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Subject: 4th Amendment decision


Author:
Katy
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Date Posted: 11:10:52 06/16/06 Fri

I just read this editorial this morning about a decision the Supreme Court made concerning 4th amendment right. No matter what side you take on it I thought it was important to know about this decision. Here's the editorial:

June 16, 2006
Editorial
The Don't-Bother-to-Knock Rule
The Supreme Court yesterday substantially diminished Americans' right to privacy in their own homes. The rule that police officers must "knock and announce" themselves before entering a private home is a venerable one, and a well-established part of Fourth Amendment law. But President Bush's two recent Supreme Court appointments have now provided the votes for a 5-4 decision eviscerating this rule.

This decision should offend anyone, liberal or conservative, who worries about the privacy rights of ordinary Americans.

The case arose out of the search of Booker T. Hudson's home in Detroit in 1998. The police announced themselves but did not knock, and after waiting a few seconds, entered his home and seized drugs and a gun. There is no dispute that the search violated the knock-and-announce rule.

The question in the case was what to do about it. Mr. Hudson wanted the evidence excluded at his trial. That is precisely what should have happened. Since 1914, the Supreme Court has held that, except in rare circumstances, evidence seized in violation of the Constitution cannot be used. The exclusionary rule has sometimes been criticized for allowing criminals to go free just because of police error. But as the court itself recognized in that 1914 case, if this type of evidence were admissible, the Fourth Amendment "might as well be stricken."

The court ruled yesterday that the evidence could be used against Mr. Hudson. Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for the majority, argued that even if police officers did not have to fear losing a case if they disobeyed the knock-and-announce rule, the subjects of improper searches could still bring civil lawsuits to challenge them. But as the dissenters rightly pointed out, there is little chance that such suits would keep the police in line. Justice Scalia was also far too dismissive of the important privacy rights at stake, which he essentially reduced to "the right not to be intruded upon in one's nightclothes." Justice Stephen Breyer noted in dissent that even a century ago the court recognized that when the police barge into a house unannounced, it is an assault on "the sanctity of a man's home and the privacies of life."

If Justice Sandra Day O'Connor had stayed on the court, this case might well have come out the other way. For those who worry that Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito will take the court in a radically conservative direction, it is sobering how easily the majority tossed aside a principle that traces back to 13th-century Britain, and a legal doctrine that dates to 1914, to let the government invade people's homes.

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michael
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Date Posted: 11:25:34 07/17/06 Mon

No knock warrants have been in use long before this ruling. Previous court rulings have allowed them because knocking on drug dealer's doors and announcing the presence of the cops will give the residents time to run, ditch the contraband or arm themselves.

The question we should be asking in response to rulings like this one is: Do we really want a Constitutional system of government? My answer is absolutely yes. Other folks however, will equivocate when they realize what that means. If you don't like the federal government trashing the Constitution in regard to the 4th Amendment then you should also be against them trashing it in regard to the 1st, 2nd, 5th, 9th and 10th as well. The McCain/Feingold act restricted political speech in direct contradiction of the First Amendment and every law Congress has passed exempting religion from taxation, restricting prayer in school or any religious expression anywhere is also in direct contradiction to the First Amendment. There are more than 20 thousand laws on the books that infringe the Right to keep and bear arms that the Second Amendment says shall not be infringed. The Fourth Amendment hasn't been in force in any effective way since the beginning of the "War on Drugs", because there are so many court granted exceptions to it for the convenience and safety of the "authorities". In order to correct the damage to the Ninth and Tenth Amendments the federal government would have to discontinue about 95 percent of its current activities including but not limited to the Department of Education, the FDA, the DEA, the BATFE, the NEA and the FCC.

The chance of the U.S. returning to a truly Constitutional government are slim in any case because we haven't had such a government since about 1865.

I'm glad more people are realizing that we have a problem with the federal government but if you think it started with GWB you're about 140 years behind the curve.

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