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Date Posted: 23:05:23 01/09/04 Fri
Author: Joe Taylor
Author Host/IP: wc03.wlfdle.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com / 66.185.84.70
Subject: Not just his popularity - his almost having been elected, too
In reply to: Robert 's message, "And here another one ONLY for Larry...." on 15:38:10 01/09/04 Fri

There are some people who are conservative enough that they'd vote for Bush anyway, despite his ignorance of foreign affairs. But why did centrists and moderate conservatives vote for him? The Kevin Phillips article says that about 1/2 of the Bush voters believe in armageddon. We can rightly consider belief in armageddon to be a form of stupiditiy, ignorance, or both, so if we just exclude that then we get a Gore victory of almost 2-to-1 ("almost" because a few Gore voters believe in armageddon, too).

Robert, you know about Germany more than I do: how many Bundestag seats do you think a party with a leader who doesn't know the name of France's president can get - 100? 150?

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[> [> [> [> I'm don't understand how otherwise intelligent people are able to believe stuff that blatantly contradicts experience.... -- Robert, 12:19:05 01/11/04 Sun (host093025.phil.uni-erlangen.de/131.188.93.25)

That is I know why they do it, but I don't understand why they completely switch to a belief concept and trash all evidence that doesn't fit in.

Different from you I'm pretty sure that the biblical stuff is widely is correct. However, basic requirement is that it has to match my own experience and any scientific results, and additionally has to make sense in itself. This eliminates for example any literal understanding of the genesis thing. The older the stuff the more it's mythological, it originates from different sort of consciousness, experience and approach, and has to be translated into current mode. That's pretty difficult, partly it gets researched nowadays. The same applys to revelation and in a minor degree to the gospels. To take the stuff literally generally causes misunderstanding and results in shit. The armageddon thing for example is a mythological term and addresses essential time, not the usual one. Same with the end of the world thing, nuts are expecting to come throughout the past 2000 years, always in vain. It's just ridiculous.

The danger with such guys, expecially with one of them now in charge of US power, is that they might try to execute armageddon, more or less consciously. The last one who attempted to do it was Hitler. The result wasn't fun. I hope it's possible to stop the insanity this time.
Nice article The Bush Hitler Thing. - It's somewhat problematic though to adress such stuff here because it upsets our Missouri guys. Hopefully they'll not read it. :)


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