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Matt
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Date Posted: 04:15:44 06/05/06 Mon
In reply to:
Matt
's message, "Re: stirling on upper commons in the peak district" on 00:26:55 05/20/06 Sat
Just to follow up on the subject of what happens to wreckage removed from crash sites by "recovery groups",why is it when I contact one of the few BAAC groups who have any kind of display to ask them if parts from a specific site are displayed they either cannot tell me,or claim to have never had anything from that site! take for instance the "Warplane Wreck Investigation Group" at Fort Perch,New Brighton. I have the reports published by this group in the 1970's and 80's yet most of the wreckage they removed from sites is not displayed in their "museum".I went there several years ago and at that time they had an engine from the Heinkel HE111 which crashed on Llwydmor,the tail from Skytrain 43-48473,an engine from Lightning 44-24229 and many smaller parts,yet when I visited again last year the engine from the Heinkel had gone and the room which contained the Skytrain tail and Lightning engine was closed off to the public. I telephoned them after my visit to ask where the Heinkel engine was and they could not,or would not,tell me.
On both times I visited I took photographs,dispite there being several notices stating that "Photography of the displays is not allowed",why not? is it in case someone takes pictures of something the group are not supposed to have I wonder?
I'm sure the BAAC are only too aware of what it's groups get up to,so why don't they take action to keep their shop in order? a start would be for each group to provide a list of what exactly they have from each site,at least then genuine historians can find out where parts from a specific site have gone,rather than them just vanishing as happens now.
Matt.
>Hi Dave,
>
>I have been monitoring crash sites in North and Mid
>Wales for a number of years and it has become obvious
>that the greatest threat to wreckage comes from
>"recovery groups" and not from the weather or casual
>passers by. I will cite some examples...
>
>Boston Z2186 crashed on Carnedd Dafydd. it was the
>most complete high ground crash site in North Wales
>untill "The Boston Havoc Preservation Trust"(who were
>BAAC members) came along in the 1980's and 90's and
>cleared the site.they sold one outer wing section for
>scrap straight away and later broke up the engines.
>they have since sold the remaining wreckage and it is
>now for sale again.
>
>F5-E Lightning 44-24229 crashed on Plynlimon. many
>recovery groups have looted the site including "The
>Wartime Aircraft Recovery Group"(who are BAAC
>members)who removed the tail section,one outer wing
>section,one main undercarriage leg and numerous
>smaller parts. they have since scrapped the wing
>section and tail section and claim that the U/C leg is
>"in storage".
>
>These are just two examples of parts being removed
>from sites by recovery groups and within a short space
>of time being destroyed,I have details of many more
>including two cases of BAAC groups digging a site and
>finding human remains but reburying them without
>informing anyone.
>
>Another question I have is this,where has all the
>wreckage removed from sites by groups gone? the BAAC
>have no central list of what is held by their member
>groups,and neither it seems do the groups
>themselves.my question is why is it better to remove
>wreckage from sites "for preservation" when no one can
>see it or even knows where it has gone?.
>
>Matt.
>
>>Hi Ian & Matt,
>>
>>I appreciate you feeling strongly about the removal of
>>such relics, but have to say that left in its present
>>state open to the elements, much of the wreckage is
>>deteriorating fast and soon there will be nothing left
>>to view but crumbling dust from alloy panels & rusted
>>spars, I do understand your feelings,and take your
>>point about items being sold for scrap which I totally
>>disagree with. however, items recovered with good
>>intentions for museums are in my opinion justified,
>>take the example Halifax `Friday the 13th` at
>>Elvington, and the `Albacore` in the Fleet Air Arm
>>Museum at Yeovil, without the parts recovered from
>>wrecks then these fine examples would not today exist
>>for future generations.
>>
>>In the case of the Stirling, This project has been
>>ongoing for 20 + years and if you care to visit the
>>website on the link below you will see that they are
>>making good use of the parts recovered, and as you
>>well know, no Storling exists anywhere in the world
>>today, So I believe their cause is a worthy one.
>>
>>My website, My forum, so I just thought I would air my
>>views on the subject, in that I do agree with some
>>recoveries, though not with those without just cause.
>>
>>Regards.
>>Dave.
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