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Date Posted: 11:38:39 09/17/14 Wed
Author: Kel
Subject: I think they are just being subtle about J. Clair called him a "boy" when interrogated by BJR. His fighting strength, cunning in the game, political awareness, jokingly protecting her (stolen rabbit - more for us), telling her the truth and trusting her on his background, that he is an educated man. He is always watching her, but tells jokes, etc to smooth things.>>>>
In reply to: Nifty 's message, "Jamie's development so far" on 17:44:40 09/15/14 Mon

I think we are seeing him as C sees him. Nice boy. It won't be until later that she sees what all these subtle things have revealed.
The difference between his "educated man" not being afraid at the black kirk of "demons" and Dougal having her drink from the spring. Jamie believes her because he sees something that others don't.
I think that later those that don't know the story will say - "oh, yes, now I see...."
I don't think it is so much the adultery issue, although it does make it more clear that she hasn't seen him as a love interest at this point. She gave L the horse dung, encouraged her, the first hall scene she called J to sit by L, not herself, etc. So it won't seem like "Yippee! I have an excuse to marry this hottie". LOL
Maybe she sees J as a "boy" because of the WWII "boys" she spent so much time with? Well, she won't be thinking of him as a "boy" much longer!

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[> The first time I read Outlander I didn't realize Jamie was The One -- ChloeJ, 02:01:24 09/21/14 Sun

I think it is important to try to see the show as a person who hasn't read the books several times (like I have). The first time I read Outlander I didn't even realize it was a romance. And I didn't realize Jamie was the HIA hero until the wedding. Up to that point, Claire and Jamie have some conversations together, but they are not really much more than friends. You don't get the feeling that he's all in love with her until after they are married. Dougal is by far the more important male character in the beginning after she goes through the stones. Dougal protects her from the other men, saves her from BJR, and then finds a way to prevent BJR from torturing her. He's really the hero up until the wedding night.

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[> [> Good points, all, Chloe. And yeah, Dougal was DG's originally intended hero (named after her own DH after all!), but Jamie and Claire had other ideas. *G* -- Shads, 08:53:46 09/21/14 Sun

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[> [> I too thought it would be Dougal & Claire. BUT (I'm not sure, now, after so many years and rereads) I think by the time they were on the road, and Dougal did the street number with Jamies's back, and Claire told him to hit something, and then the delicious scene at the inn when he slept at her door-- I think by that time, I was already Team Jamie. And in the series we don't see THAT Jamie so explicitly. I wonder also if they needed to flesh Dougal and make him look more domineering over Jamie, becaus BJR wasn't vilain enough. Not because he's not evil enough, no; but because, in fact, he hasn't much book time, and that wouldn't translate good on screen for teh sole vilain. He only meets Claire three times, and even memorable, they were breief episodes. I believe they needed an antagonist that was more "present" duting the whole plot. -- Rita, 14:35:40 09/21/14 Sun

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[> [> [> JHRC! So many mistakes. I canna type! -- Rita, 14:36:33 09/21/14 Sun

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