am a male. I was a school-aged child. Year 1980 - 1989. In western Europe.


OVERVIEW OF THE ORDEAL

I was examined in a hospital. They examined my head teeth or jaws. They did an orthopedic exam. They examined my genitals. They inserted instruments into my mouth. They inserted instruments into my urinary opening. Dilatoren Katheter, Forskin Dilator .

They performed a neurologic exam with electrodes on my body. They performed an electrocardiogram of my heart. They performed a exam with electrodes on my head. They performed a full functional test of my breathing heart and blood circulation under workload.

They performed a psychological exam. They took x-rays of the examined areas. They took ultrasound pictures of the examined areas. They scanned the examined areas after injection of a radioactive isotope or contrast fluid.

PREPARATIONS

I was given pain-killing or sedative shots. I was naked at the examined body parts and at my genital/rectal zone but elsewere clothed. My positions during the exam: Childs Gyno Chair



EXAMINATION IN THE URINARY SYSTEM

They used a catheter to collect urine Urinary Bag and fill Bladder They used a caheter or tube to take specimens from my urinary system. Stent Katheter or Dilatoren. They inserted a special catheter or tube to measure something inside my urinary system. 3 Way Katheter. They inserted a scope to look into my bladder. Riged Zystoscope.

GENITAL EXCAMINATION

I also remember some othetr things that were done these were: Vas deferens tested for consistency They palpated my outar male genitals and testicles. They slid down my foreskin and spread my urinary opening. They perormed a ultrasound exam on my genitals including my testicles. They collected a semen specimen with instruments inserted into my penis. They collected a semen specimen by means of prostate massage through my rectum. They examined my my prostate with an ultrasound sond into my anus. They palpated my prostate with a finger into my rectum. They let me masturbate to collect a semen specimen.


EXAMINATION OF THE LOWER DIGESTIVE SYSTEM

They examined my rectum with an inserted finger. They took specimens from my rectum or bowel with some tube-like instrument. They took some measurements inside my rectum or bowel with a long tube-like instrument. They performed a full colonoscopic exam of my entire bowel.


SYMPTOMS AND ARRANGEMENT AFTER THE ORDEAL

I had strane irritation in my urethra and bladder zone as if this body part had been secretly examined. They catheterized me without any good purrpse as I could see. Medication as follow-up please specify: Creme or Pills for Ureheta / Penis



REASON AND JUDGEMENT

What do you think was the reason for this exam? Problems with prostata and seminal vesicles. I was called in for quite another thing but they also examined my genital and urinary zone. Ortopedie

COMMENTS

This is a standardized comprehensive examination procedure used on children and teens all over the world, but seldome spoken about. It is used to assess the development and detect problems, especially in the intimate zone. It is also used for research. The procedure and sampling of results seems to be internationally coordinated. In selected communities around the world all kids, or a random sample, are called in for the procedure at certain ages, especially the preteen period.

It is possible the reson for this boy were problems in his inner genital organs. But it is also possible many children were called in, and some problems were detected for which he got medication or the medication just had the purpose of avoiding side effects after the procedure. It also seems that they corrected some small development disturbances in his prostate region that were fixed during the procedure.

Due to the language style in the responce, this probably happened in Germany, a country I know is heavily involved in ordeals of this kind.

Knut Holt

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm">http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm</a>

The basic reason for the procedure was probably
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Boy/man, western Europe, many cystosopies during childhood and adulthood

I had cystoscopy - I am male. The exam took place in Western Europe multiple times when I was 1 Years old, 6 years old, 10 years old, 12 years old, 14 years old 16 years old, 18 years old, 20 years old, 30 - 38 years old, 40 -49 years old. It happened in the years 1970-1979, Years 1980-1989, Years 1990-1999, Years 2000-2004, Year 2005, Year 2006, Year 2007.Year 2009, Year 2011,2013,2015,2017,2019.

The cystoscpies were arranged in several ways from time to time: Cystoscopy occured in a hospital. Had cystoscopy in a special room at school apart from the rooms where ordinary physicals occured and I did not know that that special cystoscopy room at school existed, as it was some secret place.

Also doctor and nurse team was driving around in the area in an ambulance-like car. They visited homes, schools and kindergartens, took the children into the car and performed a cystoscopy on them there.


PREPRARTIONS

Got an accurate explanation of what should be done and the reason.

Got to a special preparation room. Had to undress completely and go to bed.nThe whole bed was rolled with me upon when the time for the exam had come. Taken vitals like temperature, heart rate and blood pressure. A doctor came, asked questions and explained.

Got lubricating and pain-killing fluid inserted in through the urethral ioening. Was totally naked during exam. I lay on my back with streight legs, lay on back with legs in stirrups.

WHAT I KNOW OR REMEBER ABOUT THE PROCEDURES

They put a rigid stick-like cystoscope in through the urethra. They put a flexible snake-like cystoscope in through the urethra.

They pumped up the bladder with air or gas when looking inside. They pumped up and irrigated bladder with water when looking inside. They took out the scope and inserted a new scope to take further specimens. The scope or a new intrument was inserted even further up towards the kindeys.

