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Date Posted: 10:44:01 01/17/04 Sat
Author: Robert
Author Host/IP: host093025.phil.uni-erlangen.de / 131.188.93.25
Subject: I guess I'm not too bad in estimating people, I've trained it quite a bit....
In reply to: Joe Taylor 's message, ""Clark has pretty good moral standards" - do you have any evidence of that, except fancy talk?" on 08:35:58 01/17/04 Sat

and though I don't very much of Clark, I'm sure he's honest. Most politicians aren't, the current administration is a good example.

The label 'American' isn't meaningless, same thing elsewhere. It's a certain level of everyones identity or maybe say the material you're provided with when growing up or immigrating and living there. It's possible that someone grows up in America and nevertheless is european. Twaim for example was pretty much American, Poe wasn't. Another issue it whether someone represents just a regional part, or whether he's able to represent a nation. Highest level of couse is to represent humanity, but it's only some few people who manage, and this still contains the national etc stuff.

Ghandi was human - Hitler wasn't, he was below the lowest animal. Just to have human shape doesn't mean you're human. That is every kid has the chance to become human, it's not a given thing. It's a quest, and most people fail quite a bit.


Mail address is: rtschwab@web.de - but I rarely check it, you better inform me here about having sent me a mail, else it might take a month or so until I notice. :)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Then why do you call a certain set of beliefs "American"? -- Joe Taylor, 19:46:12 01/17/04 Sat (wc03.wlfdle.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com/66.185.84.70)

It seems that Clark's honesty so far stems from his being much less vulnerable to sacking. In the military, he could do all he could to minimize civilian casualties in Serbia and continued till Clinton sacked him. In politics, he has to appease the people, who don't give a flying fuck about non-American civilian casualties.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I don't call a 'set of belief' American.... :) -- Robert, 11:31:57 01/18/04 Sun (lethe.phil.uni-erlangen.de/131.188.93.24)

it's rether a 'set of being' - human too isn't a 'set of belief'.

To be honest is basic part of ones character, and the resulting actions are honest because of this base, not because of the circumstances, same as inhonest actions are refused because of this base, even if they would mean profit. Nobody is absolutely honest, but there are people who represent it quite a bit.

According to the abundance of lies, deception and stuff of the current US administration it's absolutely clear that these guys give a damn about honesty - and everyone who justifies it does the very same, even if he isn't aware of if.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Alright... Why is this attitude "truely American"? -- Joe Taylor, 00:21:01 01/19/04 Mon (wc03.wlfdle.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com/66.185.84.70)


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> What attitude?..... -- Robert, 14:12:04 01/19/04 Mon (host093025.phil.uni-erlangen.de/131.188.93.25)

Nations have different sets of abilities and stuff, sort of basic mental shape. In border regions it's somewhat mixed, same if for example kids of ambassadors grow up in another county.
The american mode differs quite a bit from the one here, it wasn't easy to get some understanding of it. Switching to it - guess I'm too old to manage - would mean to lose the one I currently have.

Everyone who grows up in America is American, more or less, depending on the special situation of his growing up. But this doesn't mean to be able to represent America, for example because of being dominated by some regional identity.
Additionally the 'set of abilities' is accompanied by a 'set of disabilities'. The term 'true' sort of indicates that such a person has managed to realize the available ability set.


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