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] Date Posted: 23:42:02 10/31/04 Sun In reply to: Jim (Canada) 's message, "Questions to the Scots here" on 22:01:35 10/21/04 Thu Amen to that Jim! As a Brit, I have never understood why after all this time, there is still that love/hate relationship amongst the home nations! Oh please! We should really get on and start admitting that we like each other! If Scotland was to gain its 'independence' tomorrow, it would be the end of Britain as we know it- the armed forces' prestige, the monarchy and other vital things would have their days numbered! I think we should use the coming 300th anniversary of the Act of Union in 2007 to plan a HUGE celebration, bigger than the 2002 Golden Jubilee to show the world, but more importantly, OURSELVES, that together we are much stronger. Remember.....WITHOUT SCOTLAND, ENGLAND IS NOTHING, AN WITHOUT ENGLAND, SCOTLAND IS NOTHING! [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
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Author: Jim (Canada) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 03:53:11 11/01/04 Mon I think that we need to bury these silly old hatreds amongst the English/Scots/Welsh and Irish and we also need to bury hatreds towards immigrants and non-white citizens. In addition to getting rid of the hatreds amongst the home countries and building a new respect, I would include black and Asian Brits in that new respect. Any form of those outdated hatreds is a form of racism. This needs to stop and we need to embrace all people. English, Scots, Welsh, Irish, Caribbean, Asian, African - they are all British and should learn from each other. This needs to happen before Canadians, Australians and New Zealanders should join in. We are all human beings with the same red blood in our veins and the same sensitivities in our hearts. I may live in Canada, but I made an effort recently to learn to play cricket and to cook Tandoori chicken! (absolutely delicious). Thanks G. Singh! [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Owain (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 11:39:18 11/01/04 Mon We need to go beyond simple recognition of the contrabution made by each nation of the union to this land. We need intergration of the four nations to the extent that we had pre-1998 and perhaps a little further in certain areas. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: I'm not sure why you are so anti-decentralisation, Owain | |
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Author: Ian (Australia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 12:59:37 11/01/04 Mon After all, we are the FEDERAL Commonwealth Society, not the Centralised Commonwealth Society. If the impulse is towards greater centralisation, then you can kiss goodbye any interest from Australians, Canadians and New Zealanders. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Owain (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 22:13:01 11/01/04 Mon I was talking about tehe UK alone, not the federal commonwealth. Sure I undertand that a united commonwealth would be federal, but I don live in a united commonwealth, I live in the UK which i fervantly believe shoudl be centralised. Ideologically I am a centralist, pure and simple and that isnt going to change until I believe the FC might actualy come to be. Currently I live in the rpeumption that I will die in the UK and fear that I will die in the Republic of Wales. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Jim (Canada) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:05:14 11/02/04 Tue Later this week, I will be changing the maps on the Commonwealth History page on the FCS Canada web site. I will be removing the animated maps because they go too quickly. I will be replacing them with still maps of various stages of Empire development and compared to other empires from 1650 to 1943. Then I will have the modern maps of the Commonwealth and the proposed Federation further down. I have decided that it's time for a bit of British Isles education. I will put together historical maps showing the gradual unification of the British Isles from before 1066 to 1801 along with the maps of the development of the empire. Someone said earlier that I showed the proposed Federation in a 'sickly green'. How about if I changed it to gold? What are people's thoughts on this before I make these changes? [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Owain (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 19:50:32 11/02/04 Tue It was I who said it was sickly green, but really it wasnt all that bad, its just that I missed the good old scarlet. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Paddy (Scotland) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 20:22:55 11/02/04 Tue I think that the green map is appropriate in it's context, to emphasise a new phase. I would not like to see the other maps changed from red. The idea of a U.K. history is a very sensible one as the current inter-dominion/U.K. are now of the same status as Scotland/England from 1603-1707. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ben.M(UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 22:21:01 11/01/04 Mon This may shock you Owain but you seem to have a longing for a UK as centralised as France! [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (Venezia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 12:26:21 11/02/04 Tue It's not a centralised UK per se that I want; but I am appalled by the concept of a regionalised England. England has been a united political, cultural and economic unit for longer than any other nation on Earth except for Japan and a few of the smaller island nations. 1300 years ago the seven kingdoms were united into England, and both the EU (in the form of John Prescott's NE Assembly proposal) and the FC will find it very hard to override the psychological imperative amongst the English for England to be England. Wales was joined to England by conquest; Scotland and Ireland for political convenience which became a habit; Australia and Canada have been run federally since they were created by Acts of Parliament; and so it is not quite such a large step for any of these 'regions within the british world' to continue to be run as regions (in the case of Autralia and Canada) or become more autonomous 'regions within the british world' (in the case of Scotland and Wales). But England is a different matter. Any attempt to tear up such an ancient country for reasons of numerical fairness in voting (i.e. so that England's bloc of votes couldn't outvote the rest of the FC put together) will encounter serious resistance. Even I feel that it would be a backwards step of 1300 years, and feel the psychological wrench when I think of England ceasing to be... and I'm a smelly colonial! [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Paddy (Smelly Blue-bottomed Scotsman) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 20:25:18 11/02/04 Tue I agree that England should not be obliged to break up. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Owain (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 12:28:45 11/02/04 Tue No Ben I merely want the UK as centralised as it was pre-1998. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |