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Subject: Re: Outside looking in


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michael
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Date Posted: 00:26:11 02/21/05 Mon
In reply to: Katy 's message, "Re: Outside looking in" on 21:34:05 02/20/05 Sun

In fact I differentiate between the "liberal" point of view that is espoused by the liberal leadership and the point of view held by the rank and file liberal.

I know from my own experience that most liberals are caring and compassionate people who want whats best for the poor and disadvantaged. Unfortunately I think those people have been co-opted by the leadership that is far less worried about what's best for people and is far more concerned about acquiring and retaining power. The reason there is such a vocal crowd in the OBOE camp is not because of the President's record which has been far too accommodating to big government for conservatives (libertarian and republican). The OBOE crowd is there because the "liberal" leadership spin machine has demonized the Pres. at every turn, making him sound like Satan's Sock Puppet and the rank and file liberals have bought the spin.

I've heard a lot of conservatives and libertarians complaining about Bush's liberal inclinations. He boosted the budget for the Education department (liberal behavior), he imposed tariffs on steel (liberal), he spent billions on aids relief in Africa (liberal) and he's hired more minorities and women for more positions of true power than any President in history (not liberal but perceived to be so). While some may disagree with the war in Iraq, it is undeniable that the result so far has been the liberation of 25 million Iraqis from the oppression of a truly evil dictator and substantial movement of that country towards a much freer and more representative form of government (there is still a long way to go obviously but the movement is definitely in the right direction.).

I could rant on but I think I've made the point sufficiently that Bush isn't deserving of the demonization that he has received by the left (by the right, maybe), which brings me back to the original point. The leadership of the left is not so much liberal as they are power hungry so equating liberals in general with the liberal leadership is unfair and inaccurate. The liberal rank and file may be wrong or misguided but they have the best interest of the people at heart. The liberal leadership on the other hand, needs to be replaced.

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