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Date Posted: 16:47:45 02/07/03 Fri
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World Against Terror (WAT)
's message, "War on Terrorism" on 17:35:21 12/30/02 Mon
This is for all of those who still want to sit around and pretend that America does not have the right to attack Iraq, or a reason to do it now.
I want you to pay particular attention to dates, because there seems to be quite a few confused Americans concerning exactly when Saddam became a threat to us. All of these quotes are used with permission, either from the site listed, or by quoting of a open press source.
Commentary from Ted Gausmann ABOUT.COM
Principles of Islam and the teachings of Jesus Christ make it imperative on us to take the road that satisfies God and our conscience...that is the road of Jihad (holy war); Without Jihad we will not realize what we are hoping for in achieving peace and justice and saving humanity from the evils of the criminals, the murderers.
--Saddam Hussein, December 24, 2000
Two weeks later, Hussein declared, "The Iraqi people are dying to fight, and it's not just Saddam Hussein but seven million Iraqis who have volunteered, who want to fight to liberate Palestine; The Iraqi people are ready to fight the Americans and those who fight alongside the Americans."
Max- This is a direct threat to America, prior to 9-11. It gives us full legal right to self defense. It also destroys the theory that some have tried to claim, concerning Saddams aversion to using Islam in the same way Al-Qa'eda does. A "jihad" is a call to all Muslims, regardless of political stance.
"[O] ur striking arm will reach [ America , Britain and Saudi Arabia ] before they know what hit them." Al-Qadisiyah, October 6, 1994
One chemical weapon fired in a moment of despair could cause the deaths of hundreds of thousands. "Al-Quds al-Arabi, October 12, 1994
"Although Iraq 's options are limited, they exist... Iraq 's present state is that of a wounded tiger. Its blow could be painful, even if it is the last blow..." Al-Quds Al-'Arabi, June 9, 1995
[The U.S. ] should send more coffins to Saudi Arabia , because no one can guess what the future has in store."Saddam Hussein, Iraqi Radio, June 27, 1996
"What is required now is to deal strong blows to U.S. and British interests. These blows should be strong enough to make them feel that their interests are indeed threatened not only by words but also in deeds."Al-Qadisiyah, February 27, 1999
Max - All threats made after the Gulf War ceasefire, and showing a pattern of aggression over years.
U.S.S. Cole Bombing, October 12, 2000"[Iraqis] should intensify struggle and jihad in all fields and by all means..."Iraq TV, October 22, 2000
Max- By this statement, Saddam declared himself as supportive in a military attack on the United States Navy. He is guilty of sedition at the very least, and we are justified in attacking him for his own declaration concerning "intensification" following such an attack.
(After 9-11) "If the attacks of September 11 cost the lives of 3,000 civilians, how much will the size of losses in 50 states within 100 cities if it were attacked in the same way in which New York and Washington were? What would happen if hundreds of planes attacked American cities?"Al-Rafidayn, September 11, 2002 "[I]t is possible to turn to biological attack, where a small can, not bigger than the size of a hand, can be used to release viruses that affect everything..." Babil, September 20, 2001 November 13, 2001, 01:56 PM
"We are not incapable of using arms, even in the presence of the Americans and British in the north and south of the country," Saddam noted, referring to daily aerial surveillance designed partly to protect the Kurds.
Max- These are the only three quotes that I present from after 9-11. They are given to show not only Saddams support of that attack, but his threat to his neighbors, and, his threat of using biological weapons (which he now, of course, claims that he doesn't have.)
Saddam Hussein threatens to attack military bases in Gulf states Iraq, Politics, 2/15/1999
Iraqi President Saddam Hussein threatened yesterday that Iraq is capable of attacking the bases that US and British planes use in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.
Saddam Hussein threatens Kurds with use of force
Wednesday, 4 October, 2000, 13:35 GMT 14:35 UK Saddam threatens Israel By Middle East correspondent Frank Gardner
Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein has said his country could destroy Israel if it was given access to land next to the Jewish state.
