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Date Posted: 00:19:22 05/21/03 Wed
Author: Hendrik - 11 Apr 2003
Subject: Re: No more Kriya conversations
In reply to: Carris - 10 Apr 2003 's message, "Re: No more Kriya conversations" on 00:18:09 05/21/03 Wed

You are becoming personal again. All what I wrote was quite sensible. I am sorry if I am wasting your time. Otherwise read it again.

How many times have you met his son and how well do you know him to judge his degree of involvment in Kriya.

I saw Ujjwal once but it was Shibendu himself who spoke about his son and I only repeated what he said. Shibendu is of course proud that his son is now deep into business life (like he himself was) and a family man (which means that tradition will be continued). He hopes that sometime his son will get the taste and 'get into this' (interest in yoga) although there are apparently no definite signs yet. I think Ujjwal started Kriya sometime around 1990 at age 18 or so. He is of my age, and Shibendu same as old as my father.

Ujjwal looks a bit like Lahiri Mahasaya on the pencil sketch that shows him as a young man. So maybe there is hope.

When I wrote the first message I did not know that he is already appointed as successor. Now I recall that k told me about this years ago, but I must have forgotten about it. But it makes no difference. If Ujjwal takes over the whole thing will go on for two or three more generations (according to Indian tradition it lasts for c. 7 generations) until only one or two Kriyas are left and experience of Kutashta will be the prime objective of Lahiri Lore.


The teachings are passed from one person to another on different levels, and the divine will work through the chosen or appointed person. Read about Ramakrishna passing his power to Vivekananda for an excellent example of this proccess.

The Divine also subjects itself to the historical process, otherwise spiritual lineages would remain always as powerful as in the beginning. In reality it slowly trickles out even if there is a continuous line of successors.

Vivekananda was not an average man born into a family but according to Ramakrishna a luminous sage, a jivanmukti whom he dragged drown into life in a dream around the time he was born. He had only two disciples of that class. Vivekananda became the most influential teacher of his time although he did not pursue any Sadhana proper and did not care about his spiritual state. He had an invincible mind and was a great orator.

Do you know of Shibendu dreaming of a divine being and trying to drag him down? Perhaps the Godhead came down in the wrong country because I was born around the same time as Ujjwal :-)

Ramakrishna is considered a divine incarnation in India, the Christ of India. Shibendu is just an accomplished yogacharya. I do not know whether he has the occult knowledge to transmit power after his own passing - I am sure that is no easy feat...and who knows whether the Divine has chosen to give it to Ujjwal and not to someone else after all! :-)

If you continue to produce any more mystic stuff and belief-system, I will dig in my archives and flood the board with occult Mother quotes :-)

Apart from this, other than Shibendu's son, Vivekananda was a second-generation disciple who had direct contact with Ramakrishna, the founder of that tradition.

A tradition that keeps among itself and does not receive new impulses sooner or later dries out and dies. It is the same with everything including families of artists, civilisations etc. In the case of the Bach family it was all over two generations after the great climax. But if Shibendu's son should introduce another Krishnamurti into the teaching this will no doubt shorten the life-span of Dynastic Kriya for at least two generations :-)

Hendrik

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  • Re: No more Kriya conversations -- Hendrik - 12 Apr 2003, 00:20:09 05/21/03 Wed
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