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Date Posted: 04:23:43 03/23/03 Sun
Author: Ïðîõîæèé
Subject: Re: Ñòðàõ íå îïðàâäûâàåò óáèéñòâà
In reply to: fo 's message, "Re: Ñòðàõ íå îïðàâäûâàåò óáèéñòâà" on 02:21:22 03/23/03 Sun

>Ðå÷ü êîíå÷íî íå èä¸ò î íàëè÷èè (èëè îòñóòñòâèè) ó Âàñ
>ñòðàõàâ, ã. Ïðîõîæèé, ïåðåä Èðàêîì. Ðåæèì Ñàòäàìà
>äàâèò (è óíè÷òîæàåò) íàðîäû, íàñåëÿþùèå Èðàê, àãðåññèÿ
>ðàñïðîñòðàíÿåòñÿ è çà ïðåäåëû ñòðàííû.

Åñëè àãðåññèÿ ðàñïðîñòàíÿåòñÿ, åå ìîæíî (õîòÿ ñîìíåâàþñü, ÷òî íóæíî) ñäåðæèâàòü, êàê ýòî ïðîèçîøëî, êîãäà Èðàê íàïàë íà Êóâåéò.

Ðîññèè, ïî-âèäèìîìó, áûëî áû äàæå âûãîäíî, åñëè áû Èðàê óñèëèëñÿ è âîåâàë ñî ñâîèìè ñîñåäÿìè. Ýòî îñëàáèëî áû âëèÿíèå áëèæíåâîñòî÷íîãî ðåãèîíà (äåðæàùååñÿ â îñíîâíîì íà òîðãîâëå íåôòüþ) â ìèðå, ïîçâîëèëî áû Ðîññèè îêàçûâàòü áÎëüøåå âëèÿíèå íà ìèðîâîé ðûíîê íåôòè. Äëÿ ìåíÿ î÷åâèäíî, ÷òî åñëè Èðàê áóäåò ïîä÷èíåí àìåðèêàíöàìè, òî ýòî ðû÷àãè ýòîãî âëèÿíèÿ áóäóò áîëüøåé ìåðå â ðóêàõ àìåðèêàíöåâ, òàê ÷òî íåèçâåñòíî, ñìîæåò ëè òîãäà Ðîññèÿ, äàæå åñëè îíà áóäåò êîîðäèíèðîâàòü ñâîè äåéñòâèÿ ñ ÎÏÅÊ, õîòü êàê-òî âëèÿòü íà ìèðîâûå öåíû íà íåôòü, êîòîðûå áóäóò íàçíà÷èòü èë Âàøèíãòîíà è Ëîíäîíà.


> Ò.î. òåïåðü Âû, íàäåþñü, ïîíÿëè î êàêîì ñòðàõå è äëÿ êîãî èä¸ò ðå÷ü.

Ïîíÿë. Î ïåðñîíàëüíîì ñòðàõå, ñïðîåöèðîâàííîì íà ìèðîâóþ ïîëèòèêó.


>Äà, ïî ïîâîäó Âàøåãî "Ïóñòü æèâóò, êàê õîòÿò."
>Ëþáîïûòíàÿ àíàëîãèÿ (íå î÷åíü ñòðîãàÿ..): Êîãäà
>÷å÷åíöåâ îñòàâèëè â ïîêîå, ïîñëå ïîäïèñàíèÿ ñîîòâ.
>ñîãëàøåíèé, îíè ñòàëè ñòðîèòü âåëèêóþ È÷êåðèþ
>íàìåðåâàÿñü âêëþ÷èòü â ñâîè ãðàíèöû è Àñòðàõàíü.
>Âòîðãëèñü ñ îðóæèåì â Ðîññèþ.

