| Subject: Philosophical Discussion (progression of the J/7 relationship) |
Author:
LZ
|
[
Next Thread |
Previous Thread |
Next Message |
Previous Message
]
Date Posted: 05:20:16 04/12/03 Sat
Well, this is a long post, and I posted it to an email group already once, but I'm curious what everyone here's input would be on the topic. If you look at Seasons 4-7 episodes as an on-again/off-again together/breakup pattern for Janeway and Seven, where would the relationship have been strong (physical, intimate) and where would it have broken down, even led to them trying to keep apart, only to be drawn back together.
I went through all the episodes and came up with these thoughts. I'd love to hear anyone else's impressions:
All through 4th season, I don't see a physical relationship beginning, BUT awareness, intensity, a desire to understand each other... yep.
Scorpion
The Gift
Day of Honor
Nemesis
Revulsion
The Raven - inviting Seven into her holoprogram in hopes of awaking emotion... goes a little awry.
Scientific Method - Seven's awareness of Janeway being human and capable of being in pain, bringing her "down" from the "Captain" pedestal, at least a little.
Year of Hell - out of time anomaly still showed a union of purpose coming together
Random Thoughts - disagreements can still happen
Concerning Flight
Mortal Coil - Seven's desire to please/help Janeway begin extending to her crew -- saving Neelix's life first.
Waking Moments
Message in a Bottle - The obnoxious Hirogen was going against her captain's wishes, so Seven "zapped" him one.
Hunters - Seven at the hands of the Hunters; Janeway's protectiveness grows.
Prey - A BIG fight!
Retrospect - Janeway tries to make it up to Seven, offering her every support in the face of her accusations against Kovin.
The Killing Game - "Don't you dare kill my girl" insistence from the restored-memory Janeway to the still-repressed Tuvok.
Vis a Vis
The Omega Directive - Working together can be delightfully energizing, frustrating, and enlightening.
Unforgettable
Living Witness
Demon
One - Giving Seven "command" of Voyager during the nebula crossing. "I *can* do it." Each wants the other to believe in her, and herself.
Hope and Fear - Velocity matches have become a regular way to work off their growing physical frustrations, as the attraction grows but neither knows, Seven for innocence reasons, and Janeway for rank reasons, what to *do* about it.
Night - Janeway's self-imposed seclusion frustrates Seven who jumps eagerly at a chance to see her, only to have Chakotay shoot it down. Janeway's seclusion has all sorts of psychological reasons, her stranding Voyager, what is her responsibility/what isn't, what can she have/not have, what can she give/not give... etc. And she plows to the rescue as only she can.
Drone - Say the physical relationship starts after "Drone" (Janeway's comfort of Seven after One's death leads to an admission of their feelings for one another). "Why haven't you said anything?" leads to discussion of their perspectives in all previous episodes.
Extreme Risk
In the Flesh
Once Upon a Time
Timeless
Infinite Regress
Nothing Human
Thirty Days
Counterpoint - Janeway's "playing" with Kashyk is misunderstood by Seven and Seven breaks it off; while Janeway's busy though she can't correct the misperception.
Latent Image - Still wary of Janeway's motives, Seven has returned to the Cargo Bay. The "philosophical discussion" Janeway, at first thinks, might be Seven asking to come back. She's having trouble sleeping after all, and thinks perhaps Seven is too, for the same reason -- they don't like sleeping alone.
Relationship repaired after Janeway took much of Seven's advice and Seven watched Janeway's self-sacrifice to tend to the Doctor through a good portion of his recovery. I kinda like the idea that Janeway left the Doctor and returned to her quarters to sleep, to find Seven there, enticingly delectable, and Janeway collapsing exhausted, but Seven watching over her protectively, and they make love in the morning when she awakens more refreshed.
Bride of Chaotica! - Playfulness between them suggests the relationship is more even keel once again.
Gravity
Bliss - Mind warped by the alien entity, Janeway's behavior is still pretty mean. And they have a lovely "making up" session after she's come back to her senses as a way to apologize to Seven.
Dark Frontier - Still keenly aware that Janeway wants to get home more than anything, and knowing that Voyager can't proceed if the Borg attack them, Seven returns to the Borg, thinking that since she and Janeway won't see eye to eye about going back to Earth, she might as well protect Janeway while returning at least to something she can understand.
But by the end, Seven's surprised to discover Janeway won't let her go. Whether they agree on the outcome together, Janeway is not willing to finish this journey without Seven.
The Disease
Course: Oblivion
The Fight
Think Tank - Janeway clearly doesn't want Seven to go for personal reasons, but she has learned enough about Seven's need to make some of her own decisions and how bad it is to try and work without being partnered in all knowledge, she tells Seven she can choose. Seven's interest is clearly intellectual. And her survey of the interspatial ship more academic than emotional. Her decision to stay is just as much a reaction to the aliens' duplicity as it is an emotional decision, again, despite things not being perfect for her and Janeway, at least they are together doing it.
