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Date Posted: 07:30:36 04/10/03 Thu
Author: Ïðîõîæèé
Subject: Õîðîøåå îïðåäåëåíèå
In reply to: ÐÁÏ 's message, "Re: Äàþ îïðåäåëåíèå+" on 10:54:19 04/09/03 Wed

>Ðóññêèé òîò, êòî ñàìîîïðåäåëÿåòñÿ ðóññêèì è ïðèçíà¸òñÿ
>òàêîâûì îêðóæàþùèìè. Ê ýòîìó ìîæíî äîáàâèòü ðóññêèé
>ÿçûê â êà÷åñòâå ðîäíîãî (òî åñòü îí äîëæåí äóìàòü
>ñàìîïðîèçâîëüíî ïðåæäå âñåãî íà í¸ì), ïðàâîñëàâíûå
>âåðîèñïîâåäàíèå èëè êîðíè, îñîáûé ýòíîïñèõîëîãè÷åñêèé
>ñêëàä. Ðóññêèå ðîäèòåëè èëè õîòÿ áû îäèí, æåëàòåëüíî
>ìàòü. Èç èçâåñòíîãî ñòàëèíñêîãî îïðåäåëåíèÿ äîáàâèë
>áû îáùèå òåððèòîðèþ è ýêîíîìèêó. Íî ýòî íà âûáîð.
>Âíåøíîñòü, êðîâü, êàê ÿ ïîíèìàþ, îñîáîé ðîëè äëÿ
>ðóññêèõ íå èãðàþò, õîòÿ êàêîå-òî çíà÷åíèå èìåþò. Ìîæíî
>åù¸ ìíîãî äîáàâèòü, íî ýòè - îñíîâíûå.

Äåéñòâèòåëüíî íåïëîõîå îïðåäåëåíèå, ïðàâäà, åñëè åãî ïðèíÿòü çà îñíîâó, îñòàåòñÿ ðÿä íåîïðåäåëåííîñòåé:

1. "ïðèçíàåòñÿ òàêîâûì îêðóæàþùèìè". Îäíè îêðóæàþùèå ìîãóò ñ÷èòàòü åãî ðóññêèì, à äðóãèå - íåò. Äëÿ àìåðèêàíöåâ, íàïðèìåð, ëþáîé òàòàðèí, à òî è óçáåê - ðóññêèé (ñì. ïðèìåð ñ Òàéâàí÷èêîì). Äëÿ íåêîòîðûõ íà ýòîì ôîðóìå ëþáîé, êòî ñ íèìè â ÷åì-òî íå ñîãëàñåí - íå ðóññêèé. Íà óëèöå, áûâàåò, ëþáîé, êòî â î÷êàõ è â øëÿïå - åâðåé.

2. Âåðîèñïîâåäàíèå èëè êîðíè, âî-ïåðâûõ, î÷åíü ðàçìûòî, âî-âòîðûõ, åñëè ðóññêèé ïðèìåò èñëàì, íåóæåëè îí îò ýòîãî ñòàíåò ìåíåå ðóññêèì, ÷åì áàíäèò ñ ïóäîâûì êðåñòèêîì íà øåå, ó êîãî ïðàâîñëàâíûå êîðíè.

3. Îñîáûé ýòíîïñèõîëîãè÷åñêèé ñêëàä âîîáùå íè÷åãî íå îïðåäåëÿåò. Åñëè êòî-òî ñêàæåò, ÷òî ó òàêîãî-òî íèêàêîé íå îñîáûé ñêëàä, à ñàìûé îáû÷íûé, ÷òî òîìó âòîðîìó âîçðàçèòü? À åñëè âûëåçåò êàêîé-íèáûäü çóëóñ è çàÿâèò, ÷òî ó íåãî òîæå îñîáûé ýòíîïñèõîëîãè÷åñêèé ñêëàä, êòî ýòî îïðîâåðãíåò?

4. Òåððèòîðèÿ è ýêîíîìèêà çíà÷èòåëüíî èçìåíÿþòñÿ ñî âðåìåíåì. Åñëè èõ âêëþ÷èòü â îïðåäåëåíèå, òî îêàæåòñÿ, ÷òî ðóññêèå, êîòîðûå æèëè â 17 âåêå - ýòî íå ðóññêèå, ïîòîìó ÷òî òîãäà òåððèòîðèÿ ðàññåëåíèÿ íàðîäà îòëè÷àëàñü îò ñóùåñòâóþùåé ñåé÷àñ, à ýêîíîìèêà âîîáùå áûëà äðóãîé. Ñëåäîâàíèå ýòîìó êðèòåðèþ áóäåò îçíà÷àòü îòêàç îò óíèâåðñàëüíîñòè îïðåäåëåíèÿ è íàðóøèò ïðååìñòâåííîñòü åãî ïðèìåíåíèÿ â îòíîøåíèè ðàçíûõ ïîêîëåíèé ðóññêèõ ëþäåé.

ßçûê äîáàâèòü â îïðåäåëåíèå íå ìîæíî, à íóæíî. Òå, êòî ðàçãîâàðèâàåò íà êàêîì-ëèáî ÿçûêå ëó÷øå, ÷åì íà ðóññêîì äîëæíû ñ÷èòàòüñÿ ïðèíàäëåæàùèìè ê òîé íàöèîíàëüíîñòè, ÿçûêîì êîòîðîé îíè âëàäåþò ëó÷øå âñåãî.


> Íàïîìíèë áû òàêæå, ÷òî êðîìå àññèìèëÿöèè, ëèêâèäàöèè
>è ò.ä. åñòü è åù¸ îäèí ïóòü, õîðîøî àïïðîáèðîâàííûé â
>ñòðàíàõ Ïåðñèäñêîãî çàëèâà.

Ìíîãèì çäåñü ýòî áûëî áû íåóäîáíî. Òîãäà âñå èììèãðàíòû ñòàíîâÿòñÿ ëåãàëüíûìè, ìî÷èòü íåêîãî, äà è áîðîòüñÿ òîæå íå ñ êåì, õîòÿ îïûò ñòðàí, íà êîòîðûå Âû óêàçàëè, íà ìîé âçãëÿä, ÿâëÿåòñÿ íàèëó÷øèì.

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