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Subject: Re: Vpechatleniya ot Northern Ireland

Author: Ercaidh

[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: Tue, Nov 12 2002, 10:32:10 In reply to: Âàëüêèðà 's message, "Re: Vpechatleniya ot Northern Ireland" on Tue, Nov 12 2002, 5:01:49 >ïðîñòî îñòàëüíûì (îáûâàòåëÿì) åñòü ÷òî òåðÿòü... A kakova, po-vashemu, dolzhna byit' psihologiya "pravil'nogo irlandsa"? Voyna do pobedi? V svoe vremya podobnaya diskussiya i do grazhdanskoy voyni doshla, vrode kak (hotya, konechno, tal slozhnee delo obstoyalo)... Odnako, IMHO, ne stal bi ya odnoznachno vseh storonnikov mirnogo resheniya krizisa zanosit' v "obivateli"... > íå âñå òàê ïðîñòî è îäíîçíà÷íî Prosto takovo mnenie "obivateley", ili, grubo govorya, teh, kto ustal ot vseh etih "troubles" i ne hotel bi zhit' v postoyannom strahe :(( >1 - òû íå ñ òåìè ëþäüìè ãîâîðèë :)) Razgovori eti bili na mitinge Sinn Fein (Dublin Branch) opposite to Central Post Office v znak protesta protiv obiska ih office v Stormont'e (s mesyats nazad). >2 - ïîõîæ áûë íà áðèòàíñêîãî àãåíòà :)) Pozhaluy. Vspominayu zabavniy epizod: kogda ya v perviy raz priehal v Belfast i bistrim shagom napravilsya k Rath Cormaic, parallel'no mne s odinakovoy so mnoy skorost'yu po doroge ehal mestniy armoured car - v techenie POLUCHASA ! >_ñîâñåì_ íå ïîëüçóþòñÿ ïîääåðæêîé íàñåëåíèÿ... Pol'zuyutsa, konechno. V kvartalah bednoti ili sredi "crispy boys", kotorim, veroyatno, na politiku ne naplevat' - osobenno, kogda mozhno vvolyu ottyanutsa i pobuyanit'. Tol'ko interesno, pochemu imenno sredi nih..? >ïðîñòî "ìàëåíüêèå ëþäè", êîòîðûì ïëåâàòü è íà >ïîëèòèêó, è íà âñå ýòî, îíè íå õîòÿò ñðàæåíèé è áó÷. A "bol'shoy chelovek" - ento kto? P'yaniy gromila s gorodskih okrain? Ili vospitanniy na stihah Yates'a i rechah Parnella revolutsioner-romantik, tol'ko i mechtayushiy o tom, chtobi umeret' za Irlandiyu? No prostite, pochemu pervie vstrechayutsa na kazhdom shagu, a vtorie pri odnom vide russkogo kel'tologa srazhu zhe prevrashayutsa v "obivateley"?! Ili oni vse davno ushli v podpol'ye? >òàê îíè óñòðîåíû, ïêà ñ ýòèì íè÷åãî íå ïîäåëàåøü... Opyat'-taki, a kak dolzhen bit' ustroen ideal'niy irlandets? Ya tut, vspomnilos', vchera razgovarival s odnim mestnim'(rodom iz Mullingar'a), kotoriy mne po etomu povodu skazal primerno sleduyushee (uproshenniy perevod): "Problema v tom, chto mnogie dumayut, chto podderzhka natsional'noy kul'turi - eto obyazatel'no natsionalizm, i dazhe chto natsionalizm - eto obyazatel'no I.R.A., 'no surrender!' i Ireland from shore to shore.. Tak dumaet bol'shinstvo inostrantsev, a vsled za nimi poroy i mi sami - mozhet, imenno v etom prichina upadka nashey traditsionnoy kul'turi." íèêàêîé ãðàæäàíñêîé ïîçèöèè (ïðîøó ïðîøåíèÿ çà ðóãàòåëüñòâî :)) Nu pochemu zhe... ne hotite zhe vi skazat', chto otsutstvie simpatiy k CIRA/RIRA/Sinn Fein avtomaticheski podrazumevaet otsutstvie grazhdanskoy pozitsii? IMHO, poroy eto tozhe pozitsiya... kotoruyu inogda bivaet oh kak slozhno otstaivat'. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]