I am not sure, but had pain on the sides of my back as if they inserted the scope even further up towards the kindeys. They also used an ultrasond probe on the stomach to inspect the bladder area. They inserted an ultrasond probe in through the anus to inspect the bladder and genital area.They made an ultrasound exam of the scrotum and testicles. They inspected the whole colon - full colonoscopy.

ARRANGEMENTS AFTER THE EXAM

Had catheter in the bladder some time after the exam. Got medicines into urethra with a syringe after the exam.


DIAGNOSIS AND TREATMENTS

Diagnosis - urinary infection. Diagnosis - valves or constrictions in the urethra. Diagnosis - neurological problems. Diagnosis - urinary infection. Got mediaction for infection.

Got hormonal therapy or other medication for development disturbances. Had corrective surgery. Had to have a cathetherization routine. Had to have catheter in the bladder during night.


REASON AND JUDGEMENT

One reason was problems with urination. Also all boys in the area has a mandatory cystoscopy before beginning school . All prepuberty boys in the area has a mandatory cystoscopy. All teenage boys in the area has a mandatory cystoscopy as a part of the puberty assessment. Certain age groups of adults are given a offer for cystoscopy as a standard screening.The cystoscopy was also a part of a research project. It was painful.


COMMENTS

This man had several frequent cystosopies during childhood and adult life. One reason was problems with urination, another bodily development problems.

But this community also performs mandatory cystoscopies on all boys at specific ages, schoolstart, preteen and puberty. These are the typical ages for such mandatory cystosopies. Also additional exams in the lower digestive system and genitals were done which is common addition to the mandatory cystoscopies.

Some societies perform these mandatory cystoscopies only on boys, others also on girls. Possibly also girls in this community had them.

Such mandatory procedures usually have as purpose a combination of research and screenung for actual problems in the kid.

The community also offer cystopscpies as a screening procedure for adults.

These mandatory and offered procedures were also a reason for the ordeals. Such mandatory cystoscopies seems sometimes to be useful, because problems that could grow serious at a later time are detected.

It is not certain from the account if his problems were detected only by the mandatory exams, but the cystosopy at 1 year was probably done because of symptoms he had.

Knut Holt

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm">http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm</a>

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Girl, 9-13, Australia, invasive examinations to monitor puberty development

This happened in Australia with our doughter during 1970-1979 - 10, 11 , 12, 13 years old. I am filling this out on behalf of our daughter's experince. Our family dr told us of a research study tracking puberty changes until reach age of the mnstruation. Asked if happy to enroll her.
We said yes and told her would have a physical exam. We parents drove her to the exam which happened on a great ambulating van equipped for doing the exams. This happened a selected percentage of the children in our community.

We read through the study design and we knew it would need annual thing until first period.


PREPARATION BEFORE THE EXAM

She was not allowed to eat some time before the exam. Her stomach was cleaned out by a tube inserted into her anus that was connected to some pump and flush mashine. She was given a gown and she kept underwear on in the time she stayed awake. The staff took her clothes off some time before the anesthesia had made its effect.

They placed her upon something like a dentist's chair but with devices to lift her legs onto. She was placed to lay on her back with her legs flexed up, spread and mounted upon two devices. She got IVs tubes into blood vessels in an arm. She got a tube or wire in through her urethra. She got a tube or sond in through her anus. She got anesthesia gas to breath in through a mask. She got some numbing and lubricating cream injected into her urinary opening. She got lubricating and numbing cream into her vagina.

The anesthesia made her relaxed but she was conscious.


EXAMINATION WITH EXTERNAL EQUIPMENT

They performed an ECG functional test of the heart function with electrodes on her chest and other body areas. They examined her upper body with an ultrasound device or something similar. They examined her hip area with an ultrasound device or something similar. They took chest x-ray pictures. They took x-ray pictures of her hip area.

They took specimens from her throut with a tube. They used a speculum in her vagina. They took specimens from her vagina with a tube. They inspected her vagina with a scope. The doctor explored her vagina with a finger. The doctor explored her anus with a finger.

I remember thinking how invasive it looked with her in large thigh stirrups raised high and wide. They took now samples of the flora / bacteria and used ultrasound machine in her vagina to the masure ovary sizes.
Sure she wouldn't have been able to if didn't have the gas and air. She had IVs into blood vessels.


ARRANGEMENT AFTERWARDS

She just lay some time in a bed to recover. She had her underwear on after the exam. Just to come back in year and to call her if she got her period.


THE SCHOOL SHE ATTENDED

She attended public boarding school.



COMMENT

During the period and some time after there seems to have taken place a great international project exploring the puberty development of kids, of which I have several testamonials, especially from Australia-Oceania and Eastern Europe.

The procedure told about here seems to be a shorter version of a much more extensive procedure for examination of kids used permanently in communities all over the World, and which is going on now more than ever. The reason for the project was probably to study specificly the pubertal development on a much greater number of kid than those reached by the full procedure which also include full colonoscopy, cystoscopy and other endoscopies.

Knut Holt

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