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Date Posted: 23:00:04 01/09/04 Fri
Author: Joe Taylor
Author Host/IP: wc12.wlfdle.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com / 66.185.84.79
Subject: Excellent article, Robert - thanks
In reply to: Robert 's message, "An article I don't recommend for those in favour of Bush...." on 14:35:13 01/09/04 Fri

For some reason, the people I can best relate to in American politics are moderate Republicans who oppose Bush. Democrats, as Phillips said, are too afraid of their own shadow, and are overly populistic, plus they talk too much about victory and about strategy - there are some exceptions, like Talking Points Memo, but this is the general rule. Buchanan Republicans also oppose the war, but talk way too much about "America first," patriotism, religion, etc., and in fact I find them scarier than Bush. Moderate Republicans are mostly secular (the site that was the most pro-Dean because Dean seemed secular at the time was Republicans for Dean) and usually vote Republican on economics more than anything else, and thus I have more in common with them than I do with Democrats like, say, Gephardt, who's a conservative in the European tradition (pro-welfare, protectionist, pro-war, nationalist, etc.), apart from his union connections.

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[> [> Read there about the ' Space Station Freedom'.... *L* -- Robert, 14:02:41 01/10/04 Sat (host093025.phil.uni-erlangen.de/131.188.93.25)

and an article about colonizing mars because of overpopulation here. It's simply ridiculous.
Actually the increase of population is reducing, we're approaching the peak, and a pretty easy way to further reduce it would be to stop Catholic Church from opposing prevention of conception and stuff. Improving the living conditions works too, people who do well generally have fewer kids. All this pretty cheap comared with such Mars colonization stuff.


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[> [> [> Well, we're still several billions from the peak... -- Joe Taylor, 20:01:09 01/10/04 Sat (wc03.wlfdle.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com/66.185.84.70)

But it's highly unlikely that the population growth in the 21st century will surpass this of the 20th century, in terms of percentages. The percentage rate of population growth peaked in 1990, IIRC, and the absolute increase in population is very close to its peak (I'm not sure from which direction) now. The expected population of the planet in 2050 is 10 billion, while by 1950-2000 growth rates, we'd expect it to be something like 14 billion.

I can't find the article about Mars' colonization, anyway. Can you link me to it?


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[> [> Sure thing.... -- Robert, 11:54:02 01/11/04 Sun (host093025.phil.uni-erlangen.de/131.188.93.25)

it's this part:

(January 09, 2004 -- 08:10 PM EDT // link // print)

"Affirming his commitment to manned space exploration, President Bush said Friday that his new budget will significantly boost funding for Space Station Freedom and other programs intended to help send astronauts back to the moon and to Mars and beyond."
Los Angeles Times
January 25th, 1992

As it happens, I'm an inveterate supporter of manned space exploration. But I couldn't miss the feeling of deja vu.

And where's the money come from on this one? I thought we were halving the deficit in five years.

And who gets the Martian reconstruction contracts?
-- Josh Marshall


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[> [> [> Ah... Yeah, I knew about that blog post; I just forgot about it. -- Joe Taylor, 17:19:28 01/11/04 Sun (wc03.wlfdle.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com/66.185.84.70)


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