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Date Posted: 11:49:21 01/18/04 Sun
Author: Robert
Author Host/IP: host093025.phil.uni-erlangen.de / 131.188.93.25
Subject: Actually it's rather you who hit the zero-substance thing....
In reply to: Heroic Zero-Substancy Stuff 's message, "THAT is zero-substance. Not only that, it has to be dumbest thing I've ever heard." on 13:35:22 01/17/04 Sat

you didn't even manage to point out what you mean - did you mean what Joe says about Moore by chance. :)

The 'no government' thing as Joe intends is a nice concept, and as concept it has ideally substance. What you say has at most emotional substance. *L*

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Nice concept? It's the most flawed logic I've ever heard. It exists because people cannot survive without it, and there's no way you can disprove it other than ridiculous theories that have no intention but to belittle the President. That's all there is to it, Robert, and you know it. -- Heroic Anarchy, 15:40:05 01/18/04 Sun (68-184-14-199-rcp3.ubr1.wrbg.mo.charter.com/68.184.14.199)


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> You're *still* not refuting my arguments -- Joe Taylor, 00:25:49 01/19/04 Mon (wc03.wlfdle.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com/66.185.84.70)

The no government idea is to see whether the government can function without a president and a congress, or, more precisely, if the president is needed. Given a better situation, this shouldn't even be an issue, but since it seems that government practice remains the same regardless of who's in power, I suspect that government can function without any preisdent (a dictatorship is out of the question as an alternative because it'll give the president more power, whereas in a democracy the election doesn't change anything but still weakens government). Call it an experiment with anarchism if you'd like.

P.S. No president needs me to belittle him - whoever is in power always has enough skeletons in the closet that truth is one of the things that belittle him.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Then why do it? -- Hero of Time, 12:20:18 01/19/04 Mon (68-184-14-199-rcp3.ubr1.wrbg.mo.charter.com/68.184.14.199)


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Seems you're too sure about too many things... :) -- Robert, 13:04:41 01/19/04 Mon (host093025.phil.uni-erlangen.de/131.188.93.25)

government is just one way to deal with stuff beside others. And additionally the various goverment concepts are pretty different.
It's not a bad thing to reduce government as far as possible (depends on the respective society) - opposit concept is to have government control as much as possible, not the best way to deal with the issue as history shows.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Limited government is one thing, sure. I just don't believe for an instant that humans can survive without some breed of government. -- Heroic Depotism, 14:24:44 01/19/04 Mon (68-184-14-199-rcp3.ubr1.wrbg.mo.charter.com/68.184.14.199)


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Nevertheless there are societies where they do..... :) -- Robert, 15:23:22 01/19/04 Mon (host093025.phil.uni-erlangen.de/131.188.93.25)

sure, that's so called primitive ones, but nevertheless.

Government as authority is increasingly reduced, at least over here. And it's possible to develop a society that doesn't need such stuff anymore.
But of course every somewhat complex society will always need some sort of administration to organize stuff. Joe has pointed out that his his no government concept doesn't apply this part.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> *Devour Robert* -- Maw of Time, 09:49:59 01/20/04 Tue (68-184-14-199-rcp3.ubr1.wrbg.mo.charter.com/68.184.14.199)


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> devour = devours -- Instinctively Inclined Erratum Rectification Wizard, 09:51:06 01/20/04 Tue (68-184-14-199-rcp3.ubr1.wrbg.mo.charter.com/68.184.14.199)


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I know - I never said no government, I just said no politicians. The administration, police forces, army, even courts will stay. -- Joe Taylor, 01:43:56 01/20/04 Tue (wc03.wlfdle.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com/66.185.84.70)

This is an important experiment because failure will kill the small-government meme, whereas success will dispel some of the myths of democracy (not just American democracy - the myth that elections really change things in practice is prevalent in all democracies) and will give us a government that tries to justify its existence rather than taking it for granted.


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