Åñëè Èðàê âäðóã ðåøèò âòîðãíóòüñÿ â Ðîññèþ (â ÷åì ÿ âåñüìà ñîìíåâàþñü), òîãäà è íóæíî äóìàòü î âîåííîé îïåðàöèè. Åñëè Èðàê âòîðãíåòñÿ â Êóâåéò èëè Èðàí äëÿ íàñ ýòî ïðåäñòàâëÿåò ìåíüøóþ îïàñíîñòü, íåæåëè âòîðæåíèå â Èðàê, Èðàí èëè Êóâåéò àìåðèêàíñêèõ âîéñê. Áîéòåñü ýòîãî, à íå Ñàääàìà.


> Íèêòî íå ãîâîðèò îá óíè÷òîæåíèè èðàêöåâ! Îïÿòü Âû
>ïåðåä¸ðíóëè!

Êîíå÷íî, ðàçãîâîðû óæå çàêîí÷èëèñü. Òåïåðü ÑØÀ è Âåëèêîáðèòàíèÿ ïåðåøëè ê äåëó. Èëè Âû ñêàæåòå, ÷òî â÷åðàøíèé çàëï òûñÿ÷àìè êðûëàòûõ ðàêåò ïî òåððèòîðèè Èðàêà íå áûë íàïðàâëåí íà óíè÷òîæåíèå èðàêöåâ?


>Áåçóñëîâíî, çàñòàâèòü æèòü àðàáîâ,
>èðàêñêèå ïëåìåíà êàê æèâóò íåìöû (èëè ßïîíöû)
>íåâîçìîæíî. Íî ïîä êîíòðîëü èõ âçÿòü íàäî!

À çà÷åì? ×òîáû Âû èçáàâèëèñü îò íàäóìàííîãî ñòðàõà? ×åì ìîã Ñàääàì óãðîæàòü Ðîññèè? ×åì ìîæåò Èðàê, ó êîòîðîãî è òàê îòíÿëè âñå íàñòóïàòåëüíîå îðóæèå, íåîáõîäèìîå äëÿ âåäåíèÿ ñîâðåìåííîé àãðåññèâíîé âîéíû ìîã óãðîæàòü äàæå ñâîèì ñîñåäÿì?

Âû ñêàæåòå: ðåæèì óãðîæàë ñîáñòâåííîìó íàðîäó. Äà êòî æå çíàåò îá ýòîì? Òå, êòî ñèäèò â ñòóäèÿõ BBC â Ëîíäîíå èëè â êàáèíåòàõ â Ëýíãëè? Åñëè Ñàääàì óãðîæàåò ñîáñòâåííîìó íàðîäó ïóñòü íàðîä ñàì ðåøàåò, ÷òî ñ íèì äåëàòü.


>Êàê ïîä
>"êîíòðîëåì" íàõîäÿòñÿ ìíîãèå èñëàìñêèå ãîñóäàðñòâà
>P.S Äóìàþ ã. Ïðîõîæèé íå ïûòàåòñÿ íàíåñòè êàêîé-ëèáî
>âðåä Äâèæåíèþ. Îí ïðîñòî ðàññìàòðèâàåò ôîðóì êàê
>âîçìîæíîñòü ñâîåîáðàçíîãî ïðîôåññèîíàëüíîãî òðåíèíãà :
>óìåíèÿ íàõîäèòü êîíòðàðãóìåíòû íà ËÞÁÛÅ àðãóìåíòû.

À ÷òî â ýòîì ïëîõîãî? Íå òî ëè, ÷òî ýòî ïîçâîëÿåò ðàññìîòðåòü ëþáóþ ïðîáëåìó êðèòè÷åñêè ñ ðàçíûõ òî÷åê çðåíèÿ? Ýòî, êîíå÷íî, íåêîòîðûì íåóäîáíî: ãîðàçäî ïðîùå ïîäõâàòèòü êàêîé-íèáóäü ëîçóíã èëè èäåþ è èäòè ñ íåé ïî æèçíè, íå îáðàùàÿ íè íà ÷òî âíèìàíèå.

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