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Subject: Yep


Author:
Dave (UK)
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Date Posted: 20:48:30 11/04/04 Thu
In reply to: Ian (Australia) 's message, "My views (which no one asked for)..." on 20:28:19 11/04/04 Thu

Good old Ozzy common sense!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: What if their talents are mugging old ladies? :P


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Roberdin
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Date Posted: 21:35:44 11/04/04 Thu


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: an argument could be made for restricting the definition of "talents" to exclude such possibilities...


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Ian
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Date Posted: 22:59:37 11/04/04 Thu


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Talents...


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Ed Harris (Venezia)
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Date Posted: 23:07:05 11/04/04 Thu

No-one in my family has shown any talent for anything except sleeping and eating for 160 years...My brother 'phoned me up at lunchtime today, and opened the conversation with the words, "Ah, it's not too early for you, is it, old boy?"

Do you think that we could arrange society so as to maximise the usefulness and recognition of our rare gifts for sloth and gluttony?

But anyway, let us follow Hobbes and define liberty as the freedom to do as one pleases, up to the point where that freedom starts to interfere with other people's liberty. Mutual self-restraint, based on mutual self-interest: I don't want to be mugged, so I agree not to excercise my physical ability to mug other people.

I don't think that mugging old ladies is much of a philosophical problem in a society whose laws are based on these laudable principles.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Actually...


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Roberdin
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Date Posted: 23:23:17 11/04/04 Thu

I tend to sleep in until Lunchtime when possible. My conclusion for this is that I'd rather see the morning begin (ie, at 00:00), than end (at 11:59:59) :-P

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: ..Indeed...


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Ed Harris (Venezia)
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Date Posted: 23:25:46 11/04/04 Thu

You're in good company. The philosopher Descartes boasted that he never got out of bed before mid-day. This was apparently true even when he was living in a disused oven in emulation of Diogenes' barrel.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: "...sleeping and eating for 160 years..."


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Ian (Porto Alegre)
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Date Posted: 23:49:28 11/04/04 Thu

Now if you had said "eating and sleeping for 160 years" I could have said something witty. Damn.

As far as Hobbes and liberty, yes, I think he got it right. "Mutual self-restraint, based on mutual self-interest" is as good a definition of society as I can think of.

Giving everyone a decent education should produce a cleverer society, because you get more people sufficiently trained to be capable of coming up with bright ideas, so it is also self-interest on the part of the society as a whole, if we can abstract that far.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: ?


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Ed Harris (Venezia)
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Date Posted: 23:52:47 11/04/04 Thu

And what would have been the witty comment?

And, by the way, you seem to be moving around rather a lot!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: But...


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Ed Harris (Venezia)
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Date Posted: 00:47:34 11/05/04 Fri

Having said that, I can't argue with your choice of location... Rio Grande do Sul, Gauchos, churrasco, all that stuff. Top hole.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: moving, sleeping, eating, etc


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Ian (southern hemisphere)
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Date Posted: 01:38:53 11/05/04 Fri

Well, actually I live in Porto Alegre and have done for ages, but I normally identify myself as "Ian (Australia)" to indicate what my perspective on Commonwealth things is. Have you been to Rio Grande do Sul?

After eating an enormous churrasco, sleeping for 160 years is quite a reasonable thing to do. This Sunday a good friend of mine will be having a 40th birthday churrasco, so my intestines will have a rough start to the week.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Nah


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Ed Harris (Venezia)
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Date Posted: 14:55:42 11/05/04 Fri

Never been to Brazil... am attempting to avoid being inhaled by alligators, shot full of poisoned darts, kidnapped by communists etc.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Also...


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Ed Harris (Venezia)
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Date Posted: 15:56:50 11/05/04 Fri

Also, having sweated away like a slave in an attempt to learn Castellano Spanish, I'm damned if I'm learning Portuguese! I'd keep getting confused and start to think that I was speaking Croatian or something... weird-sounding language.

On the other hand, I met some extremely pretty Brazilian girls when I was in India... perhaps there's something in it after all...

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Well,


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Dave (UK)
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Date Posted: 15:59:13 11/05/04 Fri

On the other hand, I met some extremely pretty Brazilian girls when I was in India... perhaps there's something in it after all...


You are in Italy though - bella bella and all that...

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