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Subject: A suggestion


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Kofi
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Date Posted: 18:34:01 12/04/04 Sat
In reply to: Ian (Australia) 's message, "With all this current talk of expanding the UN Security Council..." on 18:10:43 12/04/04 Sat

I'd like to put China at the top of the list, personally. Inhumane regime that doesn't even get recognised as such any more, because trade is more important than human rights or democracy. Seriously - Burma, North Korea, Iran and Zimbabwe all at least have to deal with economic sanctions: they are seen as "bad" even if we do not intervene with troops. Why not China? Or Pakistan, for that matter? Or even (shock horror) America's best friend - Saudi Arabia? I'd agree with Ian here: what we need is some kind of "Union of Democratic Nations" to further the interests of the free world. It would bar the memberships of China, Russia, Pakistan, all of the Arab states except maybe Lebanon and Iraq (and I have my doubts about Allawi's democratic credentials, in truth), Zimbabwe, North Korea and so on... The Security Council members could be the USA, the FC (if it ever comes to pass, and if not then the UK could have its seat), Brazil, India, Japan, France and Germany. Maybe Nigeria and South Africa as well. Even Indonesia, come to think of it.

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Paddy (Scotland)
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Date Posted: 20:10:07 12/04/04 Sat

that in the Security Council the vote of Libya counts as much as that of Germany. The structure is completely outdated and based on a set of principles incompatible with many nation's internal politics.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: why Brazil and Indonesia?


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Frank (US)
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Date Posted: 04:52:46 12/05/04 Sun

I agree that the security council needs restructuring...but I dont know but y would u suggest Brazil and Indonesia get a permanent seat? I mean they're really not as significant as Germany and Japan...

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Brazil and Indonesia are regionally significant, but...


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Ian (Australia)
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Date Posted: 15:49:02 12/05/04 Sun

... having lived in one and visited the other, I don't see them as members of this group. Indonesia, because I have yet to see much evidence of their being champions of freedom and justice, and Brazil because they don't have either the muscle or the willpower to do anything about them.

Brazil sent peacekeeping troops to Haiti, but only after they convinced the USA to pay for the mission. They also started crying and asking to come home when they discovered that there was the possibility of being shot at.

They did, however, put on a goodwill soccer game, which did much to establish the rule of law in one of the poorest, most violent countries in the Americas.

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