VoyForums
[ Show ]
Support VoyForums
[ Shrink ]
VoyForums Announcement: Programming and providing support for this service has been a labor of love since 1997. We are one of the few services online who values our users' privacy, and have never sold your information. We have even fought hard to defend your privacy in legal cases; however, we've done it with almost no financial support -- paying out of pocket to continue providing the service. Due to the issues imposed on us by advertisers, we also stopped hosting most ads on the forums many years ago. We hope you appreciate our efforts.

Show your support by donating any amount. (Note: We are still technically a for-profit company, so your contribution is not tax-deductible.) PayPal Acct: Feedback:

Donate to VoyForums (PayPal):

[ Login ] [ Contact Forum Admin ] [ Main index ] [ Post a new message ] [ Search | Check update time | Archives: 1, 2, 3, [4] ]

[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

Date Posted: 01:26:52 02/03/03 Mon
Author: ßê
Subject: Êàê íàì æèòü
In reply to: ×óâàø 's message, "Ñàëÿì Àëåéêóì, Åâðîïà!" on 04:35:04 02/01/03 Sat

>Èíòåðåñíàÿ ññûëêà, äàæå ñòðàííî, ÷òî îáùå÷åëîâåêè
>íàïå÷àòàëè òàêîå.
>http://www.izvestia.ru/world/article29505

Äà íè÷åãî íå ñòðàííî.  "Èçâåñòèÿõ" ìíîãî ñîïëåìåííèêîâ óïîìÿíóòîé â ñòàòüå 20-òûñÿ÷íîé àíòâåðïåíñêîé îáùèíû. Âñå íîðìàëüíî, ëþäè ñâîèì ïîìîãàþò.

À âîò êàêàÿ ìûñëü ïðèõîäèò. Ìû îïàñàåìñÿ è èñëàìà, è òîðæåñòâà "îáùå÷åëîâå÷åñêèõ öåííîñòåé". Íî â òàêîì ñëó÷àå ìû ñàìè äîëæíû ïðåäëîæèòü ñâîé ïðîåêò, ñâîþ ìîäåëü îáùåæèòèÿ, êàê íàì òóò â Ðîññèè æèòü. Òå ìîäåëè, êîòîðûå òðàäèöèîííî ïðåäëàãàåò ïàòðèîòè÷åñêèé ëàãåðü: ñòàëèíèçì, ñàìîäåðæàâíàÿ ìîíàðõèÿ - ïî-âèäèìîìó, èç îáëàñòè óòîïèé, â ñîâðåìåííîì ìèðå èõ âðÿä ëè ïîëó÷èòñÿ ðåàëèçîâàòü. Íàâåðíî, è ìàññîâîå íåïðèÿòèå ýòèõ èñõîäÿùèõ îò ïàòðèîòîâ ïðîåêòîâ îáúÿñíÿåòñÿ íå òîëüêî "èñïîð÷åííîñòüþ" íàðîäà è "îêêóïàöèåé", íî è òåì, ÷òî ïîäñïóäíî ëþäè ÷óâñòâóþò - ýòî íå ñðàáîòàåò, ýòî íå ðåøåíèå äëÿ íèõ ñàìèõ è èõ äåòåé.

Åäèíñòâåííóþ àëüòåðíàòèâíóþ ìîäåëü ïðåäëàãàþò ñåé÷àñ òîëüêî "Èçâåñòèÿ", Ñêàò è êîìïàíèÿ. Îíè ïðåäëàãàþò ñîîáùà ïîâîåâàòü çà ÿêîáû îáùèé èíòåðåñ. Íàñêîëüêî îí îáùèé - åùå íåèçâåñòíî, äà è âîéíà - äåëî âðåìåííîå. Áûâàþò 30-ëåòíèå âîéíû, íî îíè òîæå çàêàí÷èâàþòñÿ. Òðàäèöèÿ ìíîãîâåêîâîé âîéíû ïðîòèâ âñåõ - ýòî "íå íàøå". Ïðîãíàòü âîðîãà, à ïîòîì îïÿòü ê ïàõîòå èëè íà ïå÷ü :-) - âîò ýòî íàøå.

Ìèð èçìåíèëñÿ, íàïëûâ íåòðàäèöèîííûõ ýòíîñîâ - îäíà èç íîâûõ äëÿ íàñ ïðîáëåì, è ìû äîëæíû ïðèäóìàòü ñïîñîá æèòü â íîâîì ìèðå. Îñíîâàòü âñå íà ñîïðîòèâëåíèè ÷åìó-òî, íà áîðüáå ïðîòèâ ÷åãî-òî, áåç ñîçäàíèÿ êîíñòðóêòèâíîé (âîïëîòèìîé) ìîäåëè îáùåæèòèÿ - íåïðàâèëüíî, òàê ïîä çíàìåíà ïðèâëå÷åøü òîëüêî ãîðñòêó îò÷àÿííûõ áîéöîâ. Ðå÷ü æå èäåò î ñîçäàíèè îáùåíàðîäíîãî äâèæåíèÿ. Çíà÷èò, äîëæíû áûòü îáùåíàðîäíûå öåëè è ïóòü ê íèì, íóæíî ýòî âíÿòíî ïðåäñòàâëÿòü. Íó, âûãîíèì àçåðáàéäæàíöåâ èç Ìîñêâû (ëåãêî ñêàçàòü... íó ïðåäïîëîæèì) - à äàëüøå ÷òî? Íà ÷åì ñòîÿòü ñîáèðàåìñÿ? ×òî ìû îòðèöàåì - ïðèìåðíî ïîíÿòíî, íî ÷òî ìû ñîáèðàåìñÿ óòâåðæäàòü? Ñîâåòñêèé îáðàç æèçíè ðàçðóøåí, è ýòî íåîáðàòèìî. Ðàçâå ÷òî íà÷àòü âñå ïî íîâîìó 70-ëåòíåìó öèêëó - íî ñëàäêî ëè áóäåò îò ýòîãî è êòî íàì ýòî ïîçâîëèò - íåïîíÿòíî. Ìîæíî íå ñòàâèòü âîïðîñ øèðîêî, à ïîïðîáîâàòü ïîðàññóæäàòü íà áîëåå óçêóþ òåìó: êàê äîëæíû âûãëÿäåòü ìåæíàöèîíàëüíûå îòíîøåíèÿ â Ðîññèè? Õîòèì ëè ìû ñîõðàíèòü ìíîãîíàöèîíàëüíîå îáùåñòâî èëè ñïëàâèòü âñå â îäíîì êîòëå? Ìíå êàæåòñÿ, ìû äîëæíû âñå ýòî õîòÿ áû ñìóòíî ïðåäñòàâëÿòü, ÷òîáû ãíåâ áûë íå ñëåïûì, ÷òîáû îí áûë èíñòðóìåíòîì, íî íå ñàìîöåëüþ.

[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

Replies:

[ Contact Forum Admin ]

Forum timezone: GMT-8
VF Version: 3.00b, ConfDB:
Before posting please read our privacy policy.
VoyForums(tm) is a Free Service from Voyager Info-Systems.
Copyright © 1998-2019 Voyager Info-Systems. All Rights Reserved.