Max- Again more threats to US and its neighbors, all justification for acts of self defense.
President Bill Clinton
December 16, 1998
Good evening. Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors. Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world.
February 10, 2000
BAGHDAD -- The Iraqi authorities will not allow a United Nations weapons inspection team into the country to restart disarmament activities under a Dec. 17 resolution, a top Iraqi leader said Thursday.
Max- Oh.... But this is the same Bill Clinton who doesn't think we should be taking Saddam out now. He failed to do his part in 98', and certainly can't claim that he targeted something that wasn't there can he?
UPIMarch 23, 2000
As the United Nations tried to convince Saddam Hussein to allow arms inspectors back into his outcast country, a nuclear arms control expert says the only thing Iraq lacks to make a nuclear bomb is a cache of highly enriched uranium. "Saddam Hussein is closer to having a nuclear bomb than most people think," said Gary Milhollin, director of the Washington, D.C.-based Wisconsin Project on Nuclear Arms Control, in testimony to the Senate Foreign Relations subcommittee on Near Eastern affairs.
NewsMax.com
Wednesday, July 19, 2000
Richard Butler, former U.N. weapons inspector in Iraq, expressed concern Tuesday that the boastings of a top Iraqi official regarding the country's stockpile of biological weapons may be a statement of "genocidal character" aimed at Israel. Butler, during a speaking engagement in Jerusalem, recounted a meeting with Iraqi officials, before the UN was kicked out of Iraq in 1998, when Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz said his country had biological weapons "to deal with the Zionist entity."
NewsMax.com
Wednesday, March 28, 2001
Saddam Hussein was armed with massive amounts of chemical-warfare weapons during the Persian Gulf War. He is believed to have far more now. The extent to which Iraq was prepared to deploy nerve agents sarin and cyclosarin as well as mustard gas on a large scale during that conflict with United States forces is just now beginning to surface.
Max- Now, let's talk about coincidence. Coincidence is a funny thing, it can be useless unless one can predict a pattern before events occur by collecting coincidence until it forms a pattern. And sometimes coincidence becomes powerful, too powerful to ignore. Sometimes coincidence builds a case by itself, and becomes too persistant to ignore. That kind of coincidence quickly become a preponderance of evidence that carries its' own weight.
Prior to his execution, Tim McVeigh offered to give information of National Security interest if his execution were postponed, but, the judge in charge stated that the information that was presented to him would not constitute anything that was exculpatory in nature (in other words, it wouldn't make McVeigh not guilty of the crime, only name others that were also guilty.) As we all know, Tim was executed.
Now look at the date here kids, and read it with the knowledge that no one had on that day.
Friday, April 27, 2001 1:41 a.m. EDT
McVeigh Cites Osama Bin Laden in Letter to Fox News
Responding to questions from FNC's Rita Cosby, McVeigh rejected some of the labels that have been applied to him, then tossed November 13, 2001, 01:56 PM in the chilling reference to the notorious Muslim terrorist.
"Most of the insults are meritless and quite often absurd, so I don't pay them much attention," wrote McVeigh. "Hitler? Absurd. (Geraldo Rivera uses this same analogy, so Keating and Ashcroft are in good company!) Coward? This label would make Orwell proud it is double think at its finest. Collateral Damage? As an American news junkie; a military man; and a Gulf War veteran, where do they think I learned that? (It sure as hell wasn't Osama Bin Laden!)"
In the next sentence, McVeigh mentioned convicted World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef, in perhaps another indication of a Middle Eastern connection to his own crime.
"For all else, I would refer you to my enclosed paper 'Hypocrisy,' and to Ramzi Yousef's statement to the court just prior to his sentencing. I filter all labels and insults thusly."
Last month former NBC reporter Jayna Davis told Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly that compelling evidence links McVeigh to a Middle Eastern terrorist cell ultimately controlled by bin Laden.
