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Date Posted: 11:15:51 06/07/03 Sat
Author: Camus
Subject: You lacked info
In reply to: Grizlas 's message, "dissagree a bit" on 08:40:30 06/07/03 Sat

>Taken into account the "enter the matrix" game,
>specifically the statement from the oracle, I am
>inclined to agree with you with regard to his nature.
>He's a nasty evil selfish fellow, an ancient Cypher.
>
>Names in the matrix movies are not to be taken
>litterally though. The names all have multiple
>meanings, and should not be taken only to represent
>one of those meanings (w. bros chat :
>http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/cmp/larryandychat
>.html).
>
>By our first assumption that the Merovingian is evil,
>we must conclude that the Oracle is good. The
>Merovingian wants to stop Neo, thus we know that the
>Oracle is good because the Merovingian is punishing
>the Oracle for helping Neo. The Oracle doesnt exactly
>say that it is helping Neo, but if the above logic is
>correct, we can take the Niobe/oracle transcript to
>mean that it does.
>
>The term "intuitive program" fits the demeanor of the
>Oracle well, since it seemingly embraces human emotion
>much more than many of the human characters do. The
>name Oracle doesnt have to mean word of God. The word
>has several meanings among whom are temple, prophet,
>speak(oral). Also, one of the most famous database
>programs we have is called Oracle.
>
>When the Architect speaks of the mother, it is direcly
>in context to Neos question: "The Oracle?". This is
>very clear to me, and also there is no reason to
>believe that the Architect doesnt know who Neo is
>referring to, and in the same manner unlikely that the
>architect would continue to explain knowing that Neo
>misunderstood him so completely. In other words, the
>Architect says that the Oracle is the mother of the
>matrix, and unless he's lying, in which case all
>speculation is futile, so it must be.
>
>I believe the Oracle chose to tell Neo where the
>Keymaker was, not because it was ordered to by the
>Architect or was in league with him, but because it
>saw it as part of his path. It says that the path is
>made by the many. That includes the Oracle as well.
>
>This raises an interesting and old paradox about Free
>Will which I believe to be the cornerstone of these
>films. If the Oracle knows the future, then it also
>knows what it will do tomorrow, and is therefore only
>a puppet as it cannot make a different choice and thus
>has no choice at all. As we know, the Oracle doesn't
>claim to know all the future, only the path of the
>One. But nevertheless, 10 minutes before it told Neo
>where the keymaker was, it knew that it was going to
>do just that and therefore had no choice in the
>matter.
>
>So far so good, now we can look at the words about
>choices and the future : "we can never see past the
>choices we dont understand" To understand a choice in
>the most absolute form (perhaps the only way any AI
>can) is to know what the choice will be beforehand.
>
>A machine is only electronics. It has no Free Will,
>since Free Will is in itself completely metaphysical.
>It completely defies logic that it is possible to
>produce an outcome without facts, that is make a
>choice between two options without letting some kind
>of information govern the choice. This is the same
>reason why computers have such great problems
>randomizing. In fact there doesnt exist a computer
>that can pick a random number as there always has to
>be precise facts that govern which number is picked.
>So Computers and AI dont have a choice, and they can
>only predict the future as far as they can calculate
>it, just like scientists. The question is where the
>Oracle gets the information from that lets it
>calculate the path of the One. I presume it has this
>information because it has witnessed 5 previous Ones.
>
>The Oracle says to Neo: "You have already made the
>choice, now you have to understand it". This means in
>machine speak that Neo, who doesnt know what choice
>he's made, never had and never will have a choice. Yet
>if he want's to know what the outcome will be, he
>needs to know the "why", the factors that he will be
>presented with. If he knows the factors, then he can
>know the choice. And here the line "know thyself"
>makes sense, since if you do not know how you're going
>to react to a given set of facts, you will not be able
>to predict how you will respond if there isn't any
>Free Will.
>
>Enough rambling for now I think :)

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