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Date Posted: 16:55:44 10/28/02 Mon
Author: kris
Author Host/IP: cache-rl01.proxy.aol.com / 152.163.189.97
Subject: Re: The age of Punk Hypocrisy
In reply to: Jon 's message, "The age of Punk Hypocrisy" on 16:31:54 10/27/02 Sun


first of all, I love how people on the internet bitch and complain and don't even have the courage to put their email or real name. second "Every president who has gone to war has had detractors who said it was wrong, but in the end they were justified." ok how do you justify our involvement in Vietnam? thousands of Americans lost their lives for no reason... third, what the hell are you talking about with this anarchy bullshit, why does everyone say we are a bunch of anarchists? we have never said anything about it in anyway, and opposing war and saying your an anarchist are totally different.




>The current situation with America's involvement with
>Iraq has obviously spurred much debate here as well as
>around the rest of the country. Unlike most of you
>writing to with your emotions I have some well thought
>out and poigant arguments considering reasons why what
>we are doing is just and right.
>
>Argument 1: War is Wrong
>
> War is not pretty or nice but it is neccesary. It is
>because of the possiblity and implementation of war
>that we are a country today. There were people in
>colonial times who wanted to negotiate with England
>because they thought war was wrong. That got us no
>where and so we fought and became free. From there we
>go 1812. Yet another war with England, this time over
>shipping and trade routes. If we hadn't gone to war to
>defend our rights to trade we wouldn't have developed
>as a country and probably would have been taken over
>by another country. WWI and WWII were fought because
>the only thing needed for evil to win is for good to
>stand around and do nothing. If we had tried to
>persuade Germany to stop its pusuits of conquest with
>just political pressure there wouldnt a europe today
>just germany. With the resources of europe at its
>command, germany could eventually have gotten a
>foothood on american soil. This is a war on an unjust
>country and system of goverment. Just as it always has
>been throughout our history.
>
>Argument 2: We never went after Iran, Pakistan,
>Lebanon, Iraq or China. Even though they harbor
>terrorists
>
> We have. Thats what covert ops are for. China doesnt
>harbor terrorists they have criminal empires dumb ass.
><---thats for you MC
>
>Argument 3: We are terrorists ourselves
>
> Have you ever seen us go fly and airplane into an
>arabic market place????? Whats that? NO. We use
>restraint. We pick military targets based on the
>threat that they pose. We use precision strikes that
>leave the surrounding area unscathed. Seal teams and
>Special forces may infiltrate a strong hold and
>eliminate a tyranic leader but the dont kill with out
>provocation.
>
>Argument 4: Bush is a dumb ass
>
> History is the judge of greatness. Every president
>who has gone to war has had detractors who said it was
>wrong, but in the end they were justified. People say
>that he should concentrate on the declining economy
>and rising unemployment on the homefront. The Economy
>went up for a long time. what goes up must come down.
>People thought that we should stay out of WWII because
>of the same reasons. Look where that got us. Millions
>of people died when we did nothing. Death is
>inevitable but the death of an innocent person is a
>tragedy and should be avenged.
>
>Argument 5: The UN doesnt support us and we are
>pissing more people thus making more enemies
>
> Who gives a fuck! We practically are the UN. They
>just dont want people trying to blow up their country.
>Its called having an enemy concentrate on one target
>so as to build up your own defenses. The rest of the
>world are pussies except for Russia and China. They
>are the only other countries out there right now with
>real balls. To do anything.
>
>Argument 6: We kill innocent people because of thier
>goverment.
>
> If we did that there wouldnt be any one left in the
>middle east. Havent you heard of foriegn aid to
>developing countries that are in the trasition from a
>tyranical goverment to a democracy. Besides if we
>really wanted to kill everyone for what they believe
>that what NUKES are for.
>
>Argument 7: Anarchy is better
>
> DUMB ASS. the reason that you can go to sleep at
>night and feel safe is because of order. with out it
>we would be reduced to a hunter/gathering society that
>barely ecks out and existance. There would be no
>readily availible food, medicine or shelter. there
>wouldnt be PS2 games either. Unlike you i like to go
>to sleep and know that someone isnt going to come slit
>my throat at night. For whoever is the leader in your
>band i hope anrachy exists in it so you will get
>nothing done, become a has been musician, who flips
>burgers for the rest of your life.

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