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Subject: Dena takes up the torch! Gogogog!

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Jake

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Date Posted: 10:32:09 06/15/03 Sun
In reply to: Dena 's message, "From fansubs to capitalist vs communist philosophy..." on 21:04:44 06/14/03 Sat

Thanks, now I actually *can* be brief, since you took the hard part. :) I have only a few things I want to respond to from Dave's post:

>The point I was trying to make is a bit more abstract
>- think a bit more "outside the box" for a minute. ;)

Yes, I did realize that you were being very abstract, but as I actually said in my post that got eaten, I think your philosophy is *too* abstract and fails to address the reality that Dena so eloquently describes.

>There is a societal argument against IP, as well. The
>individual might gain (in a temporary capitalistic
>sense) by "owning" an idea, but as long as the idea is
>limited to that person, society cannot gain from it.
>History bears this out - successful cultures,
>especially those we consider "enlightened," were
>successful because they benifited from the spread and
>exchange of ideas.

Owning ideas does not result in people keeping them to themselves. IP rights are in place to ensure that people are rewarded for creating and sharing them. History bears this out as well--almost all of the technology and art we enjoy today is or was at some point protected by patent/copyright law.

>However, I find it
>slightly offensive that you claim, "without protection
>of IP, there is no incentive to innovate or create art
>because anyone can take it and start selling it or
>giving it away." This implies that people innovate and
>create art for money, which is completely backwards.

I didn't mean that there is no reason at all to innovate or create art without IP protection. By incentive I meant... external justifcation, to use psychology jargon. Of course people will still innovate and create art for personal satisfaction, but in a captitalist society, IP protection is needed for people, and especially companies, to be able to devote themselves to these activities and still prosper.

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Subject	Author	Date
Re: capitalist incentives	Adrian	21:31:06 06/15/03 Sun