Juggernaut
Someone to Watch Over Me - Until now the relationship has been physical only. Perhaps this seemingly anomalous episode is really Janeway asking Seven about changing to a full *romance*. But Seven doesn't really comprehend what that means so she goes about trying to figure it out. Her conclusion (apres episode) is to tell Janeway that she doesn't understand how giving/getting flowers, dancing, and all these other "rituals" are more expressive of her love than their being supportive, teamed in their goals, and physically intimate. The discussion leads to cuddling, and Janeway and Seven decide to "come out", opening the captain's quarters to an even more complete blending with the crew: socialization... leading to the discussions that awaken family myths in
11:59
Relativity - Seven's recruitment by Braxton and the time ship crew clearly on several occasions she tries to get them to give Janeway a chance to help herself -- knowing Janeway's need for it when it comes down to guiding her own fate.
Warhead
Equinox - Janeway races to get her partner back from the Equinox Captain.
Survival Instinct
Barge of the Dead
Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy - Seven isn't fazed by the Doctor's enamor of her, but Janeway's clearly jealous.
Alice
Riddles
Dragon's Teeth - Janeway's desire to let Seven explore her instinct is clearly the catalyst for the whole thing... waking up the sleeping warrior race.
One Small Step - Seven begins to understand a little of Janeway's personal desires for her to expand her Human are all about connecting emotionally with people and events. So Seven begins trying to explore ALL the events that make up Janeway's history, both before Voyager and during the years she, Seven, was not aboard Voyager, leading to the experiment with Borg data nodes in...
The Voyager Conspiracy - Mental breakdown by Seven leads to a marriage proposal.
Pathfinder - Seven's fear of getting home posed by contact with the Pathfinder project leads her to break it off with Janeway yet again. And a very frustrated Janeway heads to the holodeck for a little physical love.
Fair Haven - aka "When your real love don' love you no more..." Seven is jealous and devasted leading to the women's longest relationship separation, even a period of avoidance...
Blink of an Eye
Virtuoso
Memorial
Tsunkatse - Janeway's rush to rescue Seven reveals the repressed feelings are still there.
Collective - Janeway, desperate to prove to Seven that she wants what the young woman wants, however has quite a test (and fails) in the dealing with the Borg children.
Spirit Folk - In the end, Janeway breaks it off with Michael because she needs the reality of the push-pull with Seven, not some "perfect" fantasy. But Seven is still aloof.
Ashes to Ashes - Janeway, hoping to make Seven jealous, asks the returned crewwoman to her quarters for dinner. It works. Afterward, Seven expresses her jealousy and Janeway and she clear the air about a lot of their individual problems about being apart so long.
Child's Play - And as partners they argue about Icheb's situation.
Good Shepherd - Janeway, doubting her maternal instinct after Seven's successful 'read' of the situation with Icheb, wants to be sure she's still a good leader, a good person. When she returns, feeling better, she and Seven resume their relationship in earnest.
Live Fast and Prosper
Muse
Fury
Life Line
The Haunting of Deck Twelve
Unimatrix Zero - Janeway discovers she's jealous of Axum. "I wasn't Seven's first," leads to yet another break in their relationship.
Imperfection - Seven's distance from Janeway has her being particularly harsh with herself and her failures, seeing Janeway's pulling away as her fault. Janeway's admission during the episode though, and a successful resolution to her medical fault, and the two women tentatively return to one another's arms.
Drive
Repression
Critical Care
Inside Man
Body and Soul
Nightingale
Flesh and Blood
Shattered
Lineage
Repentance
Prophecy
The Void
Workforce - Janeway's mental block and relationship with Jaffen makes Seven jealous.
Human Error - Seven wonders if multiple relationships are important and explores one with the only other person she can think of, on the holodeck, but knowing about jealousy, she hides it from Janeway, causing a breach in their relationship / AGAIN
Q2
Author, Author
Friendship One
Natural Law - Chakotay found out about the holodeck stuff from "Human Error" and thinks he has a perfect opportunity to step in on Seven. She's still pining for Janeway though, and resists with ice.
Homestead
Renaissance Man
Endgame - Realizing she lost her chance with Seven over stupid stuff, Adm. Janeway goes back in time to fix it. Telling Seven that real life is better than some fantasy life, and she DOES love her. Seven reconciles that with what Chakotay is offering, and what the present-time Janeway is agonizing over and she's waiting for Janeway in her quarters, not Chakotay in his, when the two officers return to Deck 3 to pack for home.
How's that sound?
---
Lara Z aka LZClotho
lzclotho@cfl.rr.com
http://www.lzclotho.net
Yahoo: LZClotho
AIM: LZClotho1
ICQ: 13129784
[
Next Thread |
Previous Thread |
Next Message |
Previous Message
]
| |
Feedback: 
