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Subject: Hmm.....By what standard do we define "natural?"

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Peanut Gallery
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Date Posted: 23:06:58 09/29/02 Sun
In reply to: chadi 's message, "Well having sex or masturbating more than 3 times everyday is not something natural. And that's what Lesli's case is..." on 22:49:42 09/29/02 Sun

I usually point out in my human sexuality class, that although animals do engage in homosexual behavior, it is not particularly informative to look to animals for information about what is "normal". Many (most?) human behaviors are unparalleled among animals, but does that make them abnormal? That is, we fly airplanes, drive cars, sit on chairs, wear socks and engage in 1000s of other behaviors which animals don't. So should we consider such behaviors abnormal?

Also animals are so varied in their behavior that we can pick almost any sexual behavior and find an animal which supports this particular behavior as "normal". Here is a list that I share with my human sexuality students (from Nevid and Rathus, Feb 1992 reported in a instructors manual):

1. Though wolves and beavers generally keep a mate for life, most mammals copulate with multiple partners thoughout their sexual careers. Is nature serving as a model for promiscuity?

2. Rhinoceri mate continiously for one and a half hours. The male ejaculates numerious times with his two-feet-long penis. For chimpanzees, it is all over in less than 30 seconds. Which scenario provides the "natural" model for humans?

3. The female Praying Mantis decapitates the male and eats his head during copulation as a form of fodder. (His nether parts continue to thrust). Is nature saying that males should literally lose their heads in love? Should sex literally consume us? Is the Mantis' nature a wry comments on the value of male's brains?

4. The male porcupine will thoroughly douse the female with urine before mating. (No comment).

5. Cobras of both sexes strike at each other for an hour or more before mating. Is nature advocating S & M?

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Yeah I know, I know, ... same story. I didn't mean to say "natural".... It was just a rushing mistake. What I meant is "healthy", and normal for a psychologically balanced person. So please forgive me for my so harmful mistake. I'm really sorry. I still can't believe what I did. Do you know what "healthy" mean. It means both physically and psychologically. Do you think Lesli is a balanced person? (NT) chadi 00:46:10 09/30/02 Mon

I don't know enough about her to make a satisfactory diagnosis. -- Peanut Gallery, 03:52:34 09/30/02 Mon

Re: I don't know enough about her to make a satisfactory diagnosis. -- Lesli, 10:17:17 09/30/02 Mon
Peanut...i dont post at any other boards, i do have a small webpage though. (NT) -- Lesli, 10:21:42 09/30/02 Mon
Aren't all her posts on this forum, especially the deleted ones, enough for a good diagnosis. (NT) -- chadi, 14:55:52 09/30/02 Mon

No Chadi, fortunatly, we all do not judge other humans based on limited knowledge we have of them,unlike you. (NT) -- Lesli, 15:59:45 09/30/02 Mon

I don't think I asked you any question... I don't care about asking you who you mean by "we". Do you know the person to whom I adressed the question? Your mental illness is still severe. They shouldn't let you out of the asylum that early! (NT) -- chadi, 21:59:59 09/30/02 Mon
... and by the way, you've just reminded me of your foolness, which I especially encountered when I was teaching you how to play hearts, which is a very very easy cards game. Have you ever tried to measure your IQ ? (NT) -- chadi, 22:18:36 09/30/02 Mon

teach me how to play hearts? did it ever occur to you that i neither wanted to learn how to play, OR gave a fuck about that game? guess not. ill be leaving now, dont expect to hear from me again, me AND kelley are now ignoring you. (NT) -- Lesli, 23:57:02 09/30/02 Mon

My diagnosis -- Peanut Gallery, 01:41:19 10/01/02 Tue

Re: Yeah I know, I know, ... same story. I didn't mean to say "natural".... It was just a rushing mistake. What I meant is "healthy", and normal for a psychologically balanced person. So please forgive me for my so harmful mistake. I'm really sorry. I still can't believe what I did. Do you know what "healthy" mean. It means both physically and psychologically -- Lesli, 10:28:10 09/30/02 Mon