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Date Posted: 6/12/09 11:25:52pm
Author: Sarah Hughes
Subject: Re: Scapegoat
In reply to: Sarah Hughes 's message, "Scapegoat" on 6/12/09 11:13:17pm

>>It is in the nature of the JA to like simplistic,
>>easily pigeonholed concepts, so naturally you will
>>find the convolutions of criticism of the JA complex.
>>You are over-looking the fact that people out here in
>>the world do not all think the same....so here you
>>have a montage of different views about the
>fellowship.
>>
>>One thing I would say is that I have never said that
>>people in the JA are brainwashed. I actually don't
>>think there is any such thing. In my view the concept
>>is a way for weak willed people to abdicate
>>responsibility for having made a decision which they
>>later feel embarrassed about. I was responsible for
>>joining the fellowship - and for deciding to leave it.
>>I do think people are indoctrinated, but that is
>>different. I also think that people are put under
>>pressure and that, more significantly, they contort
>>their own thinking in order to accommodate the will of
>>the brethren. But it is still all about individual
>>responsiblity.
>>
>>I don't think you are brainwashed, Sarah, but your
>>assertions that you were not someone who could be
>>bullied, and that you were utterly determined in your
>>course, when we talked about starting the "dialogue"
>>forum, were belied by your subsequent statements about
>>your neglect of your duties as a mother in community
>>the week following the Dialogue's launch.....so that
>>all of a sudden you wouldn't be able to be involved.
>>
>>It was a very public about-turn....and a perfect
>>illustration of the influence that the brethren have
>>over you. The fact that you also went from sending
>>really sweet emails and texts (in which we shared a
>>common hope and vision)....to now seemingly coming on
>>here only to be unpleasant about me and my "followers"
>>etc indicates a need in you to demonstrate to the
>>church that you are still loyal and veryt definitely
>>not under my control. In fact, where's that very
>>interesting posting where you actually talk about how
>>you decided to not be involved in the dialogue because
>>the brethren had told you that you must not be
>>controlled by me?
>>
>>I firmly believe that it won't be long before the same
>>people who persuaded all JAs not to get involved in
>>the Dialogue, in the hope that it would die a death,
>>will recognise the damage you are doing to the
>>church's rep by coming on sounding very unchristian,
>>will silence you. You will leave with a parting shot
>>across the bows about how you have something much more
>>important to do.....(and people will wonder how you
>>had so much time to waste here in the first place,
>>which John will rightly explain away as the time that
>>less committed style 1s always have)
>>
>>As long as you are here telling us how very hillarious
>>we all are (while assiduously avoiding being drawn
>>into the sort of intelligent discussion you wouldn't
>>be able to handle and John Campbell wouldn't be able
>>to censor) you show the JA as it is, and that in
>>itself can't be bad.
>>
>>But the point John is making is that your role could
>>only be performed here by someone who isn't in
>>community...who isn't really in central zion, not
>>fully committed. The thing is that only fringe members
>>have ever really been free to defend the JA online,
>>because John C has always had the sense to know that
>>the best way to stop a story is not to respond to it.
>>
>>So don't stop coming to laugh at us. The joke is on
>>the JA in the long run ;)
>
>Haven't spoken to John in years! Don't know if he
>reads my input, but bring up the post when i say i was
>controlled.. would love to see it... You slag the
>church but haven't returned in years, and you don't
>dare confront who supposedly hurt you face to face. If
>you really had an issue you would turn up Sunday night
>at Jesus Centre and have it out... but you know deep
>down you can't do that cause John didn't actually hurt
>you did he? He's just a scapegoat for your bitter
>rants... and all who hurt you, as i've told you before
>have left.. find them and bring your vengeance.. stop
>using the church as an excuse for your screwed up
>life. Crap happens, in all walks of life, most people
>get over it.. you are the exception that spends 20
>years wasting your life, and your missus, harping over
>lost love. Fly, teach, and be eaten by worms at the
>end... No God apparently.. and see this as a few
>wasted years..YOU don't have to answer to anyone... Or
>do you?

P.s Show me intellectual conversation... Can anyone else find it?? Or prove me right, that Pete controls this forum...

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