"What we discovered, an intelligence source at one of the highest levels in the federal government later confirmed, was a Middle Eastern terrorist cell living and operating in the heart of Oklahoma City just a few miles from the Alfred P. Murrah building," Davis said.
Her NBC affiliate had located several witnesses who claimed that an Iraqi national with ties to Saddam Hussein's Republican Guard was seen in the company of McVeigh just prior to the bombing, Davis said. The Iraqi was also seen driving away from the bomb scene in a car identified by the FBI as a possible getaway vehicle.
"We have 24 sworn witness affidavits that tie seven to eight Arab men to various stages of the bombing plot from the beginning all the way to the day in which the plot was executed," the former NBC reporter told O'Reilly.
In his 1999 book on the Oklahoma City tragedy, "Others Unknown," McVeigh's lawyer Stephen Jones made similar claims, citing a meeting in the early 1990s between World Trade Center bomber Yousef and McVeigh's partner, Terry Nichols, in the Philippines, which he called a "hotbed of fundamentalist Muslim activity."
Jones said his research shows that bin Laden was in the Philippines at the same time as Yousef and Nichols.
Max- Now.... does that sound familiar? "several witnesses who claimed that an Iraqi national with ties to Saddam Hussein's Republican Guard was seen in the company of McVeigh" Sounds like much of the same claim made about Muhammed Atta after his attacks of 9-11 doesn't it?
Of course, we had no "proof" of the Atta meeting, just as twenty four sworn witnesses doesn't prove an Arab plot in Oklahoma city, much less an Iraq connection. But coincidence? Not really. With our knowledge now, after 9-11, the weight of such claims becomes unbearable.
We know that Yousef had contact with Iraq, it came out in his trial. He received both logistical support and financing from Saddam. Coincidence is wearing pretty thin by now.
But we can go farther: On 9-11 the NSA intercepted a cellphone call between Ansar Al-Islam agents in northern Iraq and a security agent in Saddams personal guard in downtown Baghdad. Nothing big in itself, at least not by itself. But that same phone made a call to Abu Zarqawi in Afghanistan on that very same day. Abu is a top Al-Qa'eda operative, who was in direct contact with Mohammed Atta prior to his attacks.
We might have been able to listen for a long time had not a democrat named D-Ash-hole or something, released the fact that we could intercept cell phone conversations to the media after being briefed about it in a confidential security meeting! By coincidence, all cell phone use stopped by Al-Qa'eda and Ansar Al-Islam agents after USA today reported we were listening. And of course, by coincidence, Saddam ordered that his staff stop using cell phones as well.
Abu Zarqawi was wounded in Afghanistan during our early campaign there. He then went to Baghdad and had his leg amputated by one of Saddams personal doctors. This is a proven fact, because Jordan caught him there and demanded his extradition, which was refused by Saddam himself (he was the only one who could refuse such a thing).
This last bit, by itself, places Saddam Hussein in the position of providing our known enemy with support, and haven. And we will make no distinction between our enemies, and those who support them!
I've had enough of coincidence, and conspiracy sounding maybe's or perhaps'. I have had enough of self doubt and self loathing by my fellow countrymen!
Saddam has declared himself an enemy of the United States of America. He has shown himself to be my enemy by providing assistance, support, and shelter, to those who would harm my family, and have openly attacked my country!
There is a season for everything, and it has come to war. Saddam has outlived the extent of my doubt, and the doubts of my freinds that are entering his country to put an end to his threats and games. Freinds like Capt. Jeremy Griffith, Spec. Thomas Barkowicz, Capt. Wayne Schlangen, Maj. Randy Wendt, Sgt. 1st class Dan Henry and his twin daughters Amy and Amanda, Sgt. Ira Seals, and dear, dear freinds, like Lt. Col. James Markel.
I would hate to lose any of them in war, as I would hate to lose any American life fighting a genetic cesspool like Saddam and his family.
But I agree with Jimmy, "It is time to take steps of action and resolve, so that others will not need to tomorrow!"
Give em' Hell Jim, because my family will only be safe when he is there, and can